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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 11, 2019 11:45:41 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, where do the upper-level teams practice at all the clubs? Club websites don't really make this stuff obvious. I think it should be advertised so that parents can make informed decisions prior to that commitment. AFU ECNL - Duluth (Scott Hudgens)/Buford (George Pierce)
CF ECNL 1 - ? CF ECNL 2 - ?
CF SCCL - ?
GSA ECNL - Lilburn? GSA SCCL - Lilburn/Dacula?
NTH GDA - ? NTH ECNL - ? NTH SCCL - ?
SSA ECNL - ? SSA NPL - ?
SSA SCCL - ?
UFA GDA - Forsyth? UFA NPL - Forsyth? UFA SCCL - Norcross?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Feb 11, 2019 11:53:34 GMT -5
For NTH all the teams listed above are from the Buckhead location
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 11, 2019 11:58:57 GMT -5
For NTH all the teams listed above are from the Buckhead location I assume a lot of those girls drive from a long way away? At the 07 age I've seen gold, gold north, and gold milton. Will they try to move a lot of those girls down to Buckhead next year? Also, is the 07 SCCL team the gold NTH team? Obviously I don't know much about the club structure...
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Post by atv on Feb 11, 2019 12:11:05 GMT -5
For GSA I believe most of the girls ECNL and SCCL teams are practicing out of Lilburn. I think there are a couple of exceptions
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Post by goldcoast on Feb 11, 2019 12:37:28 GMT -5
For NTH all the teams listed above are from the Buckhead location I assume a lot of those girls drive from a long way away? At the 07 age I've seen gold, gold north, and gold milton. Will they try to move a lot of those girls down to Buckhead next year? Also, is the 07 SCCL team the gold NTH team? Obviously I don't know much about the club structure... 07 SCCL was a pool of players, not a single team.
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 11, 2019 12:42:28 GMT -5
For NTH all the teams listed above are from the Buckhead location That doesn't mean they practice in Buckhead. Could be Terrill Mill, Metro North, or Franklin Gateway depending on age / level / and week. Probably missing a location or two as well.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 11, 2019 12:50:14 GMT -5
UFA your answers are correct. DA and NPL are Forsyth for girls and SCCL is Norcross. There are two exceptions that I am aware of. U19 Girls NPL is the Milton team (well deserved as that is an excellent team). U17 girls SCCL is a Forsyth team. They won Athena A last year and were a more complete team than the Norcross team in that age groups from what I understand or possibly Norcross couldn't field a team? The U18 are 01/02 at Norcross from what I have read (I have no personal knowledge of that team so anyone who does can chime in). That 02 UFA SCCL team did lose 5 players to the NPL team just due to player movements around the area. Those 5 are really strong players.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 12, 2019 0:16:54 GMT -5
For NTH all the teams listed above are from the Buckhead location Not GDA, I have friends who sometimes have to drive to Decatur for practice
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Post by soccerfan30 on Feb 12, 2019 5:42:51 GMT -5
They were at Lakeside Stadium but they don't use it during the spring due to HS Soccer
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Post by mistergrinch on Feb 12, 2019 9:25:40 GMT -5
For NTH all the teams listed above are from the Buckhead location Not GDA, I have friends who sometimes have to drive to Decatur for practice Some GDA train at Franklin Gateway, too.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 12, 2019 9:41:43 GMT -5
Gah, y'all are giving me anxiety with this spread of locations. Ive read GDA from Decatur and Marietta. Practicing 4x a week driving on the 4th worst traffic in the country. Kudos on the dedication.
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Post by justwatching on Feb 12, 2019 11:29:41 GMT -5
How do most teams decide where to hold training at the ECNL/DA level? Location proximity to the majority of the players on that team? Set club locations? Other?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Feb 12, 2019 12:52:33 GMT -5
How do most teams decide where to hold training at the ECNL/DA level? Location proximity to the majority of the players on that team? Set club locations? Other? At NTH TG sets the practice location for the upper teams, not the individual coaches.
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Post by atv on Feb 16, 2019 18:24:05 GMT -5
Where do the Concorde Fire and SSA teams practice?
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Post by soccerparent02 on Feb 16, 2019 19:16:02 GMT -5
Location of players has nothing to do with how clubs pick practice locations. By the u13 age top players usually will gravitate to the bigger destination clubs. Best players seek out other best players and by u13 they even know who they are. This is true of boys or girls. Parents drive...end of story.
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Post by justwatching on Feb 17, 2019 12:30:00 GMT -5
And what about clubs with multiple locations e.g. Top Hat, Concorde, SSA, UFA, GSA... So if the better collection of kids are at Newnan SSA for their (Concorde) ECNL team will they be forced to travel to Marrietta for training or if the Concorde North group supplies the majority of the players for a particular age group ECNL team will they have to travel to the Central location...?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 17, 2019 13:46:29 GMT -5
And what about clubs with multiple locations e.g. Top Hat, Concorde, SSA, UFA, GSA... So if the better collection of kids are at Newnan SSA for their (Concorde) ECNL team will they be forced to travel to Marrietta for training or if the Concorde North group supplies the majority of the players for a particular age group ECNL team will they have to travel to the Central location...? Don't know about SSA, but yes for Concorde. I know SSA chose to make the Newnan location their SCCL location, but in general the purpose of the top teams is to pool their best from all locations and most clubs chose to train at their "main branch" for the top teams.
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Post by hotspur1 on Feb 17, 2019 15:12:28 GMT -5
And what about clubs with multiple locations e.g. Top Hat, Concorde, SSA, UFA, GSA... So if the better collection of kids are at Newnan SSA for their (Concorde) ECNL team will they be forced to travel to Marrietta for training or if the Concorde North group supplies the majority of the players for a particular age group ECNL team will they have to travel to the Central location...? Don't know about SSA, but yes for Concorde. I know SSA chose to make the Newnan location their SCCL location, but in general the purpose of the top teams is to pool their best from all locations and most clubs chose to train at their "main branch" for the top teams. SSA girls SCCL practices at Mud Creek. (with an occasional Franklin gateway) This is at least the case for the 16, 17, and 18’s. Would assume also the 14’s and 15’s as well but they would’ve had a different practice time so never saw them.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 17, 2019 15:37:06 GMT -5
Don't know about SSA, but yes for Concorde. I know SSA chose to make the Newnan location their SCCL location, but in general the purpose of the top teams is to pool their best from all locations and most clubs chose to train at their "main branch" for the top teams. SSA girls SCCL practices at Mud Creek. (with an occasional Franklin gateway) This is at least the case for the 16, 17, and 18’s. Would assume also the 14’s and 15’s as well but they would’ve had a different practice time so never saw them. Sorry. I should have clarified that the U14 were supposed to be last year's Newnan location for SSA. We were told on the forum last year that they had chosen that team for SCCL and the main branch location for NPL. I did not mean to make that a blanket statement for all ages. I think sometimes we all have tunnel vision on our own perspective which usually comes from the age group(s) our kids are in.
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Post by ultimatedad on Feb 17, 2019 15:49:14 GMT -5
I would not consider any clubs second or third level teams to be top level competition. At that point clubs do not have the resources to coach to a higher level as stated by the spokesman from ECNL. This is the beauty of SCCL. It is what it is. Less travel for kids who know they are not playing D1 and frankly do not want to dedicate every spare moment to becoming great players. Nothing wrong with that. Not meant as an insult. We parents need options for our kids that are not the next Ronaldos. What is wrong is clubs pretending that second or third level teams are something other than that to encourage expensive travel and extra training. If your kid is not one of the top players on the top team at your club maybe you should be playing at the club closest to your home to save on travel time. Just saying. We all take youth soccer way too seriously.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 17, 2019 15:54:03 GMT -5
I would not consider any clubs second or third level teams to be top level competition. At that point clubs do not have the resources to coach to a higher level as stated by the spokesman from ECNL. This is the beauty of SCCL. It is what it is. Less travel for kids who know they are not playing D1 and frankly do not want to dedicate every spare moment to becoming great players. Nothing wrong with that. Not meant as an insult. We parents need options for our kids that are not the next Ronaldos. What is wrong is clubs pretending that second or third level teams are something other than that to encourage expensive travel and extra training. If your kid is not one of the top players on the top team at your club maybe you should be playing at the club closest to your home to save on travel time. Just saying. We all take youth soccer way too seriously. Your not allowed to bring common sense to this board, tic
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Post by ultimatedad on Feb 17, 2019 16:22:18 GMT -5
Sorry about that.
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Post by ultimatedad on Feb 17, 2019 18:09:02 GMT -5
Crickets
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 17, 2019 19:37:17 GMT -5
I would not consider any clubs second or third level teams to be top level competition. At that point clubs do not have the resources to coach to a higher level as stated by the spokesman from ECNL. This is the beauty of SCCL. It is what it is. Less travel for kids who know they are not playing D1 and frankly do not want to dedicate every spare moment to becoming great players. Nothing wrong with that. Not meant as an insult. We parents need options for our kids that are not the next Ronaldos. What is wrong is clubs pretending that second or third level teams are something other than that to encourage expensive travel and extra training. If your kid is not one of the top players on the top team at your club maybe you should be playing at the club closest to your home to save on travel time. Just saying. We all take youth soccer way too seriously. I disagree with this statement as a blanket statement. There are clubs that can field a second team as top level competition. By definition that is not THAT club's top team but they can still be top level. There is nothing wrong with your statement as a whole and I don't disagree with the sentiment that there need to be options for parents and kids that want strong competition without a lot of travel and expense. I do think we all need to understand that SOME big clubs have the depth of talent and the resources to have more than one top level team and treat it as such. Secondly, what one person views as top level is not the same as another person. Some may think top level is the top 5% of DA/ECNL teams (Tophat, Solar,FC Stars, Michigan Hawks, etc). Some might think it is NL teams. Some might think it is the majority of ECNL/DA teams. This is relatively subjective. I think SCCL is a great concept. I think we need to have options for all levels of players. The goal would be to have a program to meet the needs of all players based on travel, time commitment, quality. There are so many lessons that can be learned from sport as well as the health benefits of being active that we should be as inclusive as possible.
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Post by ultimatedad on Feb 17, 2019 20:18:46 GMT -5
So which clubs outside of Tophat has a second team in your opinion is top level competiton? Even their second level teams ECNL are average in what has become an average level league. Again this seems as if Youth soccer is trying to trick us parents that we all need travel leagues to find competition for our special kids.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 17, 2019 21:54:58 GMT -5
So which clubs outside of Tophat has a second team in your opinion is top level competiton? Even their second level teams ECNL are average in what has become an average level league. Again this seems as if Youth soccer is trying to trick us parents that we all need travel leagues to find competition for our special kids. Solar, NCFC, FC Dallas, So Cal Blues and Tophat. So ECNL is an average league now? Besides being mid table does not mean they are not competitive. After all they are better than half of the ECNL teams that they play. I think different platforms are right for different kids. We don't NEED special leagues for our special kids, but for those that DO want D1 scholarships especially at the better schools you need to be playing in ECNL or DA pretty much. Either that or you have to be truly dominant in NPL or NL and do a lot of legwork to make sure coaches see you. Regardless I am just glad there are options that work for people. I think SCCL is great for some people. NPL/NL are great for some people. ECNL is great for some people. DA is great for some and athena is right for some. While the expansion of the leagues is annoying in some ways it does offer a lot of different platforms for people to choose from.
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Post by ultimatedad on Feb 18, 2019 6:52:07 GMT -5
Sorry I should have been more clear. I was reffering to clubs in Georgia that we can send our kids to. Other than Tophat which clubs in Georgia have competitive second teams?
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Post by hotspur1 on Feb 18, 2019 7:46:17 GMT -5
Sorry I should have been more clear. I was reffering to clubs in Georgia that we can send our kids to. Other than Tophat which clubs in Georgia have competitive second teams? Competive second teams and elite second teams are two entirely different things. I personally think “competitive” means a team that can play with or defeat most teams they play against. There are a number of second teams at the larger clubs across all age groups on the girls side that would be considered “competitive”, that would beat most smaller clubs first teams and several I have watched beat larger top teams in ECNL , npl, etc.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Feb 18, 2019 11:20:14 GMT -5
Please share teams that beat ECNL. Curious and wonder if true of boys side...not been our experience.
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Post by ultimatedad on Feb 18, 2019 13:14:00 GMT -5
Look no further than last weekend.
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