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Post by rifle on Dec 17, 2018 21:53:52 GMT -5
Toronto paid $10M in 2007. And ratings are awful.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 17, 2018 23:35:31 GMT -5
Well - back to topic
Heard the thought is the u17s for boys would remain a 2 year age band vs adding separate u16s for the the boys.
So the new u16 group must be a girls DA thing only. It’s the Same source that told me about the u12s going away - so I believe him. Still could be wrong though.
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Post by newposter on Dec 17, 2018 23:38:31 GMT -5
Toronto is valued at $290 million 11 years later...not a bad rate of return. Obviously it went up a great deal for some reason. No one yet can say that the MLS is not making money. For a league basically in its infancy, its doing pretty well. Look at the number of new teams in the works.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Dec 18, 2018 1:00:00 GMT -5
Anyone with an axe to grind? MLS is growing and with the success of teams like the 5 stripes, it will continue to grow. I see a market growing with positive moves across the board. DA will lose relevance.
MLS academies will be first tier, USL academies will be 2nd-3rd tier. For boys/mens soccer, this is the model and the reality. For girls, the best and cheapest pathway to college is the model.
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Post by mistergrinch on Dec 18, 2018 10:37:23 GMT -5
They are in good shape financially.. but there just aren't enough clubs to support academy systems across this country geographically, and the second tier teams cant afford it.
Also - there are not girls DA clubs associated with MLS.. they're associated (if at all) with NWSL, which has no money.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 18, 2018 11:33:16 GMT -5
They are in good shape financially.. but there just aren't enough clubs to support academy systems across this country geographically, and the second tier teams cant afford it. Also - there are not girls DA clubs associated with MLS.. they're associated (if at all) with NWSL, which has no money. Funny thing is MLS clubs are not supporting GDA but instead are supporting ECNL instead - FC Dallas, LAFC & Orlando City to name three...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 18, 2018 12:14:57 GMT -5
They are in good shape financially.. but there just aren't enough clubs to support academy systems across this country geographically, and the second tier teams cant afford it. Also - there are not girls DA clubs associated with MLS.. they're associated (if at all) with NWSL, which has no money. Funny thing is MLS clubs are not supporting GDA but instead are supporting ECNL instead - FC Dallas, LAFC & Orlando City to name three... Friends of ours at Orlando City were extremely upset that they pulled out of GDA and went ECNL only. They felt like that was a double standard and sexist. They also liked GDA better than ECNL for many reasons.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Dec 18, 2018 12:49:14 GMT -5
Funny thing is MLS clubs are not supporting GDA but instead are supporting ECNL instead - FC Dallas, LAFC & Orlando City to name three... Friends of ours at Orlando City were extremely upset that they pulled out of GDA and went ECNL only. They felt like that was a double standard and sexist. They also liked GDA better than ECNL for many reasons. Would you care to elaborate?
There are also several USL teams which are tied to academy clubs. Tampa Bay Rowdies, North Carolina FC, San Antonio FC, LA Galaxy (MLS/USL), Charleston Battery, etc. This needs to be the model to move forward. USL and below need to join with the youth clubs to become true academies.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 18, 2018 17:14:51 GMT -5
Friends of ours at Orlando City were extremely upset that they pulled out of GDA and went ECNL only. They felt like that was a double standard and sexist. They also liked GDA better than ECNL for many reasons. Would you care to elaborate?
There are also several USL teams which are tied to academy clubs. Tampa Bay Rowdies, North Carolina FC, San Antonio FC, LA Galaxy (MLS/USL), Charleston Battery, etc. This needs to be the model to move forward. USL and below need to join with the youth clubs to become true academies.
Our friends played ECNL at Orlando, then DA , now ECNL again. They said that the quality of DA was better, the exposure to college and National team scouts was better and the travel was less. Now remember this is one opinion but there were only 3 out of state DA teams at that time (UFA, CF and TH) and there were 5 now 6 out of state ECNL teams (CF 1, CF 2, TH, AFU, GSA and Alabama FC). So from their perspective the travel was less with DA.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Dec 18, 2018 18:27:14 GMT -5
Interesting. I'd think the travel would be about the same (assuming the same # of games). The ECNL travel between GA/FL is grouped into 3 weekends (2 games a weekend). How do they do it for DA? Also, ECNL doesn't travel in the spring (generally), I assume DA does since they don't allow HS competition?
For Georgia GDA, since there are 5 DA teams in FL, I assume that equates to 3 trips to FL also? Do they break it up between fall and winter?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 18, 2018 20:26:43 GMT -5
Interesting. I'd think the travel would be about the same (assuming the same # of games). The ECNL travel between GA/FL is grouped into 3 weekends (2 games a weekend). How do they do it for DA? Also, ECNL doesn't travel in the spring (generally), I assume DA does since they don't allow HS competition? For Georgia GDA, since there are 5 DA teams in FL, I assume that equates to 3 trips to FL also? Do they break it up between fall and winter? Here is a link for the GDA Schedule - www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/regevent/index.php?containerId=NzQzODA1Ng==&partialGames=1
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 18, 2018 20:47:09 GMT -5
Well - back to topic Heard the thought is the u17s for boys would remain a 2 year age band vs adding separate u16s for the the boys. So the new u16 group must be a girls DA thing only. It’s the Same source that told me about the u12s going away - so I believe him. Still could be wrong though. So with the U12s going away for the 2019-2020 season and the U13s the following season, some clubs that currently only have U12/13/14(LSA/NASA/AFC/SSA), will be down to just one DA age group(U14). Would it be feasible to keep DA then or give it up entirely? Or will USSF give those teams a U15 team to mitigate the loss of the both 12/13 age groups? Do some of the clubs who currently have 12/13/14 give up DA and go all in for ECNL? Does the skill level of ECNL and ODP rise, now that some of the age-groups are no longer restricted? Are we now due for another shake-up in local soccer due to the attrition of players and age-groups? I will sit back and listen to your thoughts on these questions - FG
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Post by rifle on Dec 18, 2018 21:25:13 GMT -5
There are also several USL teams which are tied to academy clubs. Tampa Bay Rowdies, North Carolina FC, San Antonio FC, LA Galaxy (MLS/USL), Charleston Battery, etc. This needs to be the model to move forward. USL and below need to join with the youth clubs to become true academies. Most definitely. There needs to be a bridge between youth clubs and multiple levels of the pro game.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 18, 2018 21:40:22 GMT -5
I wish we would have no further shake ups for a while because we are like a dog chasing its tail at the moment. Every action has some reaction and it has been a mess and is getting messier. However, I am sure there will be a reaction to the loss of U12 and then U13 DA. LSA has no business going ECNL so I suspect they will be hurt the most by the loss of the younger DA age groups. Other clubs...AFC for example, does it make sense for them to get ECNL from ECNL's standpoint? After all, having DA at U12-U14 doesn't mean they can field "elite" level older teams. They are a good club with some strong teams, but if all of the clubs that have younger DA go ECNL that will be too many ECNL in the area and will weaken it further. They might be fine at U13 and U14 age groups but what about high school ages?? I am not convinced...water down everything further...
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Post by gaprospects on Dec 18, 2018 21:55:30 GMT -5
They are in good shape financially.. but there just aren't enough clubs to support academy systems across this country geographically, and the second tier teams cant afford it. Also - there are not girls DA clubs associated with MLS.. they're associated (if at all) with NWSL, which has no money. Funny thing is MLS clubs are not supporting GDA but instead are supporting ECNL instead - FC Dallas, LAFC & Orlando City to name three... NYCFC, LA Galaxy, FC Dallas, and San Jose Earthquakes all play GDA, as well as the girls clubs that are run by the same parent organizations as MLS clubs like Portland Thorns, Houston Dash, and Utah Royals. This is just false.
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Post by Keeperkeeper on Dec 19, 2018 8:24:18 GMT -5
Funny thing is MLS clubs are not supporting GDA but instead are supporting ECNL instead - FC Dallas, LAFC & Orlando City to name three... NYCFC, LA Galaxy, FC Dallas, and San Jose Earthquakes all play GDA, as well as the girls clubs that are run by the same parent organizations as MLS clubs like Portland Thorns, Houston Dash, and Utah Royals. This is just false. I think what the other two posters are trying to say is that MLS clubs don’t preference GDA over ECNL because there is no end-goal club wise for female players—they don’t have a women’s professional team. For example, for the last three teams you mention, although the parent company owns MLS clubs, note that they also own three NWSL teams. That gives an “end-goal” to some of the girls on their GDA teams. I believe overall, if you are just looking by MLS team (and not an NWSL affiliate team), the MLS clubs are mostly fielding ECNL teams. However, I think it would be interesting to see if AU ever ventured into girls soccer if they would choose GDA or ECNL.
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