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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 31, 2018 17:56:52 GMT -5
2 Really big ones -
Part-Time (PT) player: •Is on the game day roster of the team during certain games, but is not playing consistently and/or enough minutes in DA games (e.g. player #15 - 20). •Can still be developing and/or has the potential to make an impact in the future. •Is rostered in a DA club and receives playing time on a non-DA team within the club, or in an affiliate club to supplement their playing time as part of his/her individual development plan. An IDP includes a long-term season plan with a consistent environment and coaching staff. •Must train at least 1x and ideally 2x per week with the DA club and 1-2x per week with the non-DA team for a total of 3-4x per week as part of their IDP. •Can play a maximum of 12 DA games per season (regular season and events, including playoffs).
Re-Entry U-13 and U-14 •Maximum 18 players on the game day roster •All Players are permitted to re-enter the game •Maximum of 3 substitution moments (to limit the number of interruptions during the game) for each team to make their substitutions; half time does not count as a moment •Moments used in the first half do count and are included as part of the three total moments
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 31, 2018 18:31:22 GMT -5
Girls and boys DA?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 31, 2018 18:38:58 GMT -5
yes - from what i'm seeing. I'll share the pdfs soon, checking on permissions.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 31, 2018 18:44:18 GMT -5
a few other nuggets --
You could see ATL united taking advantage of affiliate clubs -- Affiliate clubs
Applies for 2018-19 player registration •To register a player from an affiliate Club to play with the DA Club, both Clubs must acknowledge that an official partnership exists. [Note: this process should be automated in the future; in the meantime, Clubs may email the academy@ussoccer.org address with both Directors on the email to confirm] •A player from any affiliate Club outside the DA is eligible to register as a part-time (PT) player •A player from a current DA (U-14 and younger) program that does not have a full DA pathway, may register with their official DA affiliate club at the U-15 (or older) age groups *Note, the timeline for players within a younger DA Club to play on an older affiliated DA Club is still in development and has not been established. However, these younger DA affiliate players are permitted to play with the older DA club in approved outside competition immediately (e.g. U-14 DA player to U-15 DA affiliate Club) •Affiliate players must train regularly, 1-2x per week, with the DA Club •Players should follow the DA play to rest ratio, maximum 1 game per day, no more than 2 games per weekend (Fri.-Sun.)
All Clubs within a community are collaborating with the goal to optimize the development of all players, coaches and technical leadership. The active partnerships are focused primarily on technical standards (not simply commercial/marketing), and will result in improved everyday environments for all Clubs involved. As an example, this is defined by double pass for our USA assessment project as: •Signed contract/agreement with clear explanation of the “relationship” between the Clubs, e.g. collaboration on talent identification activities to create a clear player pathway •An active “relationship/partnership” is expected with regular contact (min. 5x/year) between the coaching staff of both Clubs (and/or talent identification centers) •Club/coach development is part of the active “relationship” with the Clubs (and/or talent identification centers) Clubs that establish collaborations with other Clubs in their community will have a greater chance to succeed over the long-term based on their shared efforts. Clubs, working together, may receive ongoing support from U.S. Soccer on developing these partnerships
Future •Age Group Programming e.g. Girls U-16
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 4, 2018 12:58:27 GMT -5
After all of the discussions about the down sides of DA and this apparent attempt to address them I am shocked that there are no comments about this except soccerhouse's informative posts and my one question. Anyone else want to comment positively or negatively on this change? One point I want to make is that it is a shame it wasn't made public before tryouts! I am sure there are plenty of kids who would have stayed at or gone to DA clubs knowing they could have been part time players.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 5, 2018 8:06:06 GMT -5
After all of the discussions about the down sides of DA and this apparent attempt to address them I am shocked that there are no comments about this except soccerhouse's informative posts and my one question. Anyone else want to comment positively or negatively on this change? One point I want to make is that it is a shame it wasn't made public before tryouts! I am sure there are plenty of kids who would have stayed at or gone to DA clubs knowing they could have been part time players. PT players doubt require a tryout. Its probably like a DP and those will be recommended by coaches throughout the year.
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Post by daddyo on Aug 5, 2018 9:23:26 GMT -5
I think it's about time DA changed to make it about development. I like the changes, it gives bubble kids incentive to keep working on their craft.
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Post by justaparent on Aug 5, 2018 9:43:26 GMT -5
After all of the discussions about the down sides of DA and this apparent attempt to address them I am shocked that there are no comments about this except soccerhouse's informative posts and my one question. Anyone else want to comment positively or negatively on this change? One point I want to make is that it is a shame it wasn't made public before tryouts! I am sure there are plenty of kids who would have stayed at or gone to DA clubs knowing they could have been part time players. The substitution rule was a big negative among DA parents on the sidelines. The change is very positive. It also comes as a surprise as we did not expect it to happen. DA announced substitution rule changes for older age groups back in the spring. We thought changes for U13 and U14 would have been made at the same time. We also knew the the DA players were given a feedback survey that the coaches and parents were not supposed to help them with. That was a good thing, but we were at least somewhat disappointed that there wasn’t also a parent survey. In the end, this new substitution rule may not be perfect, but it’s a great move in the right direction.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 5, 2018 9:54:18 GMT -5
Great points! I think the changes are positive. I agree with daddyo that it is helpful for bubble players who have more to play for both with more possibility of game time (even 5 minutes in the first half to sub out someone who needs to talk to the coach for tactical discussion) or to play down with another team if they aren't getting minutes. It is also a great move IMO to give a young player and the coach the opportunity to assess a potential injury rather than having the kid try to tough out what could be a significant injury or come off the field for good.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 5, 2018 13:04:29 GMT -5
After all of the discussions about the down sides of DA and this apparent attempt to address them I am shocked that there are no comments about this except soccerhouse's informative posts and my one question. Anyone else want to comment positively or negatively on this change? One point I want to make is that it is a shame it wasn't made public before tryouts! I am sure there are plenty of kids who would have stayed at or gone to DA clubs knowing they could have been part time players. The substitution rule was a big negative among DA parents on the sidelines. The change is very positive. It also comes as a surprise as we did not expect it to happen. DA announced substitution rule changes for older age groups back in the spring. We thought changes for U13 and U14 would have been made at the same time. We also knew the the DA players were given a feedback survey that the coaches and parents were not supposed to help them with. That was a good thing, but we were at least somewhat disappointed that there wasn’t also a parent survey. In the end, this new substitution rule may not be perfect, but it’s a great move in the right direction. Substitution changes for older age groups? Feedback survey??
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Post by justaparent on Aug 5, 2018 15:22:46 GMT -5
The substitution rule was a big negative among DA parents on the sidelines. The change is very positive. It also comes as a surprise as we did not expect it to happen. DA announced substitution rule changes for older age groups back in the spring. We thought changes for U13 and U14 would have been made at the same time. We also knew the the DA players were given a feedback survey that the coaches and parents were not supposed to help them with. That was a good thing, but we were at least somewhat disappointed that there wasn’t also a parent survey. In the end, this new substitution rule may not be perfect, but it’s a great move in the right direction. Substitution changes for older age groups? Feedback survey?? Substitution adjustments for the 2018-19 Academy Season * U-15 Age Group (Boys/Girls) * Current standard: five (5) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment * New standard: seven (7) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment * U-16/17 Age Group (Girls only) * Current standard: five (5) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment * New standard: seven (7) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment * U-18/19 Age Group (Boys/Girls) * No changes to substitution standard: five (5) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment surveys: the U13s had to go online and answer some questions.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 5, 2018 15:32:37 GMT -5
Substitution changes for older age groups? Feedback survey?? Substitution adjustments for the 2018-19 Academy Season * U-15 Age Group (Boys/Girls) * Current standard: five (5) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment * New standard: seven (7) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment * U-16/17 Age Group (Girls only) * Current standard: five (5) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment * New standard: seven (7) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment * U-18/19 Age Group (Boys/Girls) * No changes to substitution standard: five (5) substitutions across three (3) moments, halftime does not count as a moment surveys: the U13s had to go online and answer some questions. You meant the amount of substitutions a team can do, I thought you meant re-entry changes.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 6, 2018 9:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by zizou on Aug 6, 2018 18:33:45 GMT -5
The substitution alterations are definitely for the better at the younger ages. Restricting it to the younger ages is silly. Adolescents are still being educated, and all of these age groups are filled with players whose brains are still developing and who are still trying to learn how to navigate a complex environment (the dynamic action on the soccer pitch holding 22 players). Have a system that facilitates education rather than falsely assumes the majority of the players have any hope of being professionals. And while USSDA is making cosmetic alterations that may or may not alter the way coaches actually use players (we will see), the USSF has yet to hire three coaches to fill spots in the boys YNT setup. This one I find surprising. Aren't they trying to make sure the USA is getting ready for good showings in World Cup qualifying at multiple age groups (including the Senior team) and then when we are actually hosting a World Cup in the not-too-distant future? I suppose they were waiting for the General Manager position to be filled. Tab Ramos: Three boys YNT coaching spots unfilled
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 6, 2018 20:24:14 GMT -5
I believe they hired former US player Earnie Stewart to fill the GM spot. Not sure when he takes over but it's soon. I'm guessing once he gets in his first priority will be in hiring the MNT coach and then trickle down to the YNT vacancies.
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Post by gaprospects on Aug 6, 2018 22:34:20 GMT -5
Reading through these, really only two things stick out as not being an improvement over what they already had in place.
1) Limiting the substitution moments to 3 per game at U13-14. Not sure if coaches sending 4, 5, 6 players in at once only a couple times a game is really what we're looking for with allowing re-entry.
2) Part-time players are only allowed to practice with the DA team 1-2 times a week, but they aren't allowed to play high school soccer? So their DA teammates will be at practice without them and their non-DA teammates will be playing for their schools? What are those kids supposed to do?
Other than that, this all seems pretty good, looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not really sure how the 1-2 times a week practice rule for PT players will be followed. Take AU for example, if there's a kid playing for the standalone 03 team and he's rostered part-time with the 02/03 DA team, how is USSF going to audit how often Tony Annan tells that kid to join in with the DA squad at training? Maybe that's not a strict rule, because it doesn't seem like it could be practically enforced.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 6, 2018 22:53:57 GMT -5
Reading through these, really only two things stick out as not being an improvement over what they already had in place. 1) Limiting the substitution moments to 3 per game at U13-14. Not sure if coaches sending 4, 5, 6 players in at once only a couple times a game is really what we're looking for with allowing re-entry. 2) Part-time players are only allowed to practice with the DA team 1-2 times a week, but they aren't allowed to play high school soccer? So their DA teammates will be at practice without them and their non-DA teammates will be playing for their schools? What are those kids supposed to do? Other than that, this all seems pretty good, looking forward to seeing how it plays out. EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not really sure how the 1-2 times a week practice rule for PT players will be followed. Take AU for example, if there's a kid playing for the standalone 03 team and he's rostered part-time with the 02/03 DA team, how is USSF going to audit how often Tony Annan tells that kid to join in with the DA squad at training? Maybe that's not a strict rule, because it doesn't seem like it could be practically enforced. Agree on the 3 moments a game. Coaches will be scared to make changes in the first half since it would count as a moment also. Goalies should always be allowed to renter as well and not count as a moment Yea not sure if it’s possible to track part time players training either. Might just be a recommendation.
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Post by zizou on Aug 7, 2018 0:02:31 GMT -5
I believe they hired former US player Earnie Stewart to fill the GM spot. Not sure when he takes over but it's soon. I'm guessing once he gets in his first priority will be in hiring the MNT coach and then trickle down to the YNT vacancies. The Youth technical director (Tab Ramos) should be hiring the YNT coaches. Heck, neither the boys nor girls have a full time keeper coach. What are they doing? There is no excusing the "hiring freeze".
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 7, 2018 8:27:59 GMT -5
Yea, don't quite get the hiring freeze, what are they the federal government and hackworth leaving was shocking to me.
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Post by straightred on Aug 7, 2018 16:44:40 GMT -5
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I can't figure out why USSF is introducing a PT designation... sounds pretty similar to a DP, so what's really different?
One thing I notice is that USSF is very purposefully suggesting rosters should contain ~14 FT players and the rest of the roster should be made up of PT players. That is quite different than how most clubs built their rosters last year. Last year clubs that I'm familiar with rostered between 20 and 24 FT players. Sub rules + large rosters = crap experience for all but the top 3-5 players. (Yes, I know, that is the group of players that USSF cares about).
Could it be that the removal of DP in favor of PT is more about USSF lending cover to fully funded programs to reduce the size of their rosters and thereby reducing costs, or do PT players also get free rides at fully-funded clubs?
Up where I live one DA club is going to have enormous rosters, 23 - 24 FT players from what I hear. Another, an MLS-affiliate club, is rumored to be trying to sell its DA rights/obligations since it is a big money loser.
I have a feeling this PT designation has more to do with reducing costs and giving more playing time to the kids USSF cares about. Another feature is that it also codifies that players #15 and above are, in fact, officially practice cones.
Makes sense for the fully-funded clubs to trim the number of FT players, but I don't see why any Pay To Play club would be interested in trimming their FT players in favor of PT players.
BTW, my experience is limited to GDA, but the MLS related rumor above is obviously a BDA program.
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