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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 15, 2018 16:23:33 GMT -5
So I've noticed CF ENCL has a "premier" and a "platinum" team. Which is SSA and which is normal CF?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 15, 2018 18:36:24 GMT -5
For real? I heard ufa 04 DA side was supposed to me legit this year. Added a few studs. You would be correct sir. They have organically added and culled the team to the point where as of today, there are only 4 boys left from the original U12 team. Last year they owned AU. Now in AU's defense they had quite a few lads playing up with the 2003s. However, I still think the additions UFA made this Spring were just right. Now let's hope they gel in time to put on formidable games against AU. Circle September 15th for that whole club showdown.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 15, 2018 22:00:53 GMT -5
SSA is hosting a tourney this weekend. I assume their teams are required to play in it. Your assumption is correct. SSA hosts this pre season tournament every year and teams are required to play in it. There is no "bad blood" (at least from a parents' perspective) between CF and SSA. No need to read into the tournament participation. I heard the bad blood was CF & NASA
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Aug 16, 2018 9:14:09 GMT -5
So I've noticed CF ENCL has a "premier" and a "platinum" team. Which is SSA and which is normal CF? SSA 05 and 06 are Concorde Premier. For 04 and up, both Premier and Platinum are Concorde teams.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 16, 2018 11:14:51 GMT -5
Your assumption is correct. SSA hosts this pre season tournament every year and teams are required to play in it. There is no "bad blood" (at least from a parents' perspective) between CF and SSA. No need to read into the tournament participation. I heard the bad blood was CF & NASA You win Final Jeopardy!!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 16, 2018 11:23:55 GMT -5
So I've noticed CF ENCL has a "premier" and a "platinum" team. Which is SSA and which is normal CF? SSA 05 and 06 are Concorde Premier. For 04 and up, both Premier and Platinum are Concorde teams. Which one is "better" from a Concorde perspective? Platinum?
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 16, 2018 19:30:55 GMT -5
I heard the bad blood was CF & NASA You win Final Jeopardy!! Hahah....I have my sources 😉
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 16, 2018 20:11:12 GMT -5
Hahah....I have my sources 😉 I posted that on here several days ago but took it down after thinking about it. Apparently CF is upset they lost coaches and players to NTH during tryouts and told their teams not to participate in the NTH tournament. But it's about the kids supposedly and not people's egos...
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 16, 2018 20:13:55 GMT -5
Hahah....I have my sources 😉 I posted that on here several days ago but took it down after thinking about it. Apparently CF is upset they lost coaches and players to NTH during tryouts and told their teams not to participate in the NTH tournament. But it's about the kids supposedly and not people's egos... The whole thing is so silly. Same as the non-alliance clubs that decided not to participate in those tournaments. They're not thinking about the kids.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 16, 2018 20:25:06 GMT -5
CF apparently said NTH stole their players. You mean like snuck in the middle of the night, clubbed them over their head and took them against their will?
Its laughable
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Post by fanatic21 on Aug 16, 2018 22:35:54 GMT -5
Wait a minute, Soccerfan30. How many NTH teams competed in the Concorde tourney that was last weekend? But it's about this kids, right? I don't have a dog in this fight, but the pettiness of the club/coaches grudge matches go both ways - you and your pals at NTH certainly aren't above it. I assume the feud is primarily over the CF North/NTH Milton thing. I have no idea how that all happened, so forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it in fact does seem to me that was probably as close as it comes in the youth soccer world to sneaking in and clubbing someone over the head and stealing their coaches and players.
Or maybe we are all blowing this out of proportion and making assumptions. Mabye the majority of the CF teams and the NTH teams decided that one local preseason tourney was enough and decided to go to their own. That would make sense too and is hopefully the case, since it's about the kids.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 16, 2018 22:54:35 GMT -5
Wait a minute, Soccerfan30. How many NTH teams competed in the Concorde tourney that was last weekend? But it's about this kids, right? I don't have a dog in this fight, but the pettiness of the club/coaches grudge matches go both ways - you and your pals at NTH certainly aren't above it. I assume the feud is primarily over the CF North/NTH Milton thing. I have no idea how that all happened, so forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it in fact does seem to me that was probably as close as it comes in the youth soccer world to sneaking in and clubbing someone over the head and stealing their coaches and players. Or maybe we are all blowing this out of proportion and making assumptions. Mabye the majority of the CF teams and the NTH teams decided that one local preseason tourney was enough and decided to go to their own. That would make sense too and is hopefully the case, since it's about the kids. Fanatic- CF told their teams not to play on the NTH tournament, NTH teams have always played in the CF event for years. It had nothing to do with not wanting to play in more than one preseason event, many NTH teams are doing SSA, AFC and or NTH, that's two in three weeks. Clubs have agreements to reciprocate, CF elected to not support the NTH tournament probably over losing players and coaches to NTH.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 16, 2018 23:57:30 GMT -5
I posted that on here several days ago but took it down after thinking about it. Apparently CF is upset they lost coaches and players to NTH during tryouts and told their teams not to participate in the NTH tournament. But it's about the kids supposedly and not people's egos... The whole thing is so silly. Same as the non-alliance clubs that decided not to participate in those tournaments. They're not thinking about the kids. Sarcasm?? Seriously not sure, if not as a “non-alliance” club we are boycotting the Big 5 tournaments and actually pretty damn happy about it. I mean NTH in May was a debacle (had to watch NTH parents fighting each other because their team was tied with us even though the game didn’t matter since they’d already won the bracket), Concorde in Feb is not worth driving to McDonough for or being rained out and UFA never seems to understand that soccer games need three refs, not just one poor kid to run center for 6 straight games.
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Post by daddyo on Aug 17, 2018 6:13:57 GMT -5
CF Platinum on the boys side is normally used for the DA team to play in preseason tournaments. The DA team usually plays up a year. On the girls side, I'm only familiar with the 04g Platinum and that was the previous year's DA team, but will be top ECNL team this year.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Aug 17, 2018 6:48:13 GMT -5
SSA 05 and 06 are Concorde Premier. For 04 and up, both Premier and Platinum are Concorde teams. Which one is "better" from a Concorde perspective? Platinum? I believe at Concorde the "top" team is Platinum.
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Post by surgesoccer on Aug 17, 2018 7:16:25 GMT -5
I've only heard of one team having a possible-boycott. For a scrimmage the Coach had to get his directors approval specifically because of the SCCL fallout. Still it was approved. I'm sure there are grudges and some teams will choose to not play some tournaments. But also remember that SSA and Concorde's tournament were both last week and NASA is this week. Hard to play back to back weekends in tournaments. Especially when you likely have an hour drive to your local tournament.
The other problem is the quality of teams seems to have dropped with so many tournaments. I'm sure our club has some form of a reciprocal agreement with other clubs, but we made our decision based on the teams that participated the previous year. Unfortunately that did not work 100% as planned, because as a SCCL team the tournament decided to place us in the second division instead of the top division. We were specifically told that the top division would have the ECNL, NPL and NL teams while the second division would have SCCL and Classic 1.
It's the first time, we've ever not competed in the top division.
So you have to adapt. In the spring we usually do two tournaments in February. This year we will probably limit it to one and then set up scrimmages to replace the second tournament. We have no control over who we will play in the one tournament, but the games we schedule as a replacement for the second tournament will be guaranteed to be against good teams.
We'll save money, limit travel and have guaranteed quality competition.
Already thinking about next summer pre-season tournaments and how rather than do any tournaments, we do more scrimmages. Our team is a tournament customer, and if the tournament market isn't meeting our needs, it's time to create an alternative.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 17, 2018 7:45:16 GMT -5
I've only heard of one team having a possible-boycott. For a scrimmage the Coach had to get his directors approval specifically because of the SCCL fallout. Still it was approved. I'm sure there are grudges and some teams will choose to not play some tournaments. But also remember that SSA and Concorde's tournament were both last week and NASA is this week. Hard to play back to back weekends in tournaments. Especially when you likely have an hour drive to your local tournament. I've also heard some SCCL teams are trying to limit their preseason tourneys and costs since they are mandated to go to the Disney Tournament in November/December based on an agreement with the Disney folks to automatically accept all SCCL teams into their Tournament.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 17, 2018 7:48:01 GMT -5
The whole thing is so silly. Same as the non-alliance clubs that decided not to participate in those tournaments. They're not thinking about the kids. Sarcasm?? Seriously not sure, if not as a “non-alliance” club we are boycotting the Big 5 tournaments and actually pretty damn happy about it. I mean NTH in May was a debacle (had to watch NTH parents fighting each other because their team was tied with us even though the game didn’t matter since they’d already won the bracket), Concorde in Feb is not worth driving to McDonough for or being rained out and UFA never seems to understand that soccer games need three refs, not just one poor kid to run center for 6 straight games. Yeah, no offense to South ATL, but eff that February south atlanta tournament. Majority of georgia soccer is played just outside the northern arc, keep the tournaments there for those clubs. I hated going to the academy cup, not for the games or parents as much as the 2- days down there.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 17, 2018 7:56:34 GMT -5
Sarcasm?? Seriously not sure, if not as a “non-alliance” club we are boycotting the Big 5 tournaments and actually pretty damn happy about it. I mean NTH in May was a debacle (had to watch NTH parents fighting each other because their team was tied with us even though the game didn’t matter since they’d already won the bracket), Concorde in Feb is not worth driving to McDonough for or being rained out and UFA never seems to understand that soccer games need three refs, not just one poor kid to run center for 6 straight games. Yeah, no offense to South ATL, but eff that February south atlanta tournament. Majority of georgia soccer is played just outside the northern arc, keep the tournaments there for those clubs. I hated going to the academy cup, not for the games or parents as much as the 2- days down there. Completely agree, we would get a hotel and spend the night instead of waking up at the butt crack of dawn to make an 8:00 am kickoff
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Post by 3gsoccer on Aug 17, 2018 11:08:59 GMT -5
Wait a minute, Soccerfan30. How many NTH teams competed in the Concorde tourney that was last weekend? But it's about this kids, right? I don't have a dog in this fight, but the pettiness of the club/coaches grudge matches go both ways - you and your pals at NTH certainly aren't above it. I assume the feud is primarily over the CF North/NTH Milton thing. I have no idea how that all happened, so forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it in fact does seem to me that was probably as close as it comes in the youth soccer world to sneaking in and clubbing someone over the head and stealing their coaches and players. Or maybe we are all blowing this out of proportion and making assumptions. Mabye the majority of the CF teams and the NTH teams decided that one local preseason tourney was enough and decided to go to their own. That would make sense too and is hopefully the case, since it's about the kids. Fanatic- CF told their teams not to play on the NTH tournament, NTH teams have always played in the CF event for years. It had nothing to do with not wanting to play in more than one preseason event, many NTH teams are doing SSA, AFC and or NTH, that's two in three weeks. Clubs have agreements to reciprocate, CF elected to not support the NTH tournament probably over losing players and coaches to NTH.
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Post by 3gsoccer on Aug 17, 2018 11:10:54 GMT -5
soccerfan30-- an 04 NTh team you are likely very familiar with pulled out of the CF tournament after the schedules came out. Word is NTH told them to pull out.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 17, 2018 11:15:30 GMT -5
soccerfan30-- an 04 NTh team you are likely very familiar with pulled out of the CF tournament after the schedules came out. Word is NTH told them to pull out. All of the NTH teams withdrew because CF said they they wouldn't attend the NTH tournament. If you have a reciprocal agreement with another club and they don't follow through allegedly because of some post tryout pettiness, this is the end result.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 17, 2018 11:21:46 GMT -5
true -- for years Norcross wouldn't play in concorde tournaments, and vise versa. then magically one year, the ban was lifted.
CF needs to just wake up an realize they helped create the beast that is youth soccer in this city, and I guess you can say their mismanagement of the north branch led to all this. I might be over generalizing this a little bit but.....
All this is more amazing on how SCCL was pulled off, usually the only and the only thing Club Directors agree on is --- Cost.
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Post by surgesoccer on Aug 17, 2018 11:54:02 GMT -5
I've only heard of one team having a possible-boycott. For a scrimmage the Coach had to get his directors approval specifically because of the SCCL fallout. Still it was approved. I'm sure there are grudges and some teams will choose to not play some tournaments. But also remember that SSA and Concorde's tournament were both last week and NASA is this week. Hard to play back to back weekends in tournaments. Especially when you likely have an hour drive to your local tournament. I've also heard some SCCL teams are trying to limit their preseason tourneys and costs since they are mandated to go to the Disney Tournament in November/December based on an agreement with the Disney folks to automatically accept all SCCL teams into their Tournament. Did everything possible to get out of Disney. No real upside... high cost, long travel, no Disney fields, probably play at least one team from Atlanta. On the last day of registration was told we have to register.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 17, 2018 12:00:56 GMT -5
Yea, its crazy -- do clubs trully understand the cost of disney? Imagine if instead some of that money was diverted to the club.
~5 night stay - $160 a night, plus tax, lets say $180 a night. at 5 nights - that's ~ $900 for each family.
Multiply that by 18 kids - $16,200 Add in the $1885 registration charge
That's $18,085 per team. Now multiply that times 5 teams:
$90,425
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Post by fanatic21 on Aug 17, 2018 12:00:59 GMT -5
soccerfan30-- an 04 NTh team you are likely very familiar with pulled out of the CF tournament after the schedules came out. Word is NTH told them to pull out. All of the NTH teams withdrew because CF said they they wouldn't attend the NTH tournament. If you have a reciprocal agreement with another club and they don't follow through allegedly because of some post tryout pettiness, this is the end result. So again, is this about a disagreement between the clubs (regardless of who started it), reciprocal agreements between the clubs, or what's best for the kids? In this situation, you can't criticize CF and say that they aren't doing what's best for their kids by not playing in the NTH tournaments (which you did) without implying that NTH isn't doing what's best for their kids either (regardless of who started it/broke the agreement).
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 17, 2018 15:47:06 GMT -5
I've also heard some SCCL teams are trying to limit their preseason tourneys and costs since they are mandated to go to the Disney Tournament in November/December based on an agreement with the Disney folks to automatically accept all SCCL teams into their Tournament. Did everything possible to get out of Disney. No real upside... high cost, long travel, no Disney fields, probably play at least one team from Atlanta. On the last day of registration was told we have to register. I have to say it was disappointing to friends family that their age group won't even play at the ESPNWWOS. All of that cost, time and travel only to play on regular fields. Plus like you said, probably play a team from Atlanta. smdh
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 17, 2018 15:48:38 GMT -5
Yea, its crazy -- do clubs trully understand the cost of disney? Imagine if instead some of that money was diverted to the club. ~5 night stay - $160 a night, plus tax, lets say $180 a night. at 5 nights - that's ~ $900 for each family. Multiply that by 18 kids - $16,200 Add in the $1885 registration charge That's $18,085 per team. Now multiply that times 5 teams: $90,425
Let us please not forget the coaches fees, per-diem, hotel and the mileage. Thankfully, that is spread out amongst the team.
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Post by greenmonkey on Aug 29, 2018 9:18:09 GMT -5
][/quote]Let us please not forget the coaches fees, per-diem, hotel and the mileage. Thankfully, that is spread out amongst the team.[/quote][ Food ... Families gotta eat. Photos ... gotta get the mickey pic Fun ... Can’t tell me people aren’t paying to go to parks 100,000 per club plus 5 clubs That’s 1/2 a mil per year that could stay right here in ATL So ... how should we spend it???
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