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Post by delmarva on Aug 21, 2018 11:26:31 GMT -5
Can someone provide the reasons these divisions are going away? Lots of talented and competitive 3/C players and teams now playing against V/E level teams. Teams that won Classic 4 last season are now rewarded by playing in Classic 3 with every other team below them. Old Classic 2 teams recently relagated are now playing against Classic 4/5 teams. Five or six Classic 3 divisions?? Other than trying to help with travel, what are the reasons?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 21, 2018 12:18:32 GMT -5
Because they've lost 8 teams that normally would have been 1/A/RPL level. Everything shifted up at least half a bracket on average. (8 being 5 SCCL and 3 NPL)
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Post by USoCcer on Aug 21, 2018 12:20:08 GMT -5
These are all excellent points. While I understand that the total number of teams may be down due to SCCL, ECNL, etc. I think what we are going to see is that the old II/B teams who were relegated to III/C are going to go right to the top of the tables. I expect there to be some significant separation in the III/C brackets as three or four teams will win all/most of their games and other teams won't win a single game. But hey, at least we can say our kids got promoted and are now playing III/C soccer right?
What's wrong with bringing back Classic IV/V and Athena D/E where it may be warranted?
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Post by Keeper on Aug 21, 2018 12:31:04 GMT -5
Travel. That’s the main reason. They wanted to make more local brackets plus add in the lose of the now SCCL teams has meant that everyone got shifted up. I haven’t seen any teams that should have been relegated from last year actually get relegated so the only issue will be those true low level athena C teams that didn’t move up to B now playing the Low level Athena D teams and probably blowing them out.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 21, 2018 13:00:46 GMT -5
These are all excellent points. While I understand that the total number of teams may be down due to SCCL, ECNL, etc. I think what we are going to see is that the old II/B teams who were relegated to III/C are going to go right to the top of the tables. I expect there to be some significant separation in the III/C brackets as three or four teams will win all/most of their games and other teams won't win a single game. But hey, at least we can say our kids got promoted and are now playing III/C soccer right? What's wrong with bringing back Classic IV/V and Athena D/E where it may be warranted? Oh, there will definitely be an immediate re-balancing at the C/III-level. I assume they will promote 2 teams from EACH C=>B and promote around 8 from B=>A (due to RPL/NL promotion). B will look completely different each season. There will probably be MORE movement in this scenario. That said, how do they handle relegation per state in RPL? Do 2 of the teams per state automatically get relegated from RPL to A? Or do you have no movement if they're not in the bottom 2-4?
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Post by delmarva on Aug 21, 2018 14:21:14 GMT -5
Okay I see, so the reasons are travel along with the departure of a handful of top teams out of Classic/Athena. I also see what Jump is saying that the typical relegation at II/B didn’t happen - those teams are still in those divisions. I still think the amount of 3/B divisions is too high, won’t be fun for the kids, and doesn’t foster development.
Curious if parents were told about the change at their clubs as I’m pretty sure it wasn’t communicated by our club.
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Post by USoCcer on Aug 21, 2018 14:33:36 GMT -5
At least in last seasons U13G Athena B, the relegations did occur. The two bottom teams last season are now Athena C
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 21, 2018 15:16:04 GMT -5
At least in last seasons U13G Athena B, the relegations did occur. The two bottom teams last season are now Athena C And so I guess to not undeservedly move teams up 2 brackets they did the 7-team A bracket for fall 2018.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 21, 2018 20:33:42 GMT -5
At least in last seasons U13G Athena B, the relegations did occur. The two bottom teams last season are now Athena C Actually no. Augusta Arsenal 05 Gold folded and mixed with 04 Gold and Ga Rush had to combine their Athena B and D teams so they wanted to play Athena C. Most of that Rush Athena B team left to NTh Milton.
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Post by sailingaway on Aug 22, 2018 10:07:19 GMT -5
At least in last seasons U13G Athena B, the relegations did occur. The two bottom teams last season are now Athena C Actually no. Augusta Arsenal 05 Gold folded and mixed with 04 Gold and Ga Rush had to combine their Athena B and D teams so they wanted to play Athena C. Most of that Rush Athena B team left to NTh Milton. That's actually incorrect re: GA Rush. The higher level 04G and 05G GA Rush stayed at Rush. It was most of the 2 D teams (o4/05) that moved over to NTH Milton. GA Rush might have had a couple of the D players combine up into their top teams, but not many.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 22, 2018 10:48:17 GMT -5
NPL expanded to a full league, SCCL is a net new league.. add up those teams.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 22, 2018 12:15:49 GMT -5
My son's U13 Boys team was requesting Classic III, but due to the shift in everything we are Classic II. I know that soccer in college doesn't always have the most accurate rankings, but looking at my son's division, all but one of those teams were well below us ranking wise while playing Academy. I know that teams change, etc..., but based on how everything shifted I feel like our team is likely in the right division if not possibly too low and will likely be Top 2 in our bracket this season.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 22, 2018 13:54:00 GMT -5
Still no U13G brackets. You're killin me GA Soccer, you're killin me.
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Post by kellymama on Aug 22, 2018 14:31:15 GMT -5
Got this email from GA Soccer earlier...
13U - 19U ATHENA AND CLASSIC TEAM ADMINISTRATORS - As is typical with the initial release of the schedules, errors and issues have been found. To make sure we release accurate and correct information, we have removed the schedules from the view of field assignors and registrars as well as team administrators. I will update you as schedules are further reviewed and re-released. We apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you, Kim Bowen Georgia Soccer
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 22, 2018 14:39:17 GMT -5
Got this email from GA Soccer earlier... 13U - 19U ATHENA AND CLASSIC TEAM ADMINISTRATORS - As is typical with the initial release of the schedules, errors and issues have been found. To make sure we release accurate and correct information, we have removed the schedules from the view of field assignors and registrars as well as team administrators. I will update you as schedules are further reviewed and re-released. We apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you, Kim Bowen Georgia Soccer
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 22, 2018 14:41:12 GMT -5
This could be the reason clubs left to create there own league and get away from Georgia Soccer. Nothing like waiting till a week before the season starts to get the schedule
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 22, 2018 14:45:00 GMT -5
Got this email from GA Soccer earlier... 13U - 19U ATHENA AND CLASSIC TEAM ADMINISTRATORS - As is typical with the initial release of the schedules, errors and issues have been found. To make sure we release accurate and correct information, we have removed the schedules from the view of field assignors and registrars as well as team administrators. I will update you as schedules are further reviewed and re-released. We apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you, Kim Bowen Georgia Soccer ...
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Post by thisonedude on Aug 22, 2018 14:47:09 GMT -5
Not to highjack the thread, but I'm new to select soccer in Georgia. Can someone explain to me why it is acceptable to not have a schedule released this close to the start of play?
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Post by Keeper on Aug 22, 2018 14:47:22 GMT -5
Got this email from GA Soccer earlier... 13U - 19U ATHENA AND CLASSIC TEAM ADMINISTRATORS - As is typical with the initial release of the schedules, errors and issues have been found. To make sure we release accurate and correct information, we have removed the schedules from the view of field assignors and registrars as well as team administrators. I will update you as schedules are further reviewed and re-released. We apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you, Kim Bowen Georgia Soccer Yippie.....nearly two weeks until the first games and Ga Soccer can’t even get the brackets out. 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 22, 2018 16:55:26 GMT -5
Not to highjack the thread, but I'm new to select soccer in Georgia. Can someone explain to me why it is acceptable to not have a schedule released this close to the start of play?
Short answer, in my opinion it is NOT acceptable. But this is the system we have to suffer through (for now). I think US Club Soccer will increasingly be taking this out of GA Soccer's hands.
1 - Tryouts are in MAY. Select club signing day is in JUNE. The deadline for declaring your teams should be in JULY. Schedules should be released AUGUST 1 (before regular practices even begin). 2 - There is much to be said for US Club Soccer who has at least 3 national leagues and has gotten their schedules out. Currently they are running 4 leagues consisting of 13 teams in Georgia (for the younger ages), next year it may be as high as 20 (added team and multi-tiered SCCL). Plus 4-8 NL and 2 DA teams in USYS's hands. The pool for GA Soccer is going to keep shrinking as they continue to offer an inferior service. Wouldn't surprise me if US Club started holding an end-of-the-year state tournament allowing entries from all their managed leagues. Its ridiculous.
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Post by delmarva on Aug 22, 2018 17:07:10 GMT -5
Maybe they are rethinking some things. I took a look at the team numbers. Unless I missed something I see that in U15 Classic there are 88 teams compared to 89 last season. So, that’s basically the same amount, but I understand that some top teams have moved out of Classic.
But, as it stands now, on a percentage basis, 14% are Classic 1, 25% Classic 2 and the remaining 61% of teams were lumped into Classic 3. Compare this to last season - 13% C1, 15% C2, 29% C3, 28% C4 and 15% C5. This year, 61% of the teams were placed into six Classic 3 divisions below 1 C1 and 2 C2 divisions.....I don’t see how this will be fun for the kids. Why would a true Classic 5 team enjoy this experience and not just say at the end of the season - let’s all just play Rec and pay a lot less? I guess folks think there’s not a lot of deviation among this 61%? I disagree.
I know that teams eventually will shake out where they need to - but there are not many seasons to do so as think about it, due to the stupidity of the adoption of the age mandate for “regular” Select, these U15s aren’t playing for promotion/relegation in the Spring (Plus many 8th graders in this bracket won’t have that much to do this Spring- but that’s a topic for a different day).
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 22, 2018 17:42:21 GMT -5
Got this email from GA Soccer earlier... 13U - 19U ATHENA AND CLASSIC TEAM ADMINISTRATORS - As is typical with the initial release of the schedules, errors and issues have been found. To make sure we release accurate and correct information, we have removed the schedules from the view of field assignors and registrars as well as team administrators. I will update you as schedules are further reviewed and re-released. We apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you, Kim Bowen Georgia Soccer Yippie.....nearly two weeks until the first games and Ga Soccer can’t even get the brackets out. 🤦🏻♂️ Agree! This is stupid! Our club usually doesn't do academy schedules until the select ones are done to avoid conflicts since coaches have select and academy teams so I have no schedule to give my team. I am TM for a U 9 team. So frustrating! My older child is on a US Club run team and we have had that schedule for close to a month! Georgia soccer is doing a worse job this year than last!
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Post by Keeper on Aug 22, 2018 19:04:16 GMT -5
Yippie.....nearly two weeks until the first games and Ga Soccer can’t even get the brackets out. 🤦🏻♂️ Agree! This is stupid! Our club usually doesn't do academy schedules until the select ones are done to avoid conflicts since coaches have select and academy teams so I have no schedule to give my team. I am TM for a U 9 team. So frustrating! My older child is on a US Club run team and we have had that schedule for close to a month! Georgia soccer is doing a worse job this year than last! Ahh that’s why I’m waiting on two clubs to get back to me for academy schedules! I have mine nearly complete except for two clubs who can’t seem to return emails for academy. Good thing we have a wait list to get on our academy schedule so those clubs may get bumped.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 23, 2018 12:25:37 GMT -5
I believe August 27 is the deadline for them to publish the schedules.
Do games start Labor day weekend or the following weekend? I know there are some labor day tournaments, so I would guess the following weekend (though those tournaments may be academy-only?)
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Post by Keeper on Aug 23, 2018 13:46:57 GMT -5
I believe August 27 is the deadline for them to publish the schedules. Do games start Labor day weekend or the following weekend? I know there are some labor day tournaments, so I would guess the following weekend (though those tournaments may be academy-only?) Games don’t start till Sept 8th. Nothing till after Labor Day (Publix Atlanta Cup/money making mistake)
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 23, 2018 15:41:37 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Aug 23, 2018 21:16:22 GMT -5
Did your team get in the bracket you were told at tryouts you’d have?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 24, 2018 13:21:08 GMT -5
Did your team get in the bracket you were told at tryouts you’d have? Yeah, but had no idea who else was in the bracket. Also was curious where her old team was placed.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 24, 2018 14:10:26 GMT -5
Did your team get in the bracket you were told at tryouts you’d have? Yeah, but had no idea who else was in the bracket. Also was curious where her old team was placed. So good move or bad move?? You end up higher then the old team?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 24, 2018 15:58:38 GMT -5
Yeah, but had no idea who else was in the bracket. Also was curious where her old team was placed. So good move or bad move?? You end up higher then the old team? Yeah (expected on both counts). New is an A, old is in the C-directional.
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