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Post by soccermaxx72 on Nov 4, 2018 21:34:03 GMT -5
I know last year there were rumors of not allowing ECNL or DA players play in future state cups. Also with the whole SCCL issue, anyone seen anything official on how all the teams will be seeded and will all these players actually be eliminated from the state cup?
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 4, 2018 22:26:59 GMT -5
I don't care who plays. Just hope to God it's not in Columbus.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 4, 2018 23:03:20 GMT -5
ECNL (US Club) players haven’t been allowed to play State Cup for years. But there are loopholes around that....
And no they didn’t close those loopholes.
And of course it’s back in Columbus, Ga. Ga Soccer has already confirmed their hotel rooms down there for staff and refs.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 0:44:10 GMT -5
Something I've learned...just because they have the ECNL patch doesn't mean they play for the ECNL team. They may play full-time for the Athena team and can be pulled up to join the ECNL team. As opposed to ECNL players who play down.
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Post by Strikermom on Nov 5, 2018 8:34:42 GMT -5
The concern for my daughter's team is we are unbeaten in Athena A U18, and have beaten teams handily. The team is 80% seniors who will have graduated by the time round robin starts for them after Memorial Day, and many already have jobs. Other than making it to regionals for the younger teammates, is there a reason for them to play? We are going to be discussing this as a team before the holidays.
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Post by girlsoccer on Nov 5, 2018 8:34:53 GMT -5
Something I've learned...just because they have the ECNL patch doesn't mean they play for the ECNL team. They may play full-time for the Athena team and can be pulled up to join the ECNL team. As opposed to ECNL players who play down. If they actually play full-time on Athena A then why put the patch on their jerseys?
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Post by soccerdad23 on Nov 5, 2018 8:46:33 GMT -5
ECNL (US Club) players haven’t been allowed to play State Cup for years. But there are loopholes around that.... And no they didn’t close those loopholes. And of course it’s back in Columbus, Ga. Ga Soccer has already confirmed their hotel rooms down there for staff and refs. Why in the world would it be put back in Columbus?!?! Last year was pulled off finding facilities in 3-4 days around Metro and had more positive comments about the State Cup than all years prior because it served the paying customers where they are! How tone deaf if this group at GA Soccer? Or what is pulling the strings to have it at Columbus?
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Post by Strikermom on Nov 5, 2018 8:49:12 GMT -5
Lanierland and Roswell were great venues for all the teams, why move it???
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Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 5, 2018 8:57:01 GMT -5
ECNL (US Club) players haven’t been allowed to play State Cup for years. But there are loopholes around that.... And no they didn’t close those loopholes. And of course it’s back in Columbus, Ga. Ga Soccer has already confirmed their hotel rooms down there for staff and refs. Why in the world would it be put back in Columbus?!?! Last year was pulled off finding facilities in 3-4 days around Metro and had more positive comments about the State Cup than all years prior because it served the paying customers where they are! How tone deaf if this group at GA Soccer? Or what is pulling the strings to have it at Columbus? If the games are local that means no hotel rooms and no potential kickback revenue for the host 🤔
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 9:38:45 GMT -5
Something I've learned...just because they have the ECNL patch doesn't mean they play for the ECNL team. They may play full-time for the Athena team and can be pulled up to join the ECNL team. As opposed to ECNL players who play down. If they actually play full-time on Athena A then why put the patch on their jerseys? Because it makes them feel special? I dunno.
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Post by Strikermom on Nov 5, 2018 9:49:02 GMT -5
If they play in any ECNL games, are dual rostered, they need to have the patches on.
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Post by crossbar on Nov 5, 2018 9:56:35 GMT -5
Something I've learned...just because they have the ECNL patch doesn't mean they play for the ECNL team. They may play full-time for the Athena team and can be pulled up to join the ECNL team. As opposed to ECNL players who play down. Some kids also get dropped to a lower team, but they only buy new kits every two years. So if they were on the ECNL squad during the first year of their new kits, but then moved to a lower team in the second year... They'll still have the patch.
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Post by atlsoccer on Nov 5, 2018 10:00:35 GMT -5
The concern for my daughter's team is we are unbeaten in Athena A U18, and have beaten teams handily. The team is 80% seniors who will have graduated by the time round robin starts for them after Memorial Day, and many already have jobs. Other than making it to regionals for the younger teammates, is there a reason for them to play? We are going to be discussing this as a team before the holidays. I can think of a few. First, state cup has generally attracted a decent bit of college coaches and there is usually one or two seniors that don't have their plans finalized in addition to their younger teammates. I think it also really is a disservice to the younger players on the team (if they wanted to play). With that said, I think this is something that should be addressed in preseason to set an expectation. It is a common problem with other teams. I am not an expert in the age group, but you also have to take into account the 4-8 RPL teams in the age group depending on girls or boys. I am sure they would be better competition than what you received in season.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 5, 2018 10:09:55 GMT -5
The concern for my daughter's team is we are unbeaten in Athena A U18, and have beaten teams handily. The team is 80% seniors who will have graduated by the time round robin starts for them after Memorial Day, and many already have jobs. Other than making it to regionals for the younger teammates, is there a reason for them to play? We are going to be discussing this as a team before the holidays. This just sucks. Because I completely understand why a HS senior that just graduated has a busy summer and may not want to do all this. But it does sucks for the Juniors and younger players since they aren’t their yet. It’s just a lose / lose situation. You know what fixes this? Going back to the academic year for teams since enrollment in youth soccer nationwide is down nearly 15% since that idiotic move. And oh I don’t know having the school year extend into the 2nd week of June like 2/3s of the USA. But GA understands education and knows all since we’re just happy being better then AL & MS...
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 10:23:39 GMT -5
I don't see that (ECNL patch) as a requirement in the documentation. A club may pull a player from their club to play in an ECNL game and then return to their regular team. They are then on the club team roster for the remainder of the year and a club can have a maximum roster of 30 players per year (18 on a game day). Reads as though the goal is flexibility.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 5, 2018 11:47:46 GMT -5
The concern for my daughter's team is we are unbeaten in Athena A U18, and have beaten teams handily. The team is 80% seniors who will have graduated by the time round robin starts for them after Memorial Day, and many already have jobs. Other than making it to regionals for the younger teammates, is there a reason for them to play? We are going to be discussing this as a team before the holidays. No reason to play. Why risk the injury and spend the money in Columbus? Finish your regular season on a high note and call it a career. Spend the saved money on a great team farewell party in Atlanta - rent a boat on Lake Allatoona or Lake Lanier.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 12:28:51 GMT -5
After HS back in 1993 our club team played a tournament down in Pensacola that didn't matter for anything. No parents, just a last hurrah if you will. It was fun, I'd recommend it.
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Post by Strikermom on Nov 5, 2018 12:46:50 GMT -5
Like the trip idea, also with high school soccer ending it is always a strain. We already have several college commitments in the senior group, and not sure if they want to risk injury as well. Will be interesting what is decided.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Nov 5, 2018 14:08:21 GMT -5
Something I've learned...just because they have the ECNL patch doesn't mean they play for the ECNL team. They may play full-time for the Athena team and can be pulled up to join the ECNL team. As opposed to ECNL players who play down. If they actually play full-time on Athena A then why put the patch on their jerseys? Exactly!! I know multiple clubs that have full time ECNL players that had full time ECNL players play in last years state cup. These were not bench players or floaters, these were ECNL starters.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 14:41:38 GMT -5
I am in agreement here. ECNL players who haven't played for the Athena team during the season shouldn't be playing with that team in state cup. Sorry if you're short-handed because some players don't want to take part in the tournament, so it goes. Maybe promote from a lower or younger team.
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Post by atlsoccer on Nov 5, 2018 16:41:40 GMT -5
I am in agreement here. ECNL players who haven't played for the Athena team during the season shouldn't be playing with that team in state cup. Sorry if you're short-handed because some players don't want to take part in the tournament, so it goes. Maybe promote from a lower or younger team. Not that I don't agree with you atlfutboldad, add ringers (I won't limit it to just ecnl) shouldn't happen. With that said, I don't know any parents or coaches that given the option of two players would take the weaker one to state cup with them, I am also not sure that would be fair to their team as a whole. I imagine they would have a similar attitude, sorry we have access to high level players to fill in the gaps, which technical is within the rules. Deal with it...
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 17:05:03 GMT -5
Its really a loophole GA soccer should have closed. A pretty simple one to do so. Require every player in state cup to have been rostered with the team from the start of the fall and played at least 2 games. It would easily rule out the DA players. Other alphabet league players it'd make it a bit harder but not impossible.
Mine was in a similar predicament with another league (possibly making another player sit for a game), which I begrudgingly accepted. The coach was adamant she play.
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