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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jan 24, 2019 12:15:46 GMT -5
Has anyone figured out what will happen with this year's state cup with supposedly SCCL, DA and ECNL players not eligible?
I'm assuming all the Big 5 clubs will simply enter teams by their Athena A name and then pick and choose their best SCCL girls and some ECNL girls to join these teams even though they haven't played on them at all during the season?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jan 24, 2019 13:21:12 GMT -5
Has anyone figured out what will happen with this year's state cup with supposedly SCCL, DA and ECNL players not eligible? I'm assuming all the Big 5 clubs will simply enter teams by their Athena A name and then pick and choose their best SCCL girls and some ECNL girls to join these teams even though they haven't played on them at all during the season? NTH won't be dropping players for State Cup they will be sending their girls White (fourth level) teams.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jan 24, 2019 13:24:48 GMT -5
Has anyone figured out what will happen with this year's state cup with supposedly SCCL, DA and ECNL players not eligible? I'm assuming all the Big 5 clubs will simply enter teams by their Athena A name and then pick and choose their best SCCL girls and some ECNL girls to join these teams even though they haven't played on them at all during the season? NTH won't be dropping players for State Cup they will be sending their girls White (fourth level) teams. And I would not be surprised if those girls show up and do well
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Post by ultimatedad on Jan 25, 2019 19:40:30 GMT -5
State Cup is still extremely important to the larger clubs and it would be odd for them not to send players from ECNL onto spots of girls origionaly on those teams. Like Lanier 03 folding last year and their best players going to TH Navy.
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Post by rocko1989 on Jan 25, 2019 20:52:03 GMT -5
Like Lanier 03 folding last year and their best players going to TH Navy. I am curious where you got this information. There are a few issues with your statement: 1. The team did not fold. They moved to Piedmont League of NL. 2. 1 player moved to Tophat ECNL. Not a bunch. 3. Some other players moved to different clubs for a variety of reasons.
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Jan 25, 2019 21:01:06 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 25, 2019 21:01:06 GMT -5
Like Lanier 03 folding last year and their best players going to TH Navy. I am curious where you got this information. There are a few issues with your statement: 1. The team did not fold. They moved to NPL. 2. 1 player moved to Tophat ECNL. Not a bunch. 3. Some other players moved to different clubs for a variety of reasons. NL (Piedmont Conference) not NPL, but otherwise I agree with your statement. Also I otherwise don't understand what Lanier 03 has to do with Tophat and state cup.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jan 25, 2019 22:01:13 GMT -5
I am curious where you got this information. There are a few issues with your statement: 1. The team did not fold. They moved to NPL. 2. 1 player moved to Tophat ECNL. Not a bunch. 3. Some other players moved to different clubs for a variety of reasons. NL (Piedmont Conference) not NPL, but otherwise I agree with your statement. Also I otherwise don't understand what Lanier 03 has to do with Tophat and state cup. I think ultimatedad is just a big hater of everything Tophat and just says things to hear himself talk
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Post by rocko1989 on Jan 26, 2019 5:31:06 GMT -5
Oraclesfriend:
Fixed it. I hate it when someone corrects someone else, yet the “corrector” is incorrect. In this case, that was me that needing correcting of my correction. Sorry.
I also did not know what the team at LSA had to do with this discussion. That part of this thread was quite confusing.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 26, 2019 11:58:42 GMT -5
Oraclesfriend: Fixed it. I hate it when someone corrects someone else, yet the “corrector” is incorrect. In this case, that was me that needing correcting of my correction. Sorry. I also did not know what the team at LSA had to do with this discussion. That part of this thread was quite confusing. No problem. The whole alphabet soup can be confusing and it was easier to keep RPL/SRPL straight from NPL but now it is more confusing. That is why I call it PC for Piedmont Conference which is really what it is anyway.
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Post by ga3v3 on Jan 27, 2019 10:21:04 GMT -5
Oraclesfriend: Fixed it. I hate it when someone corrects someone else, yet the “corrector” is incorrect. In this case, that was me that needing correcting of my correction. Sorry. I also did not know what the team at LSA had to do with this discussion. That part of this thread was quite confusing. No problem. The whole alphabet soup can be confusing and it was easier to keep RPL/SRPL straight from NPL but now it is more confusing. That is why I call it PC for Piedmont Conference which is really what it is anyway. Well with that nomenclature you should also call our Ga Teams in DA- Central Conference and ECNL- South Eastern Conference
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 27, 2019 11:19:24 GMT -5
No problem. The whole alphabet soup can be confusing and it was easier to keep RPL/SRPL straight from NPL but now it is more confusing. That is why I call it PC for Piedmont Conference which is really what it is anyway. Well with that nomenclature you should also call our Ga Teams in DA- Central Conference and ECNL- South Eastern Conference I am not sure what you mean exactly. See there actually is a National League where the best of the teams from last year's SRPL play each other. Historically the NL was the best from SRPL and was a step above RPL. It was like the Champions League. This year they decided to rename the whole thing the National League with individual conferences. I think that renaming cheapens what the actually NL was last year. So the teams that are playing the NL are being sold short as being equal to the teams that qualified for Piedmont Conference this year by being the best in their state or being appointed by the state. On the boys side the Tier 1 and Tier 2 equal that out a bit (more similar to SRPL and RPL). The girls don't have that. I think to call the whole Piedmont Conference (which was last year called RPL) the National League (which was only open to the best of SRPL) is confusing. There are still NL teams in Georgia like LSA 05 Gold, Georgia Rush 04 and UFA 02 Premier. So it takes something away from them to call it the same thing. So that is what I meant. I think those three teams that I listed and any others from Georgia that I didn't (I know there are boys team in it too) are the real NL teams based on the previous nomenclature. It also makes it less confusing so people don't confuse the NL and NPL which has happened A LOT on this forum since US Youth Soccer named their whole NL.
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Jan 27, 2019 16:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by ga3v3 on Jan 27, 2019 16:34:31 GMT -5
Well with that nomenclature you should also call our Ga Teams in DA- Central Conference and ECNL- South Eastern Conference I am not sure what you mean exactly. See there actually is a National League where the best of the teams from last year's SRPL play each other. Historically the NL was the best from SRPL and was a step above RPL. It was like the Champions League. This year they decided to rename the whole thing the National League with individual conferences. I think that renaming cheapens what the actually NL was last year. So the teams that are playing the NL are being sold short as being equal to the teams that qualified for Piedmont Conference this year by being the best in their state or being appointed by the state. On the boys side the Tier 1 and Tier 2 equal that out a bit (more similar to SRPL and RPL). The girls don't have that. I think to call the whole Piedmont Conference (which was last year called RPL) the National League (which was only open to the best of SRPL) is confusing. There are still NL teams in Georgia like LSA 05 Gold, Georgia Rush 04 and UFA 02 Premier. So it takes something away from them to call it the same thing. So that is what I meant. I think those three teams that I listed and any others from Georgia that I didn't (I know there are boys team in it too) are the real NL teams based on the previous nomenclature. It also makes it less confusing so people don't confuse the NL and NPL which has happened A LOT on this forum since US Youth Soccer named their whole NL. The NL has been set up with geographic conferences very similar to DA and ECNL- no major difference except for the two tiers for the boys side. You appear to be talking about the National level tier which is comprised of the top 36 teams in USYS across the nation. They come together to play a couple of long weekend events each year as a supplement to their regular season in their respective conferences. GA teams conferences naming within their leagues DA- central conference ECNL- SE conference NL- Piedmont conference NPL- south Atlantic Champions League - southern clubs
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Post by surgesoccer on Jan 27, 2019 21:18:02 GMT -5
ga3v3,
Only thing I would update in your list is "Champions League - southern clubs"
SCCL is a Premier League (which is an offshoot of NPL, just designed to have smaller geographic footprint (less travel) than NPL.
So it would be PL - Southern Clubs Champions League.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jan 28, 2019 15:25:46 GMT -5
State Cup is still extremely important to the larger clubs and it would be odd for them not to send players from ECNL onto spots of girls origionaly on those teams. Like Lanier 03 folding last year and their best players going to TH Navy. totally agree, no one will convince me the big 5 don't want to represent at State Cup and stick it to Georgia Soccer, I have seen too many teams through the years at state cup filled with girls from other teams all of a sudden playing on the Navy or white team. I wonder how the parents of the girls on that original team feel when these girls take their playing time?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 28, 2019 16:46:01 GMT -5
totally agree, no one will convince me the big 5 don't want to represent at State Cup and stick it to Georgia Soccer, I have seen too many teams through the years at state cup filled with girls from other teams all of a sudden playing on the Navy or white team. I wonder how the parents of the girls on that original team feel when these girls take their playing time? Uh oh, looks like NTH police need to come and categorize you in as an NTH hater.
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Jan 28, 2019 19:17:28 GMT -5
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jan 28, 2019 19:17:28 GMT -5
State Cup is still extremely important to the larger clubs and it would be odd for them not to send players from ECNL onto spots of girls origionaly on those teams. Like Lanier 03 folding last year and their best players going to TH Navy. totally agree, no one will convince me the big 5 don't want to represent at State Cup and stick it to Georgia Soccer, I have seen too many teams through the years at state cup filled with girls from other teams all of a sudden playing on the Navy or white team. I wonder how the parents of the girls on that original team feel when these girls take their playing time? Well I can say that didn't happen last year when the 04 NTH team beat UFA's RPL, GSA's National League (with four coaches on the sideline including Judson and Campbell) and tied CF's Athena A team with 4 or 5 ECNL players helping them. They made the State Cup final four with NO help. I've personally coached three NTH Navy and White teams at State Cup and never had additional players to help, in fact I wouldn't even take them if offered, I'd rather win or lose with my players. So your blanket statement about dropping players down to help doesn't hold water.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 28, 2019 20:30:31 GMT -5
Both could be true anecdotal stories. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen at NTH and other clubs).
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Post by soccerloafer on Jan 29, 2019 9:24:48 GMT -5
Our NTH team was accused of bringing 4 or more ECNL players to help at State Cup last year. A poster was insistent that we had multiples the day we beat them. I was accused of being a liar for presenting the facts - we had 1 ECNL player, 2 Athena A players up, and 1 out of state guest player (played with us most of the year) - mainly because we needed bodies. Apparently, even though I was a team insider, she knew what she saw... Somehow NTH gets quite a few false accusations... Like others, not saying it doesn't happen, but you don't always know why. And it's certainly never the players fault either way. If you're a marginal ECNL player and the coach asks you to play down, can you really say no?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jan 30, 2019 15:54:15 GMT -5
So looks like the rules for this State Cup read the same as previous years, only need to have 9 players from named club/team for roster continuity. This does seem laughable to me, yes I understand state cup is around Memorial day and with injuries and defections teams may need to add a player or two but really only having to have 9 from a team when you can roster 18 is just silly. If you want to see the teams that represented that team in the fall put some bite into the requirements like other tournaments that state only 3 guest players are allowed otherwise besides those 3 you must field players that played in Georgia Soccer affiliated teams and were on active roster/gamesheets in the fall.
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Post by soccerloafer on Jan 30, 2019 17:32:37 GMT -5
So looks like the rules for this State Cup read the same as previous years, only need to have 9 players from named club/team for roster continuity. This does seem laughable to me, yes I understand state cup is around Memorial day and with injuries and defections teams may need to add a player or two but really only having to have 9 from a team when you can roster 18 is just silly. If you want to see the teams that represented that team in the fall put some bite into the requirements like other tournaments that state only 3 guest players are allowed otherwise besides those 3 you must field players that played in Georgia Soccer affiliated teams and were on active roster/gamesheets in the fall. For the older teams - juniors and seniors - sometimes the interest in playing State Cup wanes dramatically. Hence the body shortage.
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Post by soccerspin on Jan 31, 2019 15:45:09 GMT -5
First time registering a team for State Cup and was surprised to see it is $950. Has it always been that expensive?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 31, 2019 18:53:57 GMT -5
First time registering a team for State Cup and was surprised to see it is $950. Has it always been that expensive? I am not surprised. I just looked at some out of state tournaments and saw 750-950 for a regular club tournament...not Disney, not Jeff Cup, not State cup...just a regular tournament. Seems like the metro Atlanta ones are cheaper than some of our neighboring states
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jan 31, 2019 20:08:51 GMT -5
First time registering a team for State Cup and was surprised to see it is $950. Has it always been that expensive? Not getting those Columbus hotel kickbacks anymore
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Post by mistergrinch on Feb 1, 2019 8:37:56 GMT -5
First time registering a team for State Cup and was surprised to see it is $950. Has it always been that expensive? Not getting those Columbus hotel kickbacks anymore Columbus has to pay people to go there.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 2, 2019 23:32:22 GMT -5
First time registering a team for State Cup and was surprised to see it is $950. Has it always been that expensive? I am not surprised. I just looked at some out of state tournaments and saw 750-950 for a regular club tournament...not Disney, not Jeff Cup, not State cup...just a regular tournament. Seems like the metro Atlanta ones are cheaper than some of our neighboring states It was $695 two years ago, but $950 is cheaper when you don't have to pay for coaches hotels, a lot less mileage, your own hotel and gas
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Post by Keeper on Feb 5, 2019 22:45:48 GMT -5
The increase to $950 is to cover that extra expense at renting out all those turf fields compared to getting the Columbus fields at nearly nothing.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 5, 2019 23:53:13 GMT -5
Still cheaper....and closer. Looking very much forward to not going to Columbus
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 6, 2019 9:00:18 GMT -5
has any thought been given to moving the State Cup up 1 week so we don't all spend our Memorial Day weekend on the soccer fields, I think players and parents already sacrifice enough weekends
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Post by Keeper on Feb 6, 2019 11:53:22 GMT -5
has any thought been given to moving the State Cup up 1 week so we don't all spend our Memorial Day weekend on the soccer fields, I thinks players and parents already sacrifice enough weekends But then Lil Charlie and Lil Lisa will have to play two games in one day. Plus you’d still have the Final Four Memorial Day weekend and the U18/19s who play during the week wouldn’t since they’re still in school. I say move State Cup for 15U and up to Thanksgiving week and just be done with it then.
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Post by soccerspin on Feb 6, 2019 15:28:37 GMT -5
Still cheaper....and closer. Looking very much forward to not going to Columbus Agree...but stings even more when your team loses the play in game...$475 for one game hurts. (And no travel for those games thus no additional cost)
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