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Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 13, 2018 11:02:06 GMT -5
From what I understand they will be in Athena A again, there's a SCCL team above them.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 13, 2018 11:20:22 GMT -5
Yeah, not eligible for NL. I assume that the TH Navy team will be the SCCL team next fall, with the ECNL team moving to DA, and the SCCL team moving to ECNL.
As to the quality of the team...debatable. On paper they look great for sure. They struggled in a couple games, the Concorde game being an eyebrow-raiser. IAFC struggled down the stretch after opening up the season very strong (and being the only team to give AFC a challenge).
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Post by petrcechitout on Nov 13, 2018 14:44:57 GMT -5
Playing on an Athena A Team for TopHat, Concorde or some of the other clubs is a bad/unfortunate position, if that Athena A team is good. The best team or teams in Athena A not affiliated with an SCCL Membership club will have the ability to move up to NL, while those clubs with an SCCL membership will repeat a more diluted Athena A league in the spring.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 13, 2018 14:49:15 GMT -5
Again, this will only affect this team for one season, they will likely be in the SCCL come the fall anyways. Which was the whole reason these clubs created the SCCL...to not have to play in RPL.
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Post by petrcechitout on Nov 13, 2018 15:27:34 GMT -5
That is a positive way of looking at it but with kids changing clubs each year and how new Coach's select different players, there are no guarantees and the majority of Athena A players in U13 will play U14 Athena A. It will be interesting to see what happens this year at tryouts, compared to last year. I am just glad to be a innocent by stander this year.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 15, 2018 12:10:31 GMT -5
That is a positive way of looking at it but with kids changing clubs each year and how new Coach's select different players, there are no guarantees and the majority of Athena A players in U13 will play U14 Athena A. It will be interesting to see what happens this year at tryouts, compared to last year. I am just glad to be a innocent by stander this year. Even moreso with the possibility of a multi-tiered SCCL, some clubs maybe getting a 2nd ECNL, and other clubs joining the SCCL fray.
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Post by girlsoccer on Nov 15, 2018 13:50:49 GMT -5
Yeah, not eligible for NL. I assume that the TH Navy team will be the SCCL team next fall, with the ECNL team moving to DA, and the SCCL team moving to ECNL.
As to the quality of the team...debatable. On paper they look great for sure. They struggled in a couple games, the Concorde game being an eyebrow-raiser. IAFC struggled down the stretch after opening up the season very strong (and being the only team to give AFC a challenge).
That u13 Navy team is quality top to bottom. They did run pretty easily through Athena A (with the exception of a very good AFC team). Taking away the AFC game they only gave up 2 goals the rest of the season. It is a shame they will face a presumably weaker Athena A in the Spring, but at least with NTH there are lots of other talented teams to scrimmage. And practicing against one another 3 days a week makes them better individually and as a team.
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Post by ultimatedad on Nov 15, 2018 15:29:45 GMT -5
I think it is pretty clear to everyone that Tophat should not have joined sccl. Clearly against their interest as a club and not good for individual players affected.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 15, 2018 16:04:36 GMT -5
I disagree somewhat, for the U13 group its a good training year. In all of the age brackets NTH is first or 2nd. Most of that group that dominated U13 SCCL will be in the ECNL group next year. Most of the Navy A team will likely be in SCCL. If you like the format of SCCL, I think its a good move (there's more chance of college exposure than in Athena). And I think some parents wanted the exposure without the ECNL travel.
It appears the real reason to be at Tophat if you don't live close is to play DA. Past that, IMO players who can should go UFA or stick with the closest ECNL club (and that is what it looks like is happening based on the standings and the fact they only have 1 age group in the top 4 past U13 currently). After U13, NTH isn't eating up the competition in any of the ECNL brackets.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 15, 2018 16:56:00 GMT -5
Heard U13 NTH Navy has been formally invited to play NPL in the spring
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 15, 2018 18:01:36 GMT -5
Perhaps they means NL? If so, would would mean that GA Soccer is reversing its decision to not promote clubs with SCCL teams for NL. Also, it would likely only be a half-year deal, because it's unlikely TH Navy keeps half its roster together with the league shifts NTH is most likely going to do when 06's get DA. There is no TH Navy in U14+.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 15, 2018 19:01:27 GMT -5
Typo on my part - NL Piedmont Conference
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Post by girlsoccer on Nov 16, 2018 7:37:15 GMT -5
Interesting. Any idea if that means GA soccer reversed its position on the SCCL clubs altogether or is it something specific to this team?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 16, 2018 8:04:07 GMT -5
Interesting. Any idea if that means GA soccer reversed its position on the SCCL clubs altogether or is it something specific to this team? The email came directly from GA Soccer so I don't know if that means they are changing their initial stance across the board.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 16, 2018 10:39:33 GMT -5
Again, this is strange. Would NTH keep the core of this team in NL Piedmont, basically saying that NL > SCCL or move them to SCCL after the spring?
And some people say GA Soccer doesn't cower to NTH...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 16, 2018 12:59:32 GMT -5
Interesting. Any idea if that means GA soccer reversed its position on the SCCL clubs altogether or is it something specific to this team? The email came directly from GA Soccer so I don't know if that means they are changing their initial stance across the board. They should change their stance since they were unfair in their application of it anyway with the waivers.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 16, 2018 13:40:05 GMT -5
I'm curious if GSA South 04 (winners of U15A) has been invited also? GSA N 05 are currently leading U14A. Does GA Soccer cower to the big 5 and reverse its ruling?
Does the rest of GA Soccer leave GA Soccer?
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Post by ultimatedad on Nov 18, 2018 20:55:37 GMT -5
The last time Tophat tried to put their lower teams into srpl they got whipped. That was the whole reason for the Sccl. It is a nice safe place for lower teams of the big clubs. Who wants to travel and get whooped every weekend by small club teams?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 18, 2018 21:42:42 GMT -5
Of course every age group at every club is different. I'm guessing that Gold team is now the majority of the 5th place 05 ECNL team.
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Post by ultimatedad on Nov 19, 2018 14:27:52 GMT -5
Gold team did poorly in SRPL but then again the NL is watered down just like all leagues and they might be able to hang now. In the past it made for very angry parents.
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Post by ultimatedad on Nov 19, 2018 18:58:01 GMT -5
Yes they would rather be at the top of sccl than the bottom of the national league.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Nov 19, 2018 20:50:24 GMT -5
Yes they would rather be at the top of sccl than the bottom of the national league. Ultimatedad why the hatred towards Tophat? Large majority of your post are negatives. All I see is a club that continues to have 4-5 teams do well in almost all age groups. I wonder if Tophat would be a better club with you as director because it sounds like they are the worst club in Atlanta. You make them sound like a bunch of rich people who get there way and have no talent
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 19, 2018 20:57:09 GMT -5
The email came directly from GA Soccer so I don't know if that means they are changing their initial stance across the board. They should change their stance since they were unfair in their application of it anyway with the waivers. What I heard is that the big 5 complained to the Federation. The Federation has now reminded GA Soccer that they cannot exclude clubs from their leagues. My understanding is that if you earn the spot you will get it no matter what the club is.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 19, 2018 22:38:17 GMT -5
They should change their stance since they were unfair in their application of it anyway with the waivers. What I heard is that the big 5 complained to the Federation. The Federation has now reminded GA Soccer that they cannot exclude clubs from their leagues. My understanding is that if you earn the spot you will get it no matter what the club is. So does this mean the UFA and SSA will have their NPL teams play in Georgia Soccer or Piedmont conference like AFC and several NC and SC teams do?
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 19, 2018 22:47:57 GMT -5
What I heard is that the big 5 complained to the Federation. The Federation has now reminded GA Soccer that they cannot exclude clubs from their leagues. My understanding is that if you earn the spot you will get it no matter what the club is. So does this mean the UFA and SSA will have their NPL teams play in Georgia Soccer or Piedmont conference like AFC and several NC and SC teams do? NPL teams can't play in Piedmont Conference because they didnt earn it. Maybe next year if the clubs want to do that?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 20, 2018 9:16:28 GMT -5
AFC 06 will be NL and NPL this Spring. I think he means will they play in Athena in the Spring to try and get to NL along with NPL.
Should SCCL teams start playing in Athena also? I suppose it never hurts to have an embarrassment of riches.
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Post by ga3v3 on Nov 20, 2018 9:43:43 GMT -5
So does this mean the UFA and SSA will have their NPL teams play in Georgia Soccer or Piedmont conference like AFC and several NC and SC teams do? NPL teams can't play in Piedmont Conference because they didnt earn it. Maybe next year if the clubs want to do that? Many teams from NC play in both UsClub and USYS- Wake FC for example. It could be challenging though as the NL will not reschedule any interstate matches. Seems a little much for 12/13 year olds to travel as much as the NPL does and then add in 2 more out of state trips for the NL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 20, 2018 10:38:02 GMT -5
AFC 06 will be NL and NPL this Spring. I think he means will they play in Athena in the Spring to try and get to NL along with NPL. Should SCCL teams start playing in Athena also? I suppose it never hurts to have an embarrassment of riches. Yes, this is what I meant. The U13 and U14 NPL for UFA and SSA don't have that many games. They have a total of 18 for the whole year. All of the NC teams play either PC or their version of Athena. SC teams were also except Mt Pleasant in some age groups. So UFA and SSA played many fewer games than their competitors. I am not sure it makes sense for the older teams because they already have 18 games in the fall and if you PC or Athena that is 9-12 more...but for U13 and U14 it makes sense.
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 20, 2018 14:35:19 GMT -5
AFC 06 will be NL and NPL this Spring. I think he means will they play in Athena in the Spring to try and get to NL along with NPL. Should SCCL teams start playing in Athena also? I suppose it never hurts to have an embarrassment of riches. Yes, this is what I meant. The U13 and U14 NPL for UFA and SSA don't have that many games. They have a total of 18 for the whole year. All of the NC teams play either PC or their version of Athena. SC teams were also except Mt Pleasant in some age groups. So UFA and SSA played many fewer games than their competitors. I am not sure it makes sense for the older teams because they already have 18 games in the fall and if you PC or Athena that is 9-12 more...but for U13 and U14 it makes sense. I know what you meant, but its too late for them for this spring is what I meant. AFC had a waiver so they were able to do both now.
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Post by ultimatedad on Nov 21, 2018 8:25:59 GMT -5
What if the Tophat navy team takes the SCCL spot and the team there now drops into Athena.
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