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Post by georgiagoalie on Jul 31, 2018 11:00:03 GMT -5
Who here is familiar with ECNL Discovery players and how often it occurs? Evidently ECNL "Discovery players" are players from a separate club who does not have ECNL that essentially plays on an ECNL team and plays at a different club for a Georgia Soccer affiliated team.
How often does this occur and is this allowed in reverse? Can an ECNL player at one club play for a rival club since they technically are not player for a Georgia Soccer team with their ECNL club?
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 31, 2018 11:20:48 GMT -5
I first heard about this recently. Two girls from a non-ecnl club are supposed to be discovery players for a totally unrelated club.
It seems to violate the recruiting rules, and just seems sketchy in general. Why can they do this for ecnl, but we can't just have a random da/npl/athena player fo play for a second club?
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Post by USoCcer on Jul 31, 2018 11:26:39 GMT -5
You are correct. It does happen often. In the instances I am aware of it's used as a tool to keep the decent players at the non-ECNL club. The non-ENCL club isn't able to offer the same quality, so to keep the good players there, they offer them ECNL DP spots at a club in a different state.
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Post by georgiagoalie on Jul 31, 2018 11:29:44 GMT -5
You are correct. It does happen often. In the instances I am aware of it's used as a tool to keep the decent players at the non-ECNL club. The non-ENCL club isn't able to offer the same quality, so to keep the good players there, they offer them ECNL DP spots at a club in a different state. I'm talking about players in the same state not different states. ECNL 'DP' players on an ECNL Georgia team playing for another Georgia soccer club on a Georgia soccer affiliated team. again: does this happen often? and can ecnl players in Georgia play for another Georgia club at a lower level that doesn't have ECNL?
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Post by ihave3girlz on Jul 31, 2018 11:53:51 GMT -5
ECNL and NPL are US Club Soccer and everything else (other than DA and those players are prohibited from playing anything other than DA) is USYS under GA soccer. If a coach is fine with his or her player playing at their own club that does not have ECNL and also playing as a DP at a club that does have ECNL then that is up to the coaches, I’m not aware of a rule that prohibits it. It is good for players at smaller clubs who would not otherwise have an ECNL opportunity. They don’t have to drive farther to train etc but still get ECNL exposure and can then maybe decide to go all in the next year. It is about player development and doing what’s best for each kid. Hats off to any coach who unselfishly allows a player to do this...that’s the true meaning of kids first.
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Post by ihave3girlz on Jul 31, 2018 11:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by georgiagoalie on Jul 31, 2018 12:02:58 GMT -5
the question is can an ECNL player do the reverse and play for another club on a Georgia soccer team, like Athena A or National League?
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Post by ihave3girlz on Jul 31, 2018 12:15:26 GMT -5
IDK for sure but I think yes. They can guest play where they want.
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Post by georgiagoalie on Jul 31, 2018 13:09:11 GMT -5
I find this interesting because the whole ECNL conundrum to me goes against the spirit of competition and fairness. If these girls are 'elite' why are the club passing and guest playing for lower ranked teams at their club or any club for that matter
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 31, 2018 13:19:11 GMT -5
totally agree
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 31, 2018 13:35:39 GMT -5
its the conundrum of youth soccer - there should be a "system" in place that allows fluidity for players to play between levels as necessary. Players that play 90% of the minutes on their top team should not be allowed to take advantage of this flexibility besides goal keepers. It should allow flexibility for the player that only gets 15-25 minutes on the top team and allow them to get minutes on a lower team -- that could be at their club on a lower team or potentially at another club if it can be done with a legitimate process. DA rosters are full of kids at age u15+ that play very very few minutes, they get their minimal 25% starts but then clearly are bench players. I've seen RPL and ecnl teams the same way - same 11 players play 75% of the minutes of every game. Not saying this is good or bad, but what I'm saying is allow those kids that get few minutes opportunities to play with other teams. Classic and athena were set up like this -- allow kids to play up but not down. Teams would often roster top players down so they can play on both teams and take advantage of the system but many many many kids benefit from being rostered on 2nd team and then guesting with top team. Best of both worlds in my opinion.
Training and game play complement one another, I don't buy into its all about the training sessions, its extremely difficult to emulate games in a training session. Kids need game experience. I can't even count how many players i've seen over the years play suffer at the hands of playing time. Those kids were training 4 days a week and getting little playing time and you could tell, there ability in games dropped. Some of it is coming in games at odd times, but kids lose confidence. A lot of it is flat out mental -- its hard training 4 days a week and not being rewarded for performance during the week or even if the kid has a great 15 minutes in a game -- it wears kids down mentally and it takes almost 6 months to recover in my opinion.
Thats life -- get knocked down and get back up -- its all about life lessons, so much more to team sports than what happens between the lines
Given ECNL, SCCL, NPL are all through US club soccer, unless the club is also rostering those teams within the Georgia system, Georgia has no idea these players exist. Its my understanding that some NPL and SCCL teams are being rostered in Georgia Affinity system in case its required to be a Georgia Affiliate for certain tournaments, I could be mistaken -- ECNL teams are obviously not.
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Post by ihave3girlz on Jul 31, 2018 13:39:32 GMT -5
I find this interesting because the whole ECNL conundrum to me goes against the spirit of competition and fairness. If these girls are 'elite' why are the club passing and guest playing for lower ranked teams at their club or any club for that matter That I can’t answer...
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Post by lovethegame on Aug 6, 2018 11:16:05 GMT -5
First of all, ECNL allows two DP players per team from U13 to U17 and then four for the U18/19 team. Typically, these players live a distance too far to allow them to train consistently with the ECNL team. DP's can only play for the team in which they are registered. They aren't allowed to play up or down.
As Ihave3girlz said, this allows a player from a smaller club or a distant club the opportunity to play for their local club as well as an ECNL club. It is good for the local team, the player and the ECNL team. Because the DP positions are limited, the ECNL coach takes time to consider whether the team and the player will benefit from playing for them.
I've been involved in ECNL for many years, and I don't see that DP positions abused. I can only speak for my club and for my experience, but from what I've seen it is typically a coach from a smaller club or a parent that contacts the ECNL coach to discuss playing for the ECNL team. The coach from the smaller club wants to keep the player yet still offer developmental and recruiting opportunities for that player or the parent is seeking the same.
US Club and Georgia Soccer are two different leagues. There is no rule that governs "recruiting" between the two leagues. ECNL doesn't allow any player to play for another ECNL club, including that club's USYS teams. Ultimately, I see this as additional opportunities for player development. Considering each club is only allowed 16 DP players on the girls' side and 16 on the boys' and most clubs don't fill every DP position, this really doesn't affect many players, teams or clubs.
I will address your play up and play down comment as it pertains to ECNL. With the exception of DP players, all ECNL players are allowed to play on any team for which they are age eligible. They are team tied at National Events (they can still play up or down, but can't play for one team one day another the next), and can't play in more than one game per day or play for more than one team in a fixture, but they are allowed to play up and down as needed. ECNL even allows for trapped U15 8th graders to play with the U14's in league games during the high school season (only two trapped players per game). This is certainly advantageous to the 8th grader whose team has moved onto play in high school while their only other choice would be to play on a middle school team. There is also a provision for the trapped 12th grader who has aged out of soccer but is still in high school.
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Post by lovethegame on Aug 6, 2018 17:54:20 GMT -5
I first heard about this recently. Two girls from a non-ecnl club are supposed to be discovery players for a totally unrelated club. It seems to violate the recruiting rules, and just seems sketchy in general. Why can they do this for ecnl, but we can't just have a random da/npl/athena player fo play for a second club? It's two different leagues, so no violation of "recruiting rules". DA doesn't allow players to play ODP, HS, etc., so they aren't going to allow their players to play for an ECNL club. Athena players are governed by USYS, so that it would violate their rules to play for another USYS club. But, Athena player could be a Discovery Player for ECNL. Honestly, I don't know about an NPL player being a DP for ECNL. I've not seen that scenario. Both are US Club Soccer, but I would think it would be okay provided the NPL team isn't part of an ECNL club. ECNL players aren't allowed to play for any team from another ECNL club.
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