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Post by shaka on Sept 15, 2018 21:12:25 GMT -5
Looking for some clarification about the rules for coaching both high school and ECNL. If an ECNL coach has players on his/her team who are in high school, is the ECNL coach allowed to also coach a high school team? I believe the ECNL coach can also coach high school, but cannot have the same players from his/her ECNL team also be on his/her high school team?
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Post by newposter on Sept 15, 2018 22:59:15 GMT -5
ECNL coaches are not allowed to coach their own high school players. That is a violation of GHSA rules.
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Post by shaka on Sept 16, 2018 7:54:14 GMT -5
I assume the GHSA rule applies to any High School coach not being allowed to coach their own high school players at the club level? SCCL, Classic/Athena, etc.?
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Post by crossbar on Sept 16, 2018 7:59:44 GMT -5
ECNL coaches are not allowed to coach their own high school players. That is a violation of GHSA rules. This is correct. The rule comes from the GHSA side. It doesn’t matter which club level/organizing body is involved. High school coaches can’t cosch their own players for club soccer. Also: my understanding is that you can’t coach players that attend your school if you are a high school coach, regardless of gender of the players/your team. So, for example, if you are the girls high school coach, you can’t coach a club team with any boys players from your high school. I understand not being allowed to coach your players year round, but the application of the rule to players of the opposite gender seems dumb and unnecessarily limits access to decent coaches, especially in smaller, outlying areas.
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Post by shaka on Sept 16, 2018 9:08:04 GMT -5
Got it. Thank you for the explanations
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Post by newposter on Sept 16, 2018 10:35:04 GMT -5
I do not believe it applies to coaches coaching the gender they don't coach in high school.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 16, 2018 13:40:18 GMT -5
I know a coach at a private school that coaches two of his own club players, even posts pictures of the club team on their social media account.
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Post by newposter on Sept 16, 2018 14:24:43 GMT -5
My guess is they don't play under GHSA rules because they are not a member school. Many of the private schools in Georgia play under GISA rules. These schools would have difficulty competing in GHSA games. If not, the coach will be found out and reported. The AD should immediately step in.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 16, 2018 17:48:26 GMT -5
My guess is they don't play under GHSA rules because they are not a member school. Many of the private schools in Georgia play under GISA rules. These schools would have difficulty competing in GHSA games. If not, the coach will be found out and reported. The AD should immediately step in. It is a member GHSA school, it's a private school that plays in the Spring in the local Atlanta area against schools like Lovett, Pace, etc
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Post by newposter on Sept 16, 2018 18:53:37 GMT -5
Do you mean in the spring. GHSA member schools do not have a fall schedule. If fall, it's not a varsity team and nobody cares. GHSA only really looks at varsity. They trust sub-varsity teams to follow rules on an honor system. Still not abiding by rules however.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 16, 2018 19:18:31 GMT -5
Yes I meant Spring, its a member GHSA school, will edit my previous post.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 16, 2018 20:33:09 GMT -5
So why is this a rule? Seems kind of dumb to me. Is it a recruiting thing? Just not understanding the reason for it
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Post by newposter on Sept 16, 2018 22:35:57 GMT -5
It could be that they coach only 2 players in club. More than 2 players out of season is considered an illegal practice by GHSA standards. School should evaluate as if it gets out other schools will turn them in. Grayson girls soccer forfeited the entire girls season and a state runner up finish because of player issue.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 16, 2018 22:54:24 GMT -5
It could be that they coach only 2 players in club. More than 2 players out of season is considered an illegal practice by GHSA standards. School should evaluate as if it gets out other schools will turn them in. Grayson girls soccer forfeited the entire girls season and a state runner up finish because of player issue. Grayson forfeited because they had an ineligible player in their roster. And GHSA did nothing until after the season was over, even though they knew about it beforehand.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 17, 2018 7:28:01 GMT -5
It could be that they coach only 2 players in club. More than 2 players out of season is considered an illegal practice by GHSA standards. School should evaluate as if it gets out other schools will turn them in. Grayson girls soccer forfeited the entire girls season and a state runner up finish because of player issue. The rule states even one player is a violation.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 17, 2018 7:28:55 GMT -5
So why is this a rule? Seems kind of dumb to me. Is it a recruiting thing? Just not understanding the reason for it It's a perception of fairness issue, if several players that you coach for club also play for the same coach at HS it creates problems.
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Post by justreading on Sept 17, 2018 12:30:57 GMT -5
Here is the link to GHSA bylaws. Community/Lay Coaches section starts on Page 27 at the top. www.ghsa.net/sites/default/files/documents/Constitution/Constitution2018-19Completecx16.pdfTechnically they can't have coached any players on the team for the previous 12 months. But also they are not allowed to have coached during the school term, they are only allowed to coach during summer when school is not in session. So from what I read in the bylaws and the process to become a community coach, no active coaches in Academy/Select/US Club etc that even have a professional coaching license can ever be a HS community coach. Community Coach is defined as a person who does not have a professional-level certification, who relates in role and function to a professional and does a portion of the professional's job or tasks under the supervision of the professional, and whose decision-making authority is limited and regulated by the professional. Community coaches may not coach out of season with any community team that has one or more students from the GHSA member school at which that person coaches on that team. Community coaches may not coach an out-of-school team during the schoolterm. They are allowed to coach out-of-school teams during the summer months ONLY when school is not in session. No person who has coached a non-GHSA team in a sport or activity within the previous twelve (12)months may be hired or utilized by a GHSA member school in that same sport or activity IF any of that GHSA school’s players participated on the non-GHSA team that person coached. Community coaches may coach for only one board of education annually, regardless of whether or not they are paid for their services Community coaches may not coach the same sport at more than one school even if there are multiple schools in the system.
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Post by olderthandirt on Sept 17, 2018 13:47:21 GMT -5
So why is this a rule? Seems kind of dumb to me. Is it a recruiting thing? Just not understanding the reason for it It's a perception of fairness issue, if several players that you coach for club also play for the same coach at HS it creates problems. As I recall, this rule was instituted by GHSA to preclude coaches from running a program year-around for their sport, whether as a teacher or a lay coach. If my memory is correct, it was implemented to curb football practice out-of-season, but it may have been a different sport.
In any event, where the sport in question is not one where there are a lot of teachers who are also good coaches (soccer, of course, lacrosse, swimming, tennis, golf all come to mind immediately), the rule severely limits the community coaches who are available to coach for the high schools.
What it boils down to is that club coaches who wish to coach for a high school must limit themselves to coaching players who have not yet entered the 8th grade. I know several club coaches who are also long-time high school coaches who have just coached at the younger age groups in club.
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Post by shaka on Sept 17, 2018 14:52:22 GMT -5
You can coach High School soccer and Coach High School age players at the club level, but your Club players can't also play for you in high school
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Post by olderthandirt on Sept 17, 2018 16:00:22 GMT -5
You can coach High School soccer and Coach High School age players at the club level, but your Club players can't also play for you in high school Very true, as far as it goes.
First of all, I question how many club coaches know what high school(s) all of their players attend. I can almost guarantee that some coaches that my children had in club had no idea what high school they attended. It didn't end up an issue because none of these coaches were high school community coaches, but if they had showed up at high school tryouts, there'd have been an issue.
Second, if the club coach decides to coach only players who are in the 7th grade or below, they can virtually never have an issue, so they don't have to even think about it. Yeah, maybe there's a possibility of a player who skips the 8th grade and plays Varsity soccer as a 9th grader - but I'd be willing to wager that this is much more of a theoretical situation than an actual situation.
The high school community coaches that I know choose the virtually guaranteed route.
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Post by crossbar on Sept 17, 2018 16:49:32 GMT -5
Some high school coaches also travel to do their coaching at more distant clubs to prevent the conflict.
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Post by shaka on Sept 17, 2018 17:18:16 GMT -5
I know the Parkview girls varsity coach also coaches the GSA U15 ECNL girls & if I remember correctly the school is directly across the street from GSA. That’s unusual I assume
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Post by Keeper on Sept 17, 2018 20:13:28 GMT -5
Yep. JH at Parkview doesn’t coach Gsa / Parkview players directly but he seems to schedule A LOT of scrimmages against his Parkview teams and ECNL teams at Gsa. Watched two of them last year as one of my club players was on the Parkview team. Funny how Parkview and Gsa get away with rule breaking but Grayson got the death penalty for not having a piece of paper signed. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Sept 17, 2018 20:31:09 GMT -5
Yep. JH at Parkview doesn’t coach Gsa / Parkview players directly but he seems to schedule A LOT of scrimmages against his Parkview teams and ECNL teams at Gsa. Watched two of them last year as one of my club players was on the Parkview team. Funny how Parkview and Gsa get away with rule breaking but Grayson got the death penalty for not having a piece of paper signed. 🤷🏻♂️ Wonder if ghsa knows this. I'm sure my daughters high school would like to know. They lost to them in the State Semi's last year
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 17, 2018 21:19:21 GMT -5
Yep. JH at Parkview doesn’t coach Gsa / Parkview players directly but he seems to schedule A LOT of scrimmages against his Parkview teams and ECNL teams at Gsa. Watched two of them last year as one of my club players was on the Parkview team. Funny how Parkview and Gsa get away with rule breaking but Grayson got the death penalty for not having a piece of paper signed. 🤷🏻♂️ Wonder if ghsa knows this. I'm sure my daughters high school would like to know. They lost to them in the State Semi's last year The Grayson thing was 2 years ago...Spring 2017. And the issue was more than a piece of paper. GHSA knew about the issue before the final game against Lambert and let them play only to DQ them after.
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