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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 8, 2018 10:42:31 GMT -5
Wonder why your referee doesn't keep up with play and sometimes misses calls? Because they're probably exhausted. I signed up to referee a pre-season tournament this weekend. Won't name which one, because the issues are the same everywhere and every time I work a tournament. Guess how many games I was assigned? 11 over 2 days. That's 6 on Saturday and 5 on Sunday. In 80+ degree heat on turf, full field 11v11 games, back to back with no break. I'm pretty fit - did a sprint workout this morning that I picked up from my kid's high school pre-season work outs. But how effective do you think I'll be on games 5 and 6 on Saturday? Or the final on Sunday when it's my 5th game in a row? I'll do my best to give the players a fair game, but if you see me lagging play after 2 pm on Saturday, know I'm trying! This isn't about me. This is about all the referees busting it every weekend to give your kids the chance to play. So be nice, offer water, shade, and an encouraging word. And remember it's pre-season... Want to join us? Sign up for a class here: www.gareferees.com/index.cfm?wpid=24See you out there.
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 8, 2018 12:26:18 GMT -5
Need less a**hole parents!!! My son reffed for a year before he hung it up. Reason, a**hole parents. There will be a shortage of refs until someone steps in and holds parents accountable.
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Post by fan on Aug 8, 2018 21:06:02 GMT -5
There are times I'm tempted to video the parents instead of the players. Game highlight (lowlight?) videos of their crappy behavior for a few games might shame some parents into slightly better behavior. Or even better - I wish that anyone who yells at the refs gets to assign refs for all the games one weekend.
The money and flexibility of scheduling keeps one of my kids reffing but almost none of her friends still ref.
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Post by defensewins on Aug 9, 2018 8:03:15 GMT -5
My daughter refuses to center because of the yelling by parents and coaches. She says it isn't worth the stress. You can find a sad collection of bad parent behavior here - it isn't just soccer: www.facebook.com/youreoffside/ And here for his website: www.stoprefabuse.com/"Don't be a cheeseburger!"
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 9, 2018 12:01:37 GMT -5
Wonder why your referee doesn't keep up with play and sometimes misses calls? Because they're probably exhausted. I signed up to referee a pre-season tournament this weekend. Won't name which one, because the issues are the same everywhere and every time I work a tournament. Guess how many games I was assigned? 11 over 2 days. That's 6 on Saturday and 5 on Sunday. In 80+ degree heat on turf, full field 11v11 games, back to back with no break. I'm pretty fit - did a sprint workout this morning that I picked up from my kid's high school pre-season work outs. But how effective do you think I'll be on games 5 and 6 on Saturday? Or the final on Sunday when it's my 5th game in a row? I'll do my best to give the players a fair game, but if you see me lagging play after 2 pm on Saturday, know I'm trying! This isn't about me. This is about all the referees busting it every weekend to give your kids the chance to play. So be nice, offer water, shade, and an encouraging word. And remember it's pre-season... Want to join us? Sign up for a class here: www.gareferees.com/index.cfm?wpid=24See you out there. The clues pretty much give it away as the SSA Summer Classic. It is a pretty huge tournament to begin with. My son referees mainly at his home SSA location. I think SSA (as most clubs) usually just use their homegrown and club players for their referees during the regular season. The problem on this tournament is that the Director's requirements of almost all the SSA select teams needing to play in this tournament from all locations. That is pretty much 80-90% of your referees right there playing in the tournament. None of those kids want to referee games between their games they are playing, so they have a lack of referees due to this in my opinion. I'm not saying there isn't a lack of referees, because there is, but in this case I think there are other issues going on. As far as parents and referees, yeah I've seen the problem, but my son is a very young referee, and he tends to ignore any snide comments from the peanut gallery. I attended pretty much all of his referee games last year in his first year refereeing, and I didn't hear too much bad stuff going on toward him or the referee crew. There will always be complaints from the coaches or an occasional snide remark for a bad call, but honestly if it doesn't go over that I think the referees need to hear that anyway especially if they made a bad call. It gives them self reflection to make sure they do their best. Now berating and screaming, etc.... is uncalled for, but a one off complaint by a coach or parent in a normal tone doesn't hurt anyone.
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Post by alacrity174 on Aug 13, 2018 13:11:59 GMT -5
Wonder why your referee doesn't keep up with play and sometimes misses calls? Because they're probably exhausted. I signed up to referee a pre-season tournament this weekend. Won't name which one, because the issues are the same everywhere and every time I work a tournament. Guess how many games I was assigned? 11 over 2 days. That's 6 on Saturday and 5 on Sunday. In 80+ degree heat on turf, full field 11v11 games, back to back with no break. I'm pretty fit - did a sprint workout this morning that I picked up from my kid's high school pre-season work outs. But how effective do you think I'll be on games 5 and 6 on Saturday? Or the final on Sunday when it's my 5th game in a row? I'll do my best to give the players a fair game, but if you see me lagging play after 2 pm on Saturday, know I'm trying! This isn't about me. This is about all the referees busting it every weekend to give your kids the chance to play. So be nice, offer water, shade, and an encouraging word. And remember it's pre-season... Want to join us? Sign up for a class here: www.gareferees.com/index.cfm?wpid=24See you out there. The clues pretty much give it away as the SSA Summer Classic. It is a pretty huge tournament to begin with. My son referees mainly at his home SSA location. I think SSA (as most clubs) usually just use their homegrown and club players for their referees during the regular season. The problem on this tournament is that the Director's requirements of almost all the SSA select teams needing to play in this tournament from all locations. That is pretty much 80-90% of your referees right there playing in the tournament. None of those kids want to referee games between their games they are playing, so they have a lack of referees due to this in my opinion. I'm not saying there isn't a lack of referees, because there is, but in this case I think there are other issues going on. As far as parents and referees, yeah I've seen the problem, but my son is a very young referee, and he tends to ignore any snide comments from the peanut gallery. I attended pretty much all of his referee games last year in his first year refereeing, and I didn't hear too much bad stuff going on toward him or the referee crew. There will always be complaints from the coaches or an occasional snide remark for a bad call, but honestly if it doesn't go over that I think the referees need to hear that anyway especially if they made a bad call. It gives them self reflection to make sure they do their best. Now berating and screaming, etc.... is uncalled for, but a one off complaint by a coach or parent in a normal tone doesn't hurt anyone. Having been a referee in the Atlanta area for many years now I can say with certainty your sons experience is not the norm. I am going to take a stab in the dark and say your son is doing very young games which typically are easier and less confrontational. I would also like to know why you believe " There will always be complaints from the coaches or an occasional snide remark for a bad call, but honestly if it doesn't go over that I think the referees need to hear that anyway especially if they made a bad call" If you are not a qualified referee how can you say it was a bad call and why do you believe the referee "Needs to hear this"? On the shortage of referees it is a known FACT there is a shortage, you are more than welcome to take the course and join us, that would be 1 less, but somehow I don't think you would last long running 5 to 6 games a day Saturday and Sunday. No Coach allows his/her players to ref and play on the same day during a tournament and all assignors will pull in as many referees from the whole pool as they can and not just rely upon their normal group as they know there will be a number of players who can't ref during the weekend, you would be surprised the amount of emails every weekend referees get from all assignors asking for additional help. As Soccerloafer said it is not an easy way to make money as most parents seem to believe and most referees do the job as we love being part of the game, nobody is getting rich doing this and the abuse coming from the sidelines doesn't make it any easier.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 13, 2018 14:31:05 GMT -5
Having been a referee in the Atlanta area for many years now I can say with certainty your sons experience is not the norm. I am going to take a stab in the dark and say your son is doing very young games which typically are easier and less confrontational. I would also like to know why you believe " There will always be complaints from the coaches or an occasional snide remark for a bad call, but honestly if it doesn't go over that I think the referees need to hear that anyway especially if they made a bad call" If you are not a qualified referee how can you say it was a bad call and why do you believe the referee "Needs to hear this"? On the shortage of referees it is a known FACT there is a shortage, you are more than welcome to take the course and join us, that would be 1 less, but somehow I don't think you would last long running 5 to 6 games a day Saturday and Sunday. No Coach allows his/her players to ref and play on the same day during a tournament and all assignors will pull in as many referees from the whole pool as they can and not just rely upon their normal group as they know there will be a number of players who can't ref during the weekend, you would be surprised the amount of emails every weekend referees get from all assignors asking for additional help. As Soccerloafer said it is not an easy way to make money as most parents seem to believe and most referees do the job as we love being part of the game, nobody is getting rich doing this and the abuse coming from the sidelines doesn't make it any easier. Dude did you just completely ignore my whole post? The way you responded sounded as if you are talking about someone else posting something else. You know not all posts are negative man. I'll take your statements one by one. 1) Yes he does referee games up to about U13/U14 age group, and the whole reason I went most of his first year was to see what he was going to have to hear, and it was nothing that bad. I have heard way worse in his games he plays in and so has he. 2) I was a qualified referee but let my certification lapse because I do not have the time with 2 kids in soccer to actually referee. It had nothing to do with not being able to cut it as your snide remark was implying. 3) I believe a coach telling a referee that he made a bad call and pointing out why is a very constructive way for a referee to self reflect and make sure he/she is doing his best. I also have no issues with a parent with an occasional "come on ref" or one liner or a couple words complaining about an offside, foul call/no-call, etc... Nothing mean, no name calling, just a statement of questioning the call. Whether the parents should or should not do this and just allow the coach to do it is a debate we can have, but in reality you are always going to have that from the parents no matter what rule you make to try to stop it, and those mild things I just said above are the least of the concerns regarding parental actions and antics on the sidelines. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed, and I'm not condoning any parent or even coach that crosses that line. 4) I would love you to tell me where I said there wasn't a shortage of referees? I in fact said there was, but that the SSA tournament had some other issues due to sheer number of SSA select teams playing in that tournament. I get all the emails my son gets from referee assignors asking for help. I saw all the emails that went out for the SSA tournament. I know that referee assignors beg for people all the time. So I'm not sure why you are attacking me on that. 5) My son referees because it is the only job he can get at his age as he is under the age that any other place would hire him and he wants to make money. He has thick skin, and loves doing it because of the money. Me a little less so as I am having to drive him to and from them, but I like his work ethic and will support him since he wants to do it. Lastly before you assume stuff about me next time remember what happens when you ASS-U-ME. Also start reading entire posts and quit reading things into posts that aren't there.
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