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Post by soccermaxx72 on Nov 4, 2018 21:44:11 GMT -5
With all the changes, anyone have a clue on relegation/promotion for different Athena / classic levels. Is it top 2/bottom 2 like past?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 0:34:33 GMT -5
U13 - Im guessing A will relegate bottom 2, then promote 6 from B. B will likely relegate 2 and promote 2 from each C.
For all the others A will likely relegate 2, B will then relegate enough to promote 2 from each C.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 0:45:54 GMT -5
That said, I'm of the opinion that they should fill as many brackets as possible with 12-13 teams. Anything less than 11 games is a weak season.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 9:41:13 GMT -5
That's just how SRPL/Piedmont works. 4 teams from each age group on the girls and 8 from the boys.
This goes back to the discussion of the problems of our alphabet leagues. SSA and AFC have gone a long way to try and get into the exclusive higher levels.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 5, 2018 9:42:03 GMT -5
Promotion is only guaranteed to the first place team, 2nd place can ask depending on points and how many teams are relegated. Relegation is also based off points, typically if you get to double digit points then you won’t be relegated.
From what I’ve heard is they are looking to make flights smaller with 7-8 teams with possibility of playing some teams twice. I think ideally they’d like brackets with 5-7 local teams and play Home & Home to avoid long distance travel.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 9:47:00 GMT -5
7-8 teams with home and home is good, but they need to allow a lot of room for movement. On the athena side there probably needs to be an east-west at the A and B levels. Add in a mini tourney dry and of the season to determine level champion (top 2 teams from east and west, single elimination).
Im in favor of VERY aggressive promotion/ regulation.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 5, 2018 10:02:02 GMT -5
Im in favor of VERY aggressive promotion/ regulation. Never going to happen when club coaches and club admins are in charge of placement. It’s politics and they aren’t going to make one club upset by dropping a team that could stay. It’s like trusting a republican to not steal, cheat or shoot their hunting partner. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 10:29:21 GMT -5
Which is why there needs to be a unified system from USSF/USCS/USYS/GA soccer. Break the Tophat stranglehold on the state.
If they hate competition they can stick to expanding SCCL.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 5, 2018 10:37:41 GMT -5
Which is why there needs to be a unified system from USSF/USCS/USYS/GA soccer. Break the Tophat stranglehold on the state. If they hate competition they can stick to expanding SCCL. Hahaha funny you think it’s Tophat. I mean maybe Nasa since they run TH now but try clubs with C, U, and G.... Unification would be nice but this is Merica where we prefer corruption and status.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 5, 2018 10:43:00 GMT -5
Which is why there needs to be a unified system from USSF/USCS/USYS/GA soccer. Break the Tophat stranglehold on the state. If they hate competition they can stick to expanding SCCL. Care to elaborate on your comments? Do you think NTH gets favorable placements from GA Soccer?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 11:44:26 GMT -5
Not a whole lot of evidence, just the collective groans when you talk to parents at other clubs about TH. Maybe its not NTH with the stranglehold, but given they typically have 6-9 teams at any age level, it would seem to make sense that it would be the club with the most teams that benefit/lose on a decision when talking about who holds the most sway over GA soccer. But its just an observation from the outside.
I think a unified system is easily the best way to go in terms of putting the best interests of kids forward, and I have no doubt that TH would place AT LEAST one team in every bracket of said system. So clubs like this should have nothing to fear, right? GSA's statement about the creation of SCCL in the summer (now club-based, so we can "plan on it") spoke volumes to me regarding the fact that SCCL was financially oriented, planning/forecasting/recruiting/etc. A unified system would allow for planning as soon as a bracket is won/decided also, but you couldn't guarantee your club has a team which qualifies for a higher bracket (money/players lost?).
The real point is that it all starts at the top and works downward. Promotion/relegation should be something every team aspires to and dreads and should know the exact criteria before the season. The whole thing needs to be better organized from the top-down. The US has a larger population than ANY country which qualified for the WC, yet cannot produce a qualifier or even a team that makes the group stage regularly at the WC? Perhaps its the systems in place that are the problem? USSF COULD have fixed things by providing leadership and working with all parties to create the best possible system...but instead decided it would just be another organization playing politics and creating their own league at additional expense. USSF needed to study Brazil, Germany, England, France, Mexico and Spain and model a system that copies the best traits of each, along with a pathway to getting the US to this model. Otherwise we will always have parents and clubs bizatching about politics and players languishing if they cannot pay to play at the biggest clubs or manage to drive to them...
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Nov 5, 2018 11:49:57 GMT -5
Which is why there needs to be a unified system from USSF/USCS/USYS/GA soccer. Break the Tophat stranglehold on the state. If they hate competition they can stick to expanding SCCL. Care to elaborate on your comments? Do you think NTH gets favorable placements from GA Soccer? I find it funny there are so many people on this forum that enjoy putting down Tophat on this site. I feel that there is so much jealoulsy and bias toward this club. This club continues to have 4-5 teams from DA down to Athena that preform extremely well but get told it is because of preferred treatment. In some conferences it is their 3-4 team that is beating other team first team. I am also sure if NPL was run better Tophat would have never left. I am also sure for the parents of the NPL players that are bashing Tophat that if given the opportunity they would love the opportunity to play your team.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 5, 2018 12:11:25 GMT -5
Care to elaborate on your comments? Do you think NTH gets favorable placements from GA Soccer? I find it funny there are so many people on this forum that enjoy putting down Tophat on this site. I feel that there is so much jealoulsy and bias toward this club. This club continues to have 4-5 teams from DA down to Athena that preform extremely well but get told it is because of preferred treatment. In some conferences it is their 3-4 team that is beating other team first team. I am also sure if NPL was run better Tophat would have never left. I am also sure for the parents of the NPL players that are bashing Tophat that if given the opportunity they would love the opportunity to play your team. NPL is not the same as NL. NL is National League which is US youth soccer run and is what was RPL/NL and is now Piedmont Conference/NL. NPL is US Club soccer run (like ECNL and SCCL) and was in place prior to this year and AFC, SSA and UFA (clubs without ECNL) participated in it IN ADDITION to Georgia Soccer/RPL. Now SSA and UFA do instead of Georgia Soccer/Piedmont Conference. AFC gets to do both. Please keep these separate because they are different things. Otherwise I agree with your post. Tophat is top to bottom the deepest and best club for girls if you look at wins and losses and also scholarship placement. That doesn't mean it is the right club for everyone. I respect Tophat for what they have done overall.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Nov 5, 2018 12:36:00 GMT -5
I find it funny there are so many people on this forum that enjoy putting down Tophat on this site. I feel that there is so much jealoulsy and bias toward this club. This club continues to have 4-5 teams from DA down to Athena that preform extremely well but get told it is because of preferred treatment. In some conferences it is their 3-4 team that is beating other team first team. I am also sure if NPL was run better Tophat would have never left. I am also sure for the parents of the NPL players that are bashing Tophat that if given the opportunity they would love the opportunity to play your team. NPL is not the same as NL. NL is National League which is US youth soccer run and is what was RPL/NL and is now Piedmont Conference/NL. NPL is US Club soccer run (like ECNL and SCCL) and was in place prior to this year and AFC, SSA and UFA (clubs without ECNL) participated in it IN ADDITION to Georgia Soccer/RPL. Now SSA and UFA do instead of Georgia Soccer/Piedmont Conference. AFC gets to do both. Please keep these separate because they are different things. Otherwise I agree with your post. Tophat is top to bottom the deepest and best club for girls if you look at wins and losses and also scholarship placement. That doesn't mean it is the right club for everyone. I respect Tophat for what they have done overall. Oraclesfriend I do apologise for the mistakes in divisions Like numerous people on this site I am still learning. I do agree with you that Tophat may not be the right choice for everyone Parents as well as kids have to decide what is best for them because it is a big financial commitment as well as time. Every club no matter who you are has it positives as well as negatives. What I disagree on is everyone bashing another club instead of promoting yours. When we were looking for another club 3 of the 4 coaches we spoke to were bashing the other clubs. Tophat was the only one that promoted to my daughter and I what they could do not what the other clubs couldn't. Some of the coaches at Tophat I spoke with promoted other clubs based on there knowledge of the goalie coaches but sold us on the entire picture. Was it the right choice? As of now it has been the right choice. She has improved big time. The only negative is now she won't have the chance to play at State Cup for a state Championship
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 5, 2018 14:23:32 GMT -5
NPL is not the same as NL. NL is National League which is US youth soccer run and is what was RPL/NL and is now Piedmont Conference/NL. NPL is US Club soccer run (like ECNL and SCCL) and was in place prior to this year and AFC, SSA and UFA (clubs without ECNL) participated in it IN ADDITION to Georgia Soccer/RPL. Now SSA and UFA do instead of Georgia Soccer/Piedmont Conference. AFC gets to do both. Please keep these separate because they are different things. Otherwise I agree with your post. Tophat is top to bottom the deepest and best club for girls if you look at wins and losses and also scholarship placement. That doesn't mean it is the right club for everyone. I respect Tophat for what they have done overall. Oraclesfriend I do apologise for the mistakes in divisions Like numerous people on this site I am still learning. I do agree with you that Tophat may not be the right choice for everyone Parents as well as kids have to decide what is best for them because it is a big financial commitment as well as time. Every club no matter who you are has it positives as well as negatives. What I disagree on is everyone bashing another club instead of promoting yours. When we were looking for another club 3 of the 4 coaches we spoke to were bashing the other clubs. Tophat was the only one that promoted to my daughter and I what they could do not what the other clubs couldn't. Some of the coaches at Tophat I spoke with promoted other clubs based on there knowledge of the goalie coaches but sold us on the entire picture. Was it the right choice? As of now it has been the right choice. She has improved big time. The only negative is now she won't have the chance to play at State Cup for a state Championship I hope you did not think I was being mean with my correction. This forum is meant for people to learn the ropes and you are not alone in being confused about the NL and NPL issue. I was just correcting it so as not to have further confusion. As for Tophat, we are not there, but have friends there and I promote that club to others when I can. I have few complaints regarding Tophat...there are only a few things I would nitpick on but they are just tiny things and nothing is perfect in my mind. I am glad you found a place that works for you. As for State Cup it keeps getting watered down which is a shame.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 5, 2018 14:38:45 GMT -5
Despite my bizatching I generally don't have issue with TH. In my experiences with different clubs playing against TH, they seem to get the majority of the calls, but that's not on the club so much as the ref (possibly the same ref in a couple different games). There was a particularly nasty player for TH in academy cup final a couple years ago, but she was handled.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Nov 5, 2018 15:04:38 GMT -5
Oraclesfriend I do apologise for the mistakes in divisions Like numerous people on this site I am still learning. I do agree with you that Tophat may not be the right choice for everyone Parents as well as kids have to decide what is best for them because it is a big financial commitment as well as time. Every club no matter who you are has it positives as well as negatives. What I disagree on is everyone bashing another club instead of promoting yours. When we were looking for another club 3 of the 4 coaches we spoke to were bashing the other clubs. Tophat was the only one that promoted to my daughter and I what they could do not what the other clubs couldn't. Some of the coaches at Tophat I spoke with promoted other clubs based on there knowledge of the goalie coaches but sold us on the entire picture. Was it the right choice? As of now it has been the right choice. She has improved big time. The only negative is now she won't have the chance to play at State Cup for a state Championship I hope you did not think I was being mean with my correction. This forum is meant for people to learn the ropes and you are not alone in being confused about the NL and NPL issue. I was just correcting it so as not to have further confusion. As for Tophat, we are not there, but have friends there and I promote that club to others when I can. I have few complaints regarding Tophat...there are only a few things I would nitpick on but they are just tiny things and nothing is perfect in my mind. I am glad you found a place that works for you. As for State Cup it keeps getting watered down which is a shame. Oraclesfriend I absolutely do not think you were being mean. I made a mistake and you corrected me. I appreciate you explaining the correction. Keep up the good post I enjoy reading what you have to say
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Post by ga3v3 on Nov 5, 2018 16:23:27 GMT -5
For u13, 4 top Athena a teams and 4 top classic 1 teams will be promoted. Every other age group, top finisher is guaranteed promotion to NL.
As far as the boys u13 Classic 1 there are clearly 5-6 teams that are heads and shoulders above the other GA teams. Take a look at the schedule- there have been many blowouts this season.
The sad thing is that the big 5 have really diluted every single league there is except for DA. There are plenty of good players/teams in the alphabet leagues and there is plenty of good competition here in the metro. We are much more fortunate that way compared to most states in the country that do need to travel for higher level play. Choices of leagues will only hurt the players and GA soccer should have taken a much harder stance last spring. All the players need is the choice of clubs, not leagues.
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Post by guest on Nov 6, 2018 8:06:47 GMT -5
The sad thing is that the big 5 have really diluted every single league there is except for DA. There are plenty of good players/teams in the alphabet leagues and there is plenty of good competition here in the metro. We are much more fortunate that way compared to most states in the country that do need to travel for higher level play. Choices of leagues will only hurt the players and GA soccer should have taken a much harder stance last spring. All the players need is the choice of clubs, not leagues. Keep in mind the reason SCCL was formed was to provide a league in between ECNL and Athena. As previously mentioned, RPL was no longer a viable option. (Driving to FL to play another ATL club, driving to FL only to have no refs, forgetting to book fields for matches, near impossibility of rescheduling matches, etc). People were fed up and demanded change. And they got it. Our experience with SCCL has been positive.
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