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Post by delmarva on Sept 8, 2018 9:46:06 GMT -5
One of my kids wants to know why, even though his team won C4 by a good margin, he’s playing a prior C5 team and we are traveling 50 miles? He wants to play “real” Classic 3. I don’t blame him. I appreciate the attempt to improve the system and that you can’t please all parents/teams....but forcing this many boy teams in to one C3 division was a poor decision. Trying to put a positive spin on the season for him....good coach, great teammates.....will still be a way to improve....
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 8, 2018 10:05:11 GMT -5
The age group my be the reason, what age group is it?
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Post by rifle on Sept 8, 2018 13:46:28 GMT -5
In my observation, club soccer isn’t structured to allow teams to develop and rise on their own strength. It may happen occasionally by some very dedicated effort, but the current system is a mess. The fact of the matter is, the stronger players leave C4 teams and go seek out spots on higher level teams. With so many competing leagues, it is only getting worse. A kid who loves the game and wants to compete needs to get onto a higher level team. Nobody tells you this when your kid is seven, but it is the truth. It’s dog eat dog, and it is a big reason why so many kids abandon the game.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 8, 2018 14:09:12 GMT -5
In my observation, club soccer isn’t structured to allow teams to develop and rise on their own strength. It may happen occasionally by some very dedicated effort, but the current system is a mess. The fact of the matter is, the stronger players leave C4 teams and go seek out spots on higher level teams. With so many competing leagues, it is only getting worse. A kid who loves the game and wants to compete needs to get onto a higher level team. Nobody tells you this when your kid is seven, but it is the truth. It’s dog eat dog, and it is a big reason why so many kids abandon the game. True
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Post by newposter on Sept 8, 2018 14:53:22 GMT -5
As kids get older the talent begins to pool into the bigger clubs. The best players seek out the best players. Happens all the time.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 8, 2018 15:16:34 GMT -5
One of my kids wants to know why, even though his team won C4 by a good margin, he’s playing a prior C5 team and we are traveling 50 miles? He wants to play “real” Classic 3. I don’t blame him. I appreciate the attempt to improve the system and that you can’t please all parents/teams....but forcing this many boy teams in to one C3 division was a poor decision. Trying to put a positive spin on the season for him....good coach, great teammates.....will still be a way to improve.... Sounds like his club asked to be placed in the lower division. I know a lot of teams that won Classic 4 and Athena D requested to move all the way to Classic 2 and Athena D but I guess his club didn’t think the team was up to the challenge. Or it would affect another team that you club pass to or from.
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Post by newposter on Sept 8, 2018 16:49:15 GMT -5
At older ages, bigger club top teams are not in select. They are playing DA, ECNL, NL, SCCL, etc. Georgia Soccer also has to deal with this. I'm guessing this was a club or coach decision.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 8, 2018 17:34:29 GMT -5
It should make it that much easier for his team to move to C2 if thur competition in his C3 bracket is too easy.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 8, 2018 20:29:10 GMT -5
It should make it that much easier for his team to move to C2 if thur competition in his C3 bracket is too easy. True, but it’s essentially a wasted season and/or year if they’re just blowing teams out. But you know trophies are the only thing that matters in youth sports 🙄
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 8, 2018 20:36:24 GMT -5
Not necessarily, they went from C4 to C3, and while some of the games may be easier, it's unlikely they'll all be. And unless it was 10-0 it's good practice. The travel sucks though. That's what the below 2/B re-alignment was supposed to fix.
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Post by delmarva on Sept 10, 2018 11:46:26 GMT -5
From home field to the game was over 50 miles. It was a blow out like many others I’m seeing being posted in all the many classic three divisions. Waste of time and parents on both teams were upset. Our team pulled out our top players, focused on knocking it around and it was lopsided.
Many comments not relevant to our team. We are part of a big club but outside of its main location. We are attracting good players through friendships and local community. We support one another. Several players moved to us after the age mandate as they were not happy (small, younger so not playing much). These boys are now starting to mature and be more competitive.
We didn’t ask for C2 because we won C4 and wanted to be in C3 division. C2 too high.
Also the comment about kids moving to NPL, SCCL, etc etc....please remember that many talented kids don’t have parents who can drive them all over the place 3-4 times a week. Also people seem to not think about the fact that that environment is intimidating for some kids even though they are very talented.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 10, 2018 15:16:52 GMT -5
From home field to the game was over 50 miles. It was a blow out like many others I’m seeing being posted in all the many classic three divisions. Waste of time and parents on both teams were upset. Our team pulled out our top players, focused on knocking it around and it was lopsided. Many comments not relevant to our team. We are part of a big club but outside of its main location. We are attracting good players through friendships and local community. We support one another. Several players moved to us after the age mandate as they were not happy (small, younger so not playing much). These boys are now starting to mature and be more competitive. We didn’t ask for C2 because we won C4 and wanted to be in C3 division. C2 too high. Also the comment about kids moving to NPL, SCCL, etc etc....please remember that many talented kids don’t have parents who can drive them all over the place 3-4 times a week. Also people seem to not think about the fact that that environment is intimidating for some kids even though they are very talented. Our Coach asked for our team to be in Classic III this season (U13 season) but this was before he knew GA Soccer was going to consolidate and get rid of Classic IV/V and we were placed in Classic II instead when the dust settled. I was worried, but after the first two games, I'm not anymore. We are where we should be, and he is a member of a team from a big club also and not at their main location. I would say our Classic II division is probably really has mid range Classic II division teams with upper Classic III division teams in with if you were looking at what GA Soccer used to do in the old format. I assume a lot of high end Classic II teams were promoted to Classic I and a lot of Classic I and other high end Classic II teams were likely promoted to National divisions or went to SCCL. I assume your kid's placement has to do with the directors and coaches. It also has to do I'm sure with if there is a big history of games to look at from previous seasons such as tournament results and other regular season results (in our case academy game scores put into Soccer in College). I feel like they probably do look at that stuff a little bit when pairing the divisions. We had a lot of info in our Soccer in College results, and after looking at the rankings of most of the teams in our division, we are indeed in the right division. I know those rankings aren't always that accurate, but they are reasonably ok to go by for seeding purposes.
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Post by justreading on Sept 10, 2018 15:28:42 GMT -5
50 miles is not that far in Metro Atlanta for a season game. especially if you are traveling from East/West clubs or North/South club
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 10, 2018 18:10:36 GMT -5
50 miles is not that far in Metro Atlanta for a season game. especially if you are traveling from East/West clubs or North/South club Agreed we routinely have to travel 50 miles or more to away games. We've been doing that since the Academy days. It's the nature of the beast of Academy/Select soccer. I would be glad you aren't having to go out of state and/or fly places.
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Post by delmarva on Sept 10, 2018 19:19:32 GMT -5
50 miles is not that far in Metro Atlanta for a season game. especially if you are traveling from East/West clubs or North/South club Agreed we routinely have to travel 50 miles or more to away games. We've been doing that since the Academy days. It's the nature of the beast of Academy/Select soccer. I would be glad you aren't having to go out of state and/or fly places. Agree 50 miles isn’t too bad. I think you all are not collerating this thread to the other one I started. There are 5 to 6 Classic 3 brackets that lump about 60% of the teams in the age group into Classic 3. I asked why this was done, why did they lump all these teams together......Classic 5 teams with Classic 4 and 3 teams and people said it was “to help with travel”. This is why 50 miles was surprising. So, here we are, after one weekend and I did some more math earlier today. For U14 and U15, about half of the games had a goal differential of 4 or more. That’s about 17-18 games out of about 37 games in each age group. About 20% of the games had a goal differential of 6 or more in each age group. I think none of that is a surprise to Ga Soccer and nobody cares.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 11, 2018 10:00:42 GMT -5
Agreed we routinely have to travel 50 miles or more to away games. We've been doing that since the Academy days. It's the nature of the beast of Academy/Select soccer. I would be glad you aren't having to go out of state and/or fly places. Agree 50 miles isn’t too bad. I think you all are not collerating this thread to the other one I started. There are 5 to 6 Classic 3 brackets that lump about 60% of the teams in the age group into Classic 3. I asked why this was done, why did they lump all these teams together......Classic 5 teams with Classic 4 and 3 teams and people said it was “to help with travel”. This is why 50 miles was surprising. So, here we are, after one weekend and I did some more math earlier today. For U14 and U15, about half of the games had a goal differential of 4 or more. That’s about 17-18 games out of about 37 games in each age group. About 20% of the games had a goal differential of 6 or more in each age group. I think none of that is a surprise to Ga Soccer and nobody cares. I can't say I know the method behind the madness that is GA soccer, but maybe with SCCL and so many more promotions than normal this year to other leagues they really didn't have a good way to make good IV/V and D/E brackets. I would hope after the experiment this Fall, maybe they will restructure some things in the Spring since this is supposedly the new norm as far as number of teams go unless SCCL expands again. So maybe they will stick the lower III teams getting blown out in some Classic IV bracket together for Spring in those age groups that have spring seasons still.
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Post by hummingbird on Sept 11, 2018 11:20:24 GMT -5
Is SSA Savannah United in your bracket? That’s a 4 hour drive
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Post by rifle on Sept 12, 2018 16:33:21 GMT -5
Is it simply a case of AGC laziness? Or is it truly an impossible task to rank teams, exacerbated when a new “better” league materializes out of thin air each year... and a lot of teams take the bait.
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Post by goldcoast on Sept 12, 2018 16:48:39 GMT -5
Is it simply a case of AGC laziness? Or is it truly an impossible task to rank teams, exacerbated when a new “better” league materializes out of thin air each year... and a lot of teams take the bait. AGC’s, for the most part look out for their own interests.
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Post by atlsoccer on Sept 13, 2018 7:51:31 GMT -5
Is it simply a case of AGC laziness? Or is it truly an impossible task to rank teams, exacerbated when a new “better” league materializes out of thin air each year... and a lot of teams take the bait. AGC’s, for the most part look out for their own interests. What does this mean? AGC's are volenteers, I don't know what real interest most of them have? They also did not decide to change the structure of classic 1-5 to 1-3A/B/C?
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Post by goldcoast on Sept 13, 2018 9:52:24 GMT -5
AGC’s, for the most part look out for their own interests. What does this mean? AGC's are volenteers, I don't know what real interest most of them have? They also did not decide to change the structure of classic 1-5 to 1-3A/B/C? AGC is a volunteer position, no doubt. I’m sure none of them have ever used the position to construct groupings (no matter the Georgia Soccer structure) or made decisions, in their own individual or clubs best interests or used their relationships with other AGC’s to influence with the same priorities.
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