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Post by soccergurl on Sept 5, 2018 15:29:39 GMT -5
I was asked this by another mom on another team and since I had no idea, I hope someone can help. She is on a team where their players are struggling with scoring. So their own coach has been sending emails offering to have training but paid training on scoring. She is uncomfortable with it and wanted to know what to do?
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Post by Keeper on Sept 5, 2018 15:35:56 GMT -5
The teams head coach wants them to pay extra for additional training? I mean time is money, but if the head coach can’t make enough time for finishing in practice then I’m not sure I’d paid extra for it. I’d reach out to the Club Doc for other options for finishing training first.
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Post by surgesoccer on Sept 5, 2018 15:36:29 GMT -5
Many clubs offer free finishing clinics which might be an option. I would expect the coach to want the team to score and work with them as part of their training.
Scoring requires the team work together to build up to a scoring opportunity (should be part of normal training), the foot skills to create space or win 1v1 (search 1,000 touch videos, then each player try to get about 7000 touches a day when not training - work outside of practice), and find shooting videos (stay after practice and work on shooting).
This way doesn't cost a dime, only time and committment.
**Never played soccer myself so if I'm off or missed anything someone with experience and more knowledge can add to this.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 5, 2018 15:47:19 GMT -5
To clarify -- extra team sessions or private sessions where the focus is scoring? not finishing or shooting or creating better chances in the final third, but rather "extra sessions on scoring"
I'll say this, been involved with youth soccer for awhile, never have I had a coach charge the team to have extra sessions during the normal regular seasons of Fall and Spring. I've seen it during the summer and the winter if the team doesn't pay the coach for Dec, Jan and Feb.
Now, I'll caveat this with my kids have always trained a minimum of 3 days a week, so I could potentially see this if the coach wanted to add a 3rd day every week if the team only payed to train 2 days a week. time is money.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 5, 2018 15:50:56 GMT -5
In thinking about this and not knowing if her kid's club offers free finishing clinics, isn't there some ethical boundaries being crossed? Like others have said, if you as a coach recognize a deficiency in a major part of the game(scoring), then maybe as a team you should be addressing this in practice which you are already being paid to provide. Personally, I don't have a problem with a coach offering private training sessions. I do have a problem with your current coach doing it while he/she is coaching you. That leads to issues of playing time or the look of favoritism, even when it's not there. If it bothers her that much, I would suggest first addressing it with the coach and finding out if it is mandatory or not. If you are not satisfied or you get push back, then the DOC is the next port of call.
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Post by soccergurl on Sept 5, 2018 18:36:58 GMT -5
To clarify -- extra team sessions or private sessions where the focus is scoring? not finishing or shooting or creating better chances in the final third, but rather "extra sessions on scoring" I'll say this, been involved with youth soccer for awhile, never have I had a coach charge the team to have extra sessions during the normal regular seasons of Fall and Spring. I've seen it during the summer and the winter if the team doesn't pay the coach for Dec, Jan and Feb. Now, I'll caveat this with my kids have always trained a minimum of 3 days a week, so I could potentially see this if the coach wanted to add a 3rd day every week if the team only payed to train 2 days a week. time is money. Clarification Update: she means something similar to a finishing clinic. Plus she did check with the club and they do have a finishing clinic for the club at large that is "free" and part of their already paid fees/dues.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 5, 2018 19:02:43 GMT -5
Yeah, that's garbage. Run (don't walk) AWAY from such an opportunity.
My kids U11 team had a coach who decided he wouldn't work on technical skills with the team but offered paid private training on technical and finishing. As a result the team struggled against the better teams in GA Soccer at their age group... despite having the best player in the state at her age (whom he trained) on the team. He also showed favoritism towards those players who trained with him. We are no longer with that club and the team disintegrated after the season.
Definitely DO use the club finishing clinics AND seek out OTHER COACHES for extra training.
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Post by 433 on Sept 5, 2018 22:04:12 GMT -5
She should probably talk to her coach first is my thought. I personally pay my daughter’s coach to train her on her off day and usually it’s specific to what she needs. I also know of a lot of coaches that do finishing sessions at Concorde not sure if it’s the same elsewhere. If it’s mandatory and the coach is making players come then it’s def an issue to address. If it’s optional I don’t see a problem with it. I would def ask the coach what his plan is, might not have one or might have a plan set depending on what level and what club. So many scenarios, best thing is to chat with the coach and voice your concerns.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Sept 5, 2018 22:24:28 GMT -5
I was asked this by another mom on another team and since I had no idea, I hope someone can help. She is on a team where their players are struggling with scoring. So their own coach has been sending emails offering to have training but paid training on scoring. She is uncomfortable with it and wanted to know what to do? At the club I coached at we were not allowed to train our players outside of practice for money because it would cause the look of favoritism. We could only train players for money that were rostered on another team and approved by that coached
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 6, 2018 1:37:42 GMT -5
I was asked this by another mom on another team and since I had no idea, I hope someone can help. She is on a team where their players are struggling with scoring. So their own coach has been sending emails offering to have training but paid training on scoring. She is uncomfortable with it and wanted to know what to do? At the club I coached at we were not allowed to train our players outside of practice for money because it would cause the look of favoritism. We could only train players for money that were rostered on another team and approved by that coached You did a better job of articulating my point. The issue is about the appearance of impropriety or favoritism not about his/her ability to have private training. He/she should not be training their own players while already being paid to coach them. This I would think is a common sense approach and removes any issues before they arise. I believe teachers also have the same ethical rule in place with regards to private tutoring. You can, as long as they are currently not your own students.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 6, 2018 10:23:13 GMT -5
At the club I coached at we were not allowed to train our players outside of practice for money because it would cause the look of favoritism. We could only train players for money that were rostered on another team and approved by that coached You did a better job of articulating my point. The issue is about the appearance of impropriety or favoritism not about his/her ability to have private training. He/she should not be training their own players while already being paid to coach them. This I would think is a common sense approach and removes any issues before they arise. I believe teachers also have the same ethical rule in place with regards to private tutoring. You can, as long as they are currently not your own students. This is correct. At our club the coach of the team is not allowed to train their own kids for money outside normal training with the whole team. Now if she wanted to set it up for her time and have everyone attend and make it mandatory and run it through her DOC then I see no issue with it, but private one or one or small group training for money with your own kids is a big no-no at our club. A coach was pretty much let go for doing that a year ago because he continued to do it even after being told to stop. The problem was he actually was showing favoritism in playing time.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 6, 2018 12:26:52 GMT -5
Slickdaddy, do you mind if I ask which club?
As to the issue, I agree, if the coach wants to hold extra voluntary practices to focus on specific issues, that's awesome.
But if they withhold an important part of the game and the team suffers and then tries to offer paid private training to address it, thats garbage.
Take advantage of club finishing clinics. I'd also talk to the DOC, to make sure they are aware. If a club you're at doesnt do anything about it, I'd consider a new club come May. Also, if your club doesn't have free (or cheap) clinics, talk to the other parents, one with coaching (or playing) experience may be willing to do some group training for the benefit of the whole team.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Sept 6, 2018 12:47:42 GMT -5
You did a better job of articulating my point. The issue is about the appearance of impropriety or favoritism not about his/her ability to have private training. He/she should not be training their own players while already being paid to coach them. This I would think is a common sense approach and removes any issues before they arise. I believe teachers also have the same ethical rule in place with regards to private tutoring. You can, as long as they are currently not your own students. This is correct. At our club the coach of the team is not allowed to train their own kids for money outside normal training with the whole team. Now if she wanted to set it up for her time and have everyone attend and make it mandatory and run it through her DOC then I see no issue with it, but private one or one or small group training for money with your own kids is a big no-no at our club. A coach was pretty much let go for doing that a year ago because he continued to do it even after being told to stop. The problem was he actually was showing favoritism in playing time. You'd think that would be a no-brainer but it's happening w/ more coaches/clubs than you'd think. And it does lead to favoritism. .
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 6, 2018 15:29:16 GMT -5
Most clubs don't allow it for obvious reasons, maybe the club in question isn't aware its happening.
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Post by girlsoccer on Sept 7, 2018 6:48:13 GMT -5
Most clubs don't allow it for obvious reasons, maybe the club in question isn't aware its happening. It used to happen at NASA (pre-merger) regularly. I always thought it was shady and seemed to lead to favoritism. I’m glad that has changed.
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 7, 2018 7:46:40 GMT -5
I can think of at least one coach around where it was basically a requirement. Not sure if he's still doing it, but I'd be surprised if he changed his stripes.
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