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Post by weluvsoccer on Feb 10, 2019 15:22:00 GMT -5
Currently Concorde is 2nd, AU 4th and UFA 12th of 15 teams. I really would have thought UFA would have been a better team this year given the other u14 & under clubs would have players looking for opportunity. I understand the u15s really don't matter, and it's the 17s and 19s were the money is, but the 15s now set the table for the future years.
I've seen them play a few times now and was stunned when I looked at the table to see that they had only 3 wins, 6 losses, and 3 ties, and have conceded 25 goals, 3rd worst in the league. Team now has 3 consecutive losses and have not won since October. NCFC is next on the schedule.
If I recall, the 03 group last year struggled as well -- Just doesn't make sense given the size of UFA. I'm not necessarily looking for excuses, I know a few kids were injured, but what's the deal? Coaching, player selection, depth, style of play poor performance, all of the above?
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Post by thisonedude on Feb 11, 2019 8:36:11 GMT -5
How have they looked when you've seen them play?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 11, 2019 11:05:15 GMT -5
Currently Concorde is 2nd, AU 4th and UFA 12th of 15 teams. I really would have thought UFA would have been a better team this year given the other u14 & under clubs would have players looking for opportunity. I understand the u15s really don't matter, and it's the 17s and 19s were the money is, but the 15s now set the table for the future years. I've seen them play a few times now and was stunned when I looked at the table to see that they had only 3 wins, 6 losses, and 3 ties, and have conceded 25 goals, 3rd worst in the league. Team now has 3 consecutive losses and have not won since October. NCFC is next on the schedule. If I recall, the 03 group last year struggled as well -- Just doesn't make sense given the size of UFA. I'm not necessarily looking for excuses, I know a few kids were injured, but what's the deal? Coaching, player selection, depth, style of play poor performance, all of the above? To plainly answer your question, it is a combination of sub-par coaching, bad player selections from last year, they have lots of depth, problem is you have too many players for key positions, a complete lack of creativity by the coach and worse of all, the inability to motivate the players and get the most out of them... I think it's all I've said plus a bevy of issues. They've had some injuries and they have too many players in key positions so it's hard to get on a roll before you're subbed out. Or you play not knowing if you're going to be yanked 15 minutes in or play just a half. However, it all starts with the Coach. I'm not referring to the mantra that the buck stops with the coach, but this particular coach. How? Do you ask, well he plays favorites when it's not necessary, he uses boys in the wrong positions and is definitely unwilling to try them in new positions even in practice. Finally, when he does chose to try something new or make adjustments to counteract an opponents strengths, he tries them without practicing it first, so the lads look lost. Take for example, the game against AU where AU just trounced the team 7-1, he implemented a new formation 3-4-1-2 or was it 3-4-2-1, either way it was a horrendous time to try that and yet not realize it's not working and revert back. Many of the families are frustrated not knowing what the future holds for them in regards to the merging of the U16/U17 next year. Obviously not everyone is going to be able to make the move, what are the plans for these clubs for the true U16s who can't make the squad - SCCL/ECNL? In the reduction of 7 U14 teams down to 3 U15 teams, UFA did not do a good job of identifying the talent to bring to UFA. So many were taken by CF and you can see the results in the standings. This is hard to watch because as most of you know my kids are products of UFA. Thankfully, for the next week the coach is out of town and Roberto will be taking the team. I hope he's able to rite the ship and bring some order to things. They have just over a dozen game left for the season. Who knows maybe they can go on a run. Unfortunately, with the new U15 playoff rules - 8 teams qualify for postseason (7 division winners plus 1 wild card based on the highest PPG). So to guarantee you make the playoffs, it's just best to win your division.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Feb 11, 2019 11:15:00 GMT -5
"...UFA did not do a good job of identifying the talent to bring to UFA. So many were taken by CF..." Did both UFA and CF DA programs hold tryouts on the same day/time? Maybe different tryouts times would help. If it's at the same time, a player pretty much has to decide which club they want and go all in. If a player could tryout for both, then either club would have a shot at the players they like.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 11, 2019 11:30:22 GMT -5
"...UFA did not do a good job of identifying the talent to bring to UFA. So many were taken by CF..." Did both UFA and CF DA programs hold tryouts on the same day/time? Maybe different tryouts times would help. If it's at the same time, a player pretty much has to decide which club they want and go all in. If a player could tryout for both, then either club would have a shot at the players they like. Actually, for the first time in a long time I can remember, both clubs had an agreement to have a rolling tryout, whereby, once the season was over, but before the actual tryout days, players could go "practice" or "workout" with any of the clubs they wanted. It gave you a chance to be seen by the coach/club prior to the tryouts. From what I gather, close to 70% of the teams were chosen that way and the rest were finalized during the actual tryout window. Many boys were able to tryout at both locations and get honest feedback from the coaches. BTW this was separate from the ID Camps.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 11, 2019 11:44:13 GMT -5
Its very odd, team looked pretty good to start the fall season and were very impressive to watch and had high expectations for sure.
This is why every team should have 2 coaches. Not sure why its not mandated by the federation and no single coach should have full responsibility for roster selection and coaching the team during the week.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 11, 2019 11:47:57 GMT -5
Its very odd, team looked pretty good to start the fall season and were very impressive to watch and had high expectations for sure. This is why every team should have 2 coaches. Not sure why its not mandated by the federation and no single coach should have full responsibility for roster selection and coaching the team during the week. Plus, when you get to the DA level, you should only have a team for one year and then you release them to someone else. Unless you're RD or TA
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Post by thisonedude on Feb 11, 2019 12:08:51 GMT -5
Perhaps it is just the ebb and flow of soccer played by 13-15 year old boys. Injuries, confidence, school work, girlfriends...who knows.
AU went through a four game winless stretch in the fall. They seem to have corrected their course and look formidable. Maybe that will happen for UFA, too.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 11, 2019 12:20:44 GMT -5
AU is suffering from not making the right cuts a year ago. They have had to bring in 2005s in to help with their scoring and scoring opportunities. I hear starting this week, 4 more 2005s are going to be joining the team. Now keep in mind, this is a team that already has 23 2004 rostered...🤔🤔
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Post by cantgetright on Feb 11, 2019 12:43:48 GMT -5
I know AU had more tryouts last night. I am not sure if it was just the 03's or several other age groups.
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Post by thisonedude on Feb 11, 2019 13:03:46 GMT -5
I thought rosters were capped at 20 for U15 DA. How can AU roster 23?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 11, 2019 13:06:09 GMT -5
Game day rosters are capped at 18, I don't know of any rule other than common sense that stops you from having more.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 11, 2019 13:14:50 GMT -5
AU is suffering from not making the right cuts a year ago. They have had to bring in 2005s in to help with their scoring and scoring opportunities. I hear starting this week, 4 more 2005s are going to be joining the team. Now keep in mind, this is a team that already has 23 2004 rostered...🤔🤔 max roster sizes should be 20. stock piling players in an age group isn't good for anyone involved (except for the club stock piling players)
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Post by thisonedude on Feb 11, 2019 13:17:32 GMT -5
Quick google search...Per US Soccer: Team must have a minimum of 14 FT players; average roster size across age groups cannot exceed 24. So I suppose you could have 18 in one age group and 30 in another (average would be 24).
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Post by goldcoast on Feb 11, 2019 16:01:53 GMT -5
I know AU had more tryouts last night. I am not sure if it was just the 03's or several other age groups. 07 tryouts later this week to fill vacant spots in that age group...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 11, 2019 19:17:38 GMT -5
From discussions I got today, it looks like the musical chairs of players at AU has begun, so I hear the U12s, U13s, U14s, U15s and U17s are all in play in regards to moving players around. My question is if I were on the U16 team, I'd start making calls. Clearly the club doesn't rate you high enough to pull you up to the U17s but instead goes back to the U15s to pull players from...🤔🤔
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Post by soccernotfootball on Feb 11, 2019 19:28:36 GMT -5
I know AU had more tryouts last night. I am not sure if it was just the 03's or several other age groups. 07 tryouts later this week to fill vacant spots in that age group... goldcoast vacancies? doesn't that u12 group currently have a 24 player pool?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 11, 2019 20:16:04 GMT -5
Actually I had heard they have more with "guest players" but I was just thinking the same thing, especially since next year it will be one team at U13...🤔🤔
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Post by soccergurl on Feb 11, 2019 21:27:19 GMT -5
To plainly answer your question, it is a combination of sub-par coaching, bad player selections from last year, they have lots of depth, problem is you have too many players for key positions, a complete lack of creativity by the coach and worse of all, the inability to motivate the players and get the most out of them... I think it's all I've said plus a bevy of issues. They've had some injuries and they have too many players in key positions so it's hard to get on a roll before you're subbed out. Or you play not knowing if you're going to be yanked 15 minutes in or play just a half. However, it all starts with the Coach. I'm not referring to the mantra that the buck stops with the coach, but this particular coach. How? Do you ask, well he plays favorites when it's not necessary, he uses boys in the wrong positions and is definitely unwilling to try them in new positions even in practice. Finally, when he does chose to try something new or make adjustments to counteract an opponents strengths, he tries them without practicing it first, so the lads look lost. Take for example, the game against AU where AU just trounced the team 7-1, he implemented a new formation 3-4-1-2 or was it 3-4-2-1, either way it was a horrendous time to try that and yet not realize it's not working and revert back. Many of the families are frustrated not knowing what the future holds for them in regards to the merging of the U16/U17 next year. Obviously not everyone is going to be able to make the move, what are the plans for these clubs for the true U16s who can't make the squad - SCCL/ECNL? In the reduction of 7 U14 teams down to 3 U15 teams, UFA did not do a good job of identifying the talent to bring to UFA. So many were taken by CF and you can see the results in the standings. This is hard to watch because as most of you know my kids are products of UFA. Thankfully, for the next week the coach is out of town and Roberto will be taking the team. I hope he's able to rite the ship and bring some order to things. They have just over a dozen game left for the season. Who knows maybe they can go on a run. Unfortunately, with the new U15 playoff rules - 8 teams qualify for postseason (7 division winners plus 1 wild card based on the highest PPG). So to guarantee you make the playoffs, it's just best to win your division. Can any blame go to the players or do u think it is all the coaching?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 11, 2019 21:38:44 GMT -5
Why does everyone have to play the game of having kids play up and train up. Just train with your regular team. I get it when a kid who is a stud and dominates his peers. We’ve created the ideology that the top players need to play up. I get Atlanta united, their goal is identify and nurture individuals. From my experience it’s been usually the parents behind it happening.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 12, 2019 0:09:18 GMT -5
DA encourages play ups
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 12, 2019 2:47:30 GMT -5
Why does everyone have to play the game of having kids play up and train up. Just train with your regular team. I get it when a kid who is a stud and dominates his peers. We’ve created the ideology that the top players need to play up. I get Atlanta united, their goal is identify and nurture individuals. From my experience it’s been usually the parents behind it happening. Normally, I'd agree with you, but as someone else said it is very encouraged in DA for starters. Additionally, when you watch some practices and you have a couple of kids that can't be stopped or have no real challenge, you start to see them lose interest and then the coach gets on them for the lackadaisical attitude towards practice, the game etc. For the most part, many of the kids being pushed up have no equals on their team and now are being pushed up to give them a real challenge. Don't get me wrong, there are those who's move is precipitated by their parents having a "word or two" with management
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Post by soccernotfootball on Feb 12, 2019 8:02:01 GMT -5
Yep, I've seen it where a kid played up (against the wishes of the coach) after having a word with "management" - that kid struggled and pretty much killed the joy. Not even sure the kid is still playing. But, I've also seen kids play up (suggested by the coach) and not only meet the challenge but excel in the environment. In the DA teams, I would doubt the play ups are due to parent involvement. If the coach sees the kid needs to be challenged more, then it should be encouraged. Now, let's start talking about bio-banding... ;-)
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 12, 2019 11:37:08 GMT -5
Agree they are big on it, especially kids that have been called up to youth national teams. but, then they kind of contradict themselves, when you look at the u17 class and the volume of teams that are currently so 2002 heavy. You can't have it both ways, but I guess you can, because they are doing it!
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Post by welovesoccer on Feb 19, 2019 15:00:14 GMT -5
Forgot this was posted! - I've watch the UFA team play a lot this season, and they do seem to be regressing as a unit. The AU game was very difficult to watch, because tactically they were a mess defensively, allowing way/way/way to much penetration down the left flank. Fusion game was a little bit of both, its always hard to find a positive when you lose to an average team 1-0.
A UFA coach needs attend the next game and watch from a different view point besides the coaching side line. (i'm sure the tape has been watched)
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 19, 2019 15:42:34 GMT -5
Forgot this was posted! - I've watch the UFA team play a lot this season, and they do seem to be regressing as a unit. The AU game was very difficult to watch, because tactically they were a mess defensively, allowing way/way/way to much penetration down the left flank. Fusion game was a little bit of both, its always hard to find a positive when you lose to an average team 1-0. A UFA coach needs attend the next game and watch from a different view point besides the coaching side line. (i'm sure the tape has been watched) It most definitely has been watched, the UFA U-15 Coach is also the Head of Video Analysis for all of DA...FG
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