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Post by straightred on Sept 9, 2018 13:17:10 GMT -5
In four GDA games yesterday Tophat DA scored 36 goals. Their opponent, West Florida Flames, scored once, in the 86th minute, of the last game of the day.
Will results be closer today vs. IMG Academy?
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Post by zizou on Sept 9, 2018 16:40:12 GMT -5
This is an embarrassment to the league. Unless IMG improved considerably in quality over last year this could be a lost weekend for Hatters. Based on yesterday's scores against UFA, though, today is going to be ugly for IMG. Unless UFA has considerably improved in quality themselves. Regardless, there is nothing to be gained from such matches.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 9, 2018 17:56:09 GMT -5
Imagine spending all that money to come up to Atlanta to get hammered like that! What’s the point?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 9, 2018 18:11:25 GMT -5
All the money, time and effort to go to IMG and they consistently have poor showings in Soccer. Not sure why that is with IMG
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 9, 2018 18:15:26 GMT -5
Saw their two older boys teams got ties yesterday against Atlanta united.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 9, 2018 18:18:40 GMT -5
U14 Tophat DA beat them (IMG) 13-0 I heard today. It is unfortunate for both teams. I don't understand how those West Florida and IMG teams are THAT much weaker than Tophat (and UFA).
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 9, 2018 18:41:41 GMT -5
How bad did UFAs 14s beat them?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 9, 2018 18:44:40 GMT -5
How bad did UFAs 14s beat them? Officially I don't think the U14s play each other. It is out of conference for them. UFA would only play them once they get to the U15s and above. Update: Sorry, I was referring to the boys DA
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 9, 2018 19:11:00 GMT -5
How bad did UFAs 14s beat them? Officially I don't think the U14s play each other. It is out of conference for them. UFA would only play them once they get to the U15s and above. U14 girls beat IMG 9-0.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 9, 2018 19:28:22 GMT -5
How bad did UFAs 14s beat them? 9:0 IMG was better last year...not sure what is going on with them. W. Florida Flames was not very good last year
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Post by 04gparent on Sept 9, 2018 20:23:46 GMT -5
Regarding IMG. Officially it doesn’t start until high school so technically the u14 are a feeder club. Unfortunately because you have 2 organizations competing for supremacy (GDA, ECNl) weaker clubs are getting in and thus the quality is going down.
We all would love doe the teams to play each other locally but that issue is bigger than us. It was pretty clear last year that Tophat was the strongest DA club locally last year.
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Post by fanatic21 on Sept 10, 2018 7:31:40 GMT -5
This is part of the reason why my oldest daughter decided not to accept an offer from TH DA. Aside from showcases/playoffs, we predicted that they would have very few competitive games all year. I'm sure the level of competition in training is great, but the lack of competitive games will likely be disappointing.
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Post by 04gparent on Sept 10, 2018 7:48:42 GMT -5
This is part of the reason why my oldest daughter decided not to accept an offer from TH DA. Aside from showcases/playoffs, we predicted that they would have very few competitive games all year. I'm sure the level of competition in training is great, but the lack of competitive games will likely be disappointing. Interesting decision. The fact is TH GDA is head and shoulders above most SE teams (closest is likely NC Courage) which is why DA gave them cross conference games in Texas this year. Choosing DA or ECNL (i assume that is what you chose) is a complex decision. If TH didnt have DA IMO they would be dominating ECNL. The season is early so it will be interesting to see if the Southeast clubs have improved. Shockingly though all the Florida teams (DA and ECNL seem to be pretty weak).
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Post by fridge on Sept 10, 2018 10:17:50 GMT -5
TH is very good, but it would not be "dominating" ECNL. In DA last year CF was on TH heals in the standings and former came in top 2 or 3 in each age group making Natl playoffs. (And NEITHER getting out of group play even though TH had group play advantage with #1 seeds). In ECNL 2 years ago it was the same way w/ TH and CF mostly 1 and 2 and CFs 01s getting to the championship game. 3 years ago CFs 02s got to the final 4 w/ TH eliminated in group play.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 10, 2018 10:24:52 GMT -5
This is part of the reason why my oldest daughter decided not to accept an offer from TH DA. Aside from showcases/playoffs, we predicted that they would have very few competitive games all year. I'm sure the level of competition in training is great, but the lack of competitive games will likely be disappointing. Interesting decision. The fact is TH GDA is head and shoulders above most SE teams (closest is likely NC Courage) which is why DA gave them cross conference games in Texas this year. Choosing DA or ECNL (i assume that is what you chose) is a complex decision. If TH didnt have DA IMO they would be dominating ECNL. The season is early so it will be interesting to see if the Southeast clubs have improved. Shockingly though all the Florida teams (DA and ECNL seem to be pretty weak). The cross conference games with TX and PA were done because of CF leaving GDA. TH and UFA were going to have 3 less games and this was the solution
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Post by 04gparent on Sept 10, 2018 13:48:29 GMT -5
TH is very good, but it would not be "dominating" ECNL. In DA last year CF was on TH heals in the standings and former came in top 2 or 3 in each age group making Natl playoffs. (And NEITHER getting out of group play even though TH had group play advantage with #1 seeds). In ECNL 2 years ago it was the same way w/ TH and CF mostly 1 and 2 and CFs 01s getting to the championship game. 3 years ago CFs 02s got to the final 4 w/ TH eliminated in group play. fridge thanks for bringing the facts. Let me add some clarity and context to my statement. When I said dominating I was talking in terms of the Southeast. No shade on CF. I wish they still had GDA. The competition between the 2 clubs is good for firls soccer in Atlanta. Lastly, truth be told no club east of the Miss river made it out the group stage last year in GDA at nationals. CF should be able to make some real noice in ECNL this year... Should be fun to watch. I with their was only one top of the pyramid league so we could compare the top teams from both clubs...
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Post by fridge on Sept 10, 2018 14:09:02 GMT -5
TH is very good, but it would not be "dominating" ECNL. In DA last year CF was on TH heals in the standings and former came in top 2 or 3 in each age group making Natl playoffs. (And NEITHER getting out of group play even though TH had group play advantage with #1 seeds). In ECNL 2 years ago it was the same way w/ TH and CF mostly 1 and 2 and CFs 01s getting to the championship game. 3 years ago CFs 02s got to the final 4 w/ TH eliminated in group play. fridge thanks for bringing the facts. Let me add some clarity and context to my statement. When I said dominating I was talking in terms of the Southeast. No shade on CF. I wish they still had GDA. The competition between the 2 clubs is good for firls soccer in Atlanta. Lastly, truth be told no club east of the Miss river made it out the group stage last year in GDA at nationals. CF should be able to make some real noice in ECNL this year... Should be fun to watch. I with their was only one top of the pyramid league so we could compare the top teams from both clubs... 04gparent I appreciate your tone! I fully ack. TH is a GREAT club; I am just a little defensive when the TH nation goes a overboard. Yes, it is too bad these two clubs can't compete directly--it hurts the girls and it's a wonderful rivalry. I am very interested to see what happens next year w/ TH between DA/ECNL. I think ECNL will force TH to make a decision regardless of how well they do. ECNL didn't have the leverage to force every club's hand last year and I suspect the GA clubs will force a decision through ECNL.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 10, 2018 14:15:06 GMT -5
Yes, this is the dumbest question of 2018 -- will the clubs Tophat/CF even plan scrimmages against each other?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 10, 2018 14:46:59 GMT -5
fridge thanks for bringing the facts. Let me add some clarity and context to my statement. When I said dominating I was talking in terms of the Southeast. No shade on CF. I wish they still had GDA. The competition between the 2 clubs is good for firls soccer in Atlanta. Lastly, truth be told no club east of the Miss river made it out the group stage last year in GDA at nationals. CF should be able to make some real noice in ECNL this year... Should be fun to watch. I with their was only one top of the pyramid league so we could compare the top teams from both clubs... 04gparent I appreciate your tone! I fully ack. TH is a GREAT club; I am just a little defensive when the TH nation goes a overboard. Yes, it is too bad these two clubs can't compete directly--it hurts the girls and it's a wonderful rivalry. I am very interested to see what happens next year w/ TH between DA/ECNL. I think ECNL will force TH to make a decision regardless of how well they do. ECNL didn't have the leverage to force every club's hand last year and I suspect the GA clubs will force a decision through ECNL. I think it is a mistake to force Tophat to choose as long as they can compete in both. Losing them out of either program weakens it. There are a few clubs that have tremendous depth and should do both as it offers the kids the ability to pick their path that they think is right for them. Anyone who says they should be forced to choose is making that statement for their own gain/benefit, not the benefit of the athletes/kids.
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Post by fridge on Sept 11, 2018 10:13:10 GMT -5
04gparent I appreciate your tone! I fully ack. TH is a GREAT club; I am just a little defensive when the TH nation goes a overboard. Yes, it is too bad these two clubs can't compete directly--it hurts the girls and it's a wonderful rivalry. I am very interested to see what happens next year w/ TH between DA/ECNL. I think ECNL will force TH to make a decision regardless of how well they do. ECNL didn't have the leverage to force every club's hand last year and I suspect the GA clubs will force a decision through ECNL. I think it is a mistake to force Tophat to choose as long as they can compete in both. Losing them out of either program weakens it. There are a few clubs that have tremendous depth and should do both as it offers the kids the ability to pick their path that they think is right for them. Anyone who says they should be forced to choose is making that statement for their own gain/benefit, not the benefit of the athletes/kids. There is no dispute the TH has more depth overall and should be competitive. BUT, CF last year in ECNL with its second teams were still mid tier in virtually every age group save one. They were clearly more competitive than a couple of the Florida clubs and, if I recall, equally competitive to AFU. These leagues (ECNL and DA) don't care about "competition" at this point. Indeed, look at some of the new clubs to join DA--I've never heard of them. Rather, it is about survival. I think TH didn't help itself by announcing being the "only club in GA with DA and ECNL." That will come back to haunt them I would think. But, we will see. It will be very interesting!
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Post by atlsoccer on Sept 11, 2018 11:49:33 GMT -5
I think it is a mistake to force Tophat to choose as long as they can compete in both. Losing them out of either program weakens it. There are a few clubs that have tremendous depth and should do both as it offers the kids the ability to pick their path that they think is right for them. Anyone who says they should be forced to choose is making that statement for their own gain/benefit, not the benefit of the athletes/kids. There is no dispute the TH has more depth overall and should be competitive. BUT, CF last year in ECNL with its second teams were still mid tier in virtually every age group save one. They were clearly more competitive than a couple of the Florida clubs and, if I recall, equally competitive to AFU. These leagues (ECNL and DA) don't care about "competition" at this point. Indeed, look at some of the new clubs to join DA--I've never heard of them. Rather, it is about survival. I think TH didn't help itself by announcing being the "only club in GA with DA and ECNL." That will come back to haunt them I would think. But, we will see. It will be very interesting! One thing that I am not sure anyone is considering is the kids Concorde lost as the result of giving up DA. Someone speak up and tell me if I am wrong, I do not have first-hand knowledge. But my assumption, especially after looking at their ECNL scores, is that Concorde lost a good bit of talent from the last year. I'd also assume the top kids lost ended up at Tophat, making them even deeper. This would still leave them with strong top ECNL teams but would explain while almost every 2nd team is at the bottom of the ECNL standings, minus the u13 and u14s which they share with SSA. With that said, it is still likely to early to be sure.
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Post by futbolpadre on Sept 11, 2018 12:37:29 GMT -5
ATLsoccer - you are correct. I can only speak of 05 Girls with direct knowledge, but in that group - 3 girls from 05 CF ECNL went to 05 TH DA, another went to 04 UFA DA, and two more are playing up with the 04 CF ECNL. So 05 CF ECNL lost 5 or 6 starters with the majority going to TH. I think TH probably got 2-4 CF girls at each age group to play DA, making them even stronger and thus their ECNL team will be strong as well, if some dropped down to ECNL to make room.
It will be interesting to see how this year plays out, and IF TH has to choose between DA and ECNL next year, if some girls come back to CF. These have been the top 2 girls programs in the SE in most age groups and its too bad the top teams will no longer play each other (and they are 15 minutes apart in geography).
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Post by fridge on Sept 11, 2018 14:14:01 GMT -5
CF kids who went to TH was not as bad as expected
00--zero 01--zero 02--2 03--1 (maybe two) 04 and 05--see above
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