DOOM
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Post by DOOM on Jan 26, 2019 21:14:22 GMT -5
GSA vs UFA friendlies today...
GSA 04 ECNL 4 UFA 04 DA 1
GSA 05 ECNL 4 UFA 05 DA 0
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Post by rocko1989 on Jan 27, 2019 6:35:10 GMT -5
That 04 team at GSA is pretty good, currently second in their conference behind the Concorde Platinum by a small margin.
The 05 team from GSA is in 4th place in their conference.
What, if anything, do we take from these results?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 27, 2019 7:42:52 GMT -5
That 04 team at GSA is pretty good, currently second in their conference behind the Concorde Platinum by a small margin. The 05 team from GSA is in 4th place in their conference. What, if anything, do we take from these results? I don't know what to take from a one time result especially a friendly as sometimes players are missing (I know of one 05 DA player who was not there due to other commitments) or coaches are experimenting with positions, etc. This summer that UFA 05 DA team beat Concorde ECNL who is one spot ahead of the GSA team. I am just glad the teams are playing these friendlies so that these teams can have some local competition that is low cost and because it has no meaning the players and coaches can sometimes work on things that they want to try without worrying about wins and losses (aka actually working on development). Of course I am sure there is some healthy rivalry going on here with bragging rights also, but that is not the purpose of the friendlies.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jan 27, 2019 10:51:45 GMT -5
Indicates DA is not the only league with quality players and coaches. DA for the boys side likely gone if MLS pulls out IMO.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 27, 2019 11:03:27 GMT -5
Indicates DA is not the only league with quality players and coaches. DA for the boys side likely gone if MLS pulls out IMO. Anyone who thinks that DA is the only league (for girls) with quality players is being foolish. ECNL has been the established best for 10 years before DA came along. Frankly, even ECNL and DA combined don't have ALL of the quality players. So I still don't think this "indicates" anything that logical people didn't already know.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jan 27, 2019 11:48:49 GMT -5
I agree but if you read most posts DA is the "top" and every other league is lower.
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Post by DOOM on Jan 27, 2019 21:10:49 GMT -5
GSA vs UFA friendlies today... GSA 04 ECNL 4 UFA 04 DA 1 GSA 05 ECNL 4 UFA 05 DA 0 Did any other age groups play? ...the 06 teams played but I only knew a half time score of GSA 1 UFA 0...because I didn't know a final score I wasn't going to post it.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 28, 2019 6:33:14 GMT -5
The GSA teams are good, but I heard the DA teams were missing a few players. The 04s didn't even have a keeper and had to borrow an 06 keeper from the Premier team.
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Post by fridge on Jan 28, 2019 8:56:39 GMT -5
CF moved back to ECNL and I can tell you all of the GSA teams are rock solid and near the top of the table. I've got to give them credit since they lost a lot of top talent to CF and TH in the 01 and 02 ages. I'd give GSA the edge against the older UFA DA teams based at least how UFA performed last year.
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Post by straightred on Jan 28, 2019 14:44:59 GMT -5
What, if anything, do we take from these results? What we learn from these results is that there is a good deal of risk for member clubs of either league that schedule these inter-league friendlies. There were a couple friendlies played up north as well this weekend: Michigan Hawks '04 ECNL 5 Midwest United '04 GDA 1 Michigan Hawks '03 ECNL 5 Midwest United 02/03 GDA 0 No matter the result, one side of the GDA/ECNL argument will point to the results as evidence that one league is superior. For anyone that has strong opinions, it is hard to not do that. I know, because I really dislike the format of GDA -- but I also know that these results aren't really evidence that one format is better than the other. They are good fodder for forums like this, but I don't think they advance the discussion too much in really building consensus that one league is 'better' than the other. I think it is more appropriate to think about what the kids in the two leagues are trying to accomplish, discount club specific characteristics (like quality of coaches), and debate whether the structure of one league or the other is better designed to meet the players' goals.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 28, 2019 16:17:37 GMT -5
What, if anything, do we take from these results? What we learn from these results is that there is a good deal of risk for member clubs of either league that schedule these inter-league friendlies. There were a couple friendlies played up north as well this weekend: Michigan Hawks '04 ECNL 5 Midwest United '04 GDA 1 Michigan Hawks '03 ECNL 5 Midwest United 02/03 GDA 0 No matter the result, one side of the GDA/ECNL argument will point to the results as evidence that one league is superior. For anyone that has strong opinions, it is hard to not do that. I know, because I really dislike the format of GDA -- but I also know that these results aren't really evidence that one format is better than the other. They are good fodder for forums like this, but I don't think they advance the discussion too much in really building consensus that one league is 'better' than the other. I think it is more appropriate to think about what the kids in the two leagues are trying to accomplish, discount club specific characteristics (like quality of coaches), and debate whether the structure of one league or the other is better designed to meet the players' goals. I agree with you. Very logical statement on your part. Individual players also have different goals so one format may be better for them than another. There are a lot of things about Girls DA that I find frustrating, but there are other things that I like. Same for ECNL. To each their own...
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Post by humphry on Jan 28, 2019 16:42:42 GMT -5
So the ECNL meetings were this past weekend. I think TH has a decision to make on DA v. ENCL. Any word/rumors?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 28, 2019 17:05:26 GMT -5
So the ECNL meetings were this past weekend. I think TH has a decision to make on DA v. ENCL. Any word/rumors? I'm curious why they would have to make a decision? Is it a situation like Concord, where (I assume) ECNL said your 2nd teams are not performing well enough in ECNL, so go all in with us or we'll have to drop your club? NTH ECNL is mid-table in all but one DA-age group years, which isn't a bad thing in general, but does ECNL have different standards for clubs that are also in GDA? If I had to guess, they would probably stick with the prestige of GDA (unless going all in ECNL gives them a 2nd team, pretty obviously there's enough justification for). If NTH were to drop GDA, would UFA keep GDA or desperately try to get into ECNL? No local opponents, and only 3 opponents within 400 miles...they would have to REALLY like traveling for games. Would this be a nail in the Southeastern GDA coffin?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 28, 2019 19:48:05 GMT -5
So the ECNL meetings were this past weekend. I think TH has a decision to make on DA v. ENCL. Any word/rumors? I'm curious why they would have to make a decision? Is it a situation like Concord, where (I assume) ECNL said your 2nd teams are not performing well enough in ECNL, so go all in with us or we'll have to drop your club? NTH ECNL is mid-table in all but one DA-age group years, which isn't a bad thing in general, but does ECNL have different standards for clubs that are also in GDA? If I had to guess, they would probably stick with the prestige of GDA (unless going all in ECNL gives them a 2nd team, pretty obviously there's enough justification for). If NTH were to drop GDA, would UFA keep GDA or desperately try to get into ECNL? No local opponents, and only 3 opponents within 400 miles...they would have to REALLY like traveling for games. Would this be a nail in the Southeastern GDA coffin? I agree with your comments about just about everything. There is no need for NTH to choose. They are good enough for both. If NTH dropped GDA I think it would be hard for UFA. UFA tried to get into ECNL for years and was blocked by the other clubs. Now ECNL would take them because they are in GDA...unless they wait too long. As for local opponents...GDA like ECNL are open to adding clubs so who knows if they would add someone else that is somewhat nearby. I know of an Orlando area club that has applied, there certainly could be Georgia or SC or Alabama clubs that are applying that I don't know about yet.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 28, 2019 19:48:59 GMT -5
So the ECNL meetings were this past weekend. I think TH has a decision to make on DA v. ENCL. Any word/rumors? I have heard if they are forced to choose that it would be GDA. BUT I also heard the opposite. So who knows?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 28, 2019 20:34:51 GMT -5
Going GDA all in could be sweetened off theyre given a 2nd spot...
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Post by straightred on Jan 29, 2019 0:29:04 GMT -5
Going GDA all in could be sweetened off theyre given a 2nd spot... Much more likely that ECNL would consider rewarding them with a 2nd spot as that precedent already exists in more than just a few cases (to different levels of success). Also, the idea of USSF giving any club two teams seems contrary to their mission to identify and train athletes with the potential to play on the GNT and WNT. 'Part-time' players is how USSF suggests addressing players not quite ready to be on the first team?
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Post by fridge on Jan 29, 2019 8:55:08 GMT -5
The ECNL rule from last year was that something like 4 out of 5 age groups had to make the playoffs or an ECNL/DA club couldn't jointly do ECNL and DA. CF didn't qualify for the playoff criteria and so, had to choose. ECNL apparently told CF that it would do a one time deal of 2 teams if it stayed in ECNL. From what I understand the playoff qualification rule is still in place and TH can't satisfy it this year. As a result, TH will now be forced to decide ECNL or DA. Further, I'm not sure if the 2 team ECNL deal will be on the table again. Last year was a tipping point year for ECNL to stay competitive against DA. This year, it has more leverage. It will be interesting to see what happens as I have heard TH is not totally enthused with the DA model.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 29, 2019 9:31:38 GMT -5
Additionally, if ECNL offers 2 spots and the alternative is possibly losing much their 2nd team players to other clubs ECNL squads, will be interesting to see what NTH does. If they did pick ECNL, I'm sure a couple members of their 1st team would jump to UFA as some parents are delusional about the GNT/WNT idea. USSF GDA could offer other local clubs a spot, but losing NTH would be big for Georgia. They would be lowering the quality of their league. Will make for another chaotic tryout season to be sure.
But if 1 DA or 1 ECNL spot is all thats possible, I'm sure they'd pick DA.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 29, 2019 10:30:49 GMT -5
The ECNL rule from last year was that something like 4 out of 5 age groups had to make the playoffs or an ECNL/DA club couldn't jointly do ECNL and DA. CF didn't qualify for the playoff criteria and so, had to choose. ECNL apparently told CF that it would do a one time deal of 2 teams if it stayed in ECNL. From what I understand the playoff qualification rule is still in place and TH can't satisfy it this year. As a result, TH will now be forced to decide ECNL or DA. Further, I'm not sure if the 2 team ECNL deal will be on the table again. Last year was a tipping point year for ECNL to stay competitive against DA. This year, it has more leverage. It will be interesting to see what happens as I have heard TH is not totally enthused with the DA model. So this one time deal means what exactly? One season that they can have it? Or a take it or leave it? Also, now that they have been unsuccessful for the second team ECNL, near the bottom of the league in age groups that they are not using SSA to fill, will they have to give that second team up? This is all about CF that I am asking though some of the other clubs nationally with two teams are having the same issues.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 29, 2019 10:44:20 GMT -5
Girls soccer in this city is always nuts from year to year. This should be another interesting off season -- Tophat leaving DA in my opinion would be the demise of DA for girls in the south.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 29, 2019 16:38:51 GMT -5
I have heard that some clubs that left DA last year to go ECNL are now trying to come back to DA.
I guess we see what happens
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Post by straightred on Jan 29, 2019 19:50:04 GMT -5
I have heard that some clubs that left DA last year to go ECNL are now trying to come back to DA. I guess we see what happens I find this a little hard to believe. Some clubs that jumped into GDA the first year might be expected to flip back after trying out GDA. No one knew exactly how GDA would work out for their club... it isn't that surprising that some jumped back to ECNL for whatever their reasons may have been. But what your describing makes less sense. Anyone jumping into ECNL this year (from GDA) knew exactly what they were getting themselves (back) into. It isn't like ECNL was an unknown. This only makes sense if you are referring an all-in club, such as CF, which as of this year has two teams per age and some of their 'B teams' are arguably struggling compared to the 'A team'. That is a dynamic that several of the all-in clubs have really struggled with this year, and it may, therefore, make sense to see if they can go back to having one foot in both leagues.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jan 30, 2019 9:27:14 GMT -5
The GSA teams are good, m. The GSA girls teams get some results. I don’t know if that’s always the same thing. The Tophat coaches tend to be vocal in their frustration about GSA teams not even trying to play soccer. I won’t go that far, but most of their coaches seem to have a preference for very low risk play from their backs and midfielders. Not sure how well that serves the players in the long run. I will say in the age groups I’m familiar with, they don’t take a particularly sophisticated approach to the game.I can’t comment on their boys program. Never really seen much of them. at the young age groups, they do not seem to try to teach good tactics, and seem to push the boundaries of the rules.
The current rules below u11 with the play-out line.. they are the only club that teaches their kids to rush the keeper as soon as they put it down (everyone else waits until it's actually put into play.. which is the spirit of the rule). They must be teaching it because EVERY GSA team I've seen at younger levels does it.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Jan 30, 2019 9:31:07 GMT -5
Parents demand results, not development. And a lot of parents conflate the two.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 30, 2019 13:51:19 GMT -5
I have heard that some clubs that left DA last year to go ECNL are now trying to come back to DA. I guess we see what happens I find this a little hard to believe. Some clubs that jumped into GDA the first year might be expected to flip back after trying out GDA. No one knew exactly how GDA would work out for their club... it isn't that surprising that some jumped back to ECNL for whatever their reasons may have been. But what your describing makes less sense. Anyone jumping into ECNL this year (from GDA) knew exactly what they were getting themselves (back) into. It isn't like ECNL was an unknown. This only makes sense if you are referring an all-in club, such as CF, which as of this year has two teams per age and some of their 'B teams' are arguably struggling compared to the 'A team'. That is a dynamic that several of the all-in clubs have really struggled with this year, and it may, therefore, make sense to see if they can go back to having one foot in both leagues. Not referring to CF I am referring to some teams that felt that the competition of ECNL was not good.
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Post by westcoast on Jan 30, 2019 14:18:52 GMT -5
I find this a little hard to believe. Some clubs that jumped into GDA the first year might be expected to flip back after trying out GDA. No one knew exactly how GDA would work out for their club... it isn't that surprising that some jumped back to ECNL for whatever their reasons may have been. But what your describing makes less sense. Anyone jumping into ECNL this year (from GDA) knew exactly what they were getting themselves (back) into. It isn't like ECNL was an unknown. This only makes sense if you are referring an all-in club, such as CF, which as of this year has two teams per age and some of their 'B teams' are arguably struggling compared to the 'A team'. That is a dynamic that several of the all-in clubs have really struggled with this year, and it may, therefore, make sense to see if they can go back to having one foot in both leagues. Not referring to CF I am referring to some teams that felt that the competition of ECNL was not good. Which teams are you referring to? Everything I've heard or read about the clubs that left last year, did so because ECNL was a better fit, their membership wanted to go back to ECNL, and that they're happy where they are now. Here's an interesting article that was published recently about Slammers and why they chose ECNL over GDA: www.soccernation.com/the-da-debate-continues-it-wasnt-a-good-fit-slammers-fc/
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Post by fridge on Jan 30, 2019 14:48:52 GMT -5
I have heard that some clubs that left DA last year to go ECNL are now trying to come back to DA. I guess we see what happens I find this a little hard to believe. Some clubs that jumped into GDA the first year might be expected to flip back after trying out GDA. No one knew exactly how GDA would work out for their club... it isn't that surprising that some jumped back to ECNL for whatever their reasons may have been. But what your describing makes less sense. Anyone jumping into ECNL this year (from GDA) knew exactly what they were getting themselves (back) into. It isn't like ECNL was an unknown. This only makes sense if you are referring an all-in club, such as CF, which as of this year has two teams per age and some of their 'B teams' are arguably struggling compared to the 'A team'. That is a dynamic that several of the all-in clubs have really struggled with this year, and it may, therefore, make sense to see if they can go back to having one foot in both leagues. Totally agree that it makes no sense that ECNL team would jump back to DA as those who left DA left due to a morass of issues. Further, DA southeast comp is so good that they have scheduled weekends in Texas to chase competition. Bottom line, the leagues are split w/ club talent. There are great teams in both. Mediocre teams in both. And, bad teams in both. Again, it's too bad DA/ECNL couldn't have found a way to make it work. I will conclude by saying I've heard from two pretty good sources TH is not happy w/ DA so it will be very interesting to see how it shakes out.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 31, 2019 0:37:35 GMT -5
I guess we just wait and see what happens in the next couple of months.....
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