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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2019 22:18:40 GMT -5
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 7, 2019 22:28:07 GMT -5
Coordinated social media blitz. NTH just posted it on IG
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Post by Keeper on Mar 8, 2019 0:14:19 GMT -5
Time to add Tenn, NC and Florida to the league since they are the “Southeastern Clubs Champions League”
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Post by infoguy on Mar 8, 2019 8:01:24 GMT -5
Interesting, now wondering what the point of NPL is if SCCL becomes more regional.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 8, 2019 8:45:22 GMT -5
I think they are adding at least a Tennessee Club. Notice it says "Club" not "Clubs". So I assume that will be the only one they add. The 1st/2nd tier promotion/relegation thing I think is still in the works and maybe has been agreed upon, but I assume that will likely happen as well with most clubs getting a 2nd team in all age groups that they can fill one.
I like it because I believe the big clubs are sick and tired of GA soccer and how it is run. Yes I know it is always about the money no matter what league it is, but if the the league is run well (which from all accounts it is) the money issue is the US Soccer culture and will never change and is not relevant to the discussion.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 8, 2019 9:21:41 GMT -5
Interesting that is does say 'club' as it would make to add 2 teams to keep an even number of clubs and for scheduling purposes. After discussions had in the past 2 weeks I will still be surprised if it's not one Tenn club and also 1 Georgia club. Does seem almost a conflict of interest to have both NPL and SCCL in existence
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Post by infoguy on Mar 8, 2019 9:41:26 GMT -5
Interesting that is does say 'club' as it would make to add 2 teams to keep an even number of clubs and for scheduling purposes. After discussions had in the past 2 weeks I will still be surprised if it's not one Tenn club and also 1 Georgia club. Does seem almost a conflict of interest to have both NPL and SCCL in existence Curious why you think it's a conflict, since they're both with U.S. Club Soccer. SSA Boys, SSA considers NPL the first team. I'm sure SSA would like to have ECNL but it didn't pan out.
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Post by justwatching on Mar 8, 2019 9:57:08 GMT -5
Anyone have any insight on why SCCL wouldn't look to add other local clubs before going out of state? For a league geared towards keeping travel down and still having competitive matches seems silly to not just add other ATL Metro clubs when there are some available and competitive.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 8, 2019 10:02:50 GMT -5
Anyone have any insight on why SCCL wouldn't look to add other local clubs before going out of state? For a league geared towards keeping travel down and still having competitive matches seems silly to not just add other ATL Metro clubs when there are some available and competitive. Agreed, also if you expanded with Georgia clubs that would further weaken Georgia Soccer run competition which I believe is the ultimate goal anyway
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 8, 2019 10:03:39 GMT -5
Anyone have any insight on why SCCL wouldn't look to add other local clubs before going out of state? For a league geared towards keeping travel down and still having competitive matches seems silly to not just add other ATL Metro clubs when there are some available and competitive. Just a theory here, but maybe the smaller clubs in Georgia pissed off the big guys when they went to GA soccer and complained about SCCL which caused GA Soccer to react like a petty child. That might be a reason why they haven't added any other GA clubs.
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Post by justwatching on Mar 8, 2019 10:17:31 GMT -5
Anyone have any insight on why SCCL wouldn't look to add other local clubs before going out of state? For a league geared towards keeping travel down and still having competitive matches seems silly to not just add other ATL Metro clubs when there are some available and competitive. Just a theory here, but maybe the smaller clubs in Georgia pissed off the big guys when they went to GA soccer and complained about SCCL which caused GA Soccer to react like a petty child. That might be a reason why they haven't added any other GA clubs. What were the complaints in regards to? Not being included in the league, that the "big guys" taking their teams out of Classic/Athena weakens the GA Soccer leagues that everyone has access to, or something else? Not sure what the complaints were but complaints might have been valid if you are stuck on the outside of the good ole boys network looking in. I forget the reasoning for forming this league but what would be the difference in play (other than no more AL and Carolina teams) if you entered all of these teams in Athena A and Classic I and let them play. If you assume they are the better teams wouldn't they continue to stay in the top division and have the same level of competition they do with the SCCL?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 8, 2019 10:21:58 GMT -5
Anyone have any insight on why SCCL wouldn't look to add other local clubs before going out of state? For a league geared towards keeping travel down and still having competitive matches seems silly to not just add other ATL Metro clubs when there are some available and competitive. I think part of the issue is whether there are clubs with ENOUGH quality teams across both genders and all age groups. For example, several people have mentioned adding LSA. LSA has a few pretty strong teams on the girls side (05 and 03), but the other age groups not so much. Also on the boys side the same issues. So what clubs are strong enough top to bottom age groups wise, boys and girls? Interatlanta? AFC? But AFc would have to drop NPL..I am just not convinced it would add to the program.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 8, 2019 10:24:33 GMT -5
Just a theory here, but maybe the smaller clubs in Georgia pissed off the big guys when they went to GA soccer and complained about SCCL which caused GA Soccer to react like a petty child. That might be a reason why they haven't added any other GA clubs. What were the complaints in regards to? Not being included in the league, that the "big guys" taking their teams out of Classic/Athena weakens the GA Soccer leagues that everyone has access to, or something else? Not sure what the complaints were but complaints might have been valid if you are stuck on the outside of the good ole boys network looking in. I forget the reasoning for forming this league but what would be the difference in play (other than no more AL and Carolina teams) if you entered all of these teams in Athena A and Classic I and let them play. If you assume they are the better teams wouldn't they continue to stay in the top division and have the same level of competition they do with the SCCL? Like I said that is just my theory on it. I have no proof either way on it. Yes the smaller clubs complained because it was taking competitive clubs out of Athena/Classic and the old RPL. SCCL was put together by the big clubs because of how RPL was so poorly run and GA Soccer consistently never tried to do anything about it. Not to mention GA soccer doesn't run the Athena/Classic leagues much better to be honest. Ultimately I think it is about money and control, but I think to a lesser extent the purpose was to create a better run league which from all accounts SCCL is well run.
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Post by spectator on Mar 8, 2019 10:32:20 GMT -5
Just a theory here, but maybe the smaller clubs in Georgia pissed off the big guys when they went to GA soccer and complained about SCCL which caused GA Soccer to react like a petty child. That might be a reason why they haven't added any other GA clubs. What were the complaints in regards to? Not being included in the league, that the "big guys" taking their teams out of Classic/Athena weakens the GA Soccer leagues that everyone has access to, or something else? Not sure what the complaints were but complaints might have been valid if you are stuck on the outside of the good ole boys network looking in. I forget the reasoning for forming this league but what would be the difference in play (other than no more AL and Carolina teams) if you entered all of these teams in Athena A and Classic I and let them play. If you assume they are the better teams wouldn't they continue to stay in the top division and have the same level of competition they do with the SCCL? Reason for forming the league - clubs/parents did not like how the now former SRPL was run/scheduled for reasons varying from being forced to use their hotels to the weather. Then the complaints of driving to Florida to play a team 20 miles away from your home field. Valid reasons but to exclude teams that earned spots in SRPL and only go with the big clubs to form the new league was wrong IMO. Then GA Soccer got pissy and a bunch of adults started acting like entitled brats because of course this is about adults and their wants/needs not kids being able to play soccer. The smaller clubs' complaint was about State Cup - they didn't want non-GA Soccer teams to be allowed to play - same reasoning as the complaints when ECNL players were rostered on State Cup Teams. I will bet you my second million that SCCL players are rostered on State Cup Teams with that 'wink wink' they were dual rostered on Athena/Classic teams all year 'wink wink'. But yes, GA Soccer's reaction is what got the animosity going. IMO no 'adult' in this scenario had the best interest of the players in mind from any side. So glad to have aged out of this mess - I cannot see having league upon league upon league is helping kids at all and the overall intent seems to be to completely destroy the smaller clubs and GA Soccer. Again - not helping the kids who play at smaller clubs. Don't mind me though - just the old member bored at work today checking on how you guys are doing!
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 8, 2019 10:55:12 GMT -5
What were the complaints in regards to? Not being included in the league, that the "big guys" taking their teams out of Classic/Athena weakens the GA Soccer leagues that everyone has access to, or something else? Not sure what the complaints were but complaints might have been valid if you are stuck on the outside of the good ole boys network looking in. I forget the reasoning for forming this league but what would be the difference in play (other than no more AL and Carolina teams) if you entered all of these teams in Athena A and Classic I and let them play. If you assume they are the better teams wouldn't they continue to stay in the top division and have the same level of competition they do with the SCCL? But yes, GA Soccer's reaction is what got the animosity going. IMO no 'adult' in this scenario had the best interest of the players in mind from any side.So glad to have aged out of this mess - I cannot see having league upon league upon league is helping kids at all and the overall intent seems to be to completely destroy the smaller clubs and GA Soccer. Again - not helping the kids who play at smaller clubs. The bolded part above is exactly right. My kid is part of one of those big clubs but ultimately it is all about power, control and money which is systematic of the US Soccer system in general and why we can't compete well Internationally. With my kids still young in the Select and Academy programs, I just have to make the best decision for them based on the options I have available hopefully avoiding any pitfalls in this power struggle.
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Post by justwatching on Mar 8, 2019 11:07:14 GMT -5
I don't really know clubs' top to bottom strength on both the boys and girls side but I would think clubs like AFU, AFC, and Inter ATL could be considerations (as far as AFC giving up NPL I would assume that would depend on what league they saw the higher value in from a competition and exposure stand point for their kids). Again I cannot give a comprehensive analysis of how strong these clubs are top to bottom but I would be surprised if they could not compete there and add value.
But I agree with Spectator, I don't see the benefit of so many leagues. The losers in all of this seem like the kids and the small clubs. The landscape as it is now continues to make the rich richer (big clubs with top talent funneling there) and the poor, poorer (small clubs constantly loosing talented kids). Unfortunately, there seems to be very little benefit/opportunity in being a good team or player with aspirations to play at a high level unless you are at one of these big clubs.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Mar 8, 2019 11:26:13 GMT -5
My prediction is a team from Chattanooga, TN.
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 8, 2019 11:43:22 GMT -5
I don't really know clubs' top to bottom strength on both the boys and girls side but I would think clubs like AFU, AFC, and Inter ATL could be considerations (as far as AFC giving up NPL I would assume that would depend on what league they saw the higher value in from a competition and exposure stand point for their kids). Again I cannot give a comprehensive analysis of how strong these clubs are top to bottom but I would be surprised if they could not compete there and add value. But I agree with Spectator, I don't see the benefit of so many leagues. The losers in all of this seem like the kids and the small clubs. The landscape as it is now continues to make the rich richer (big clubs with top talent funneling there) and the poor, poorer (small clubs constantly loosing talented kids). Unfortunately, there seems to be very little benefit/opportunity in being a good team or player with aspirations to play at a high level unless you are at one of these big clubs. I just looked at the U12 boys NPL standings and AFC is not there. Only UFA and SSA locally.
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 8, 2019 11:44:16 GMT -5
My prediction is a team from Chattanooga, TN. My bet is Alliance FC from Knoxville but many of their matches would take place in Chattanooga.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Mar 8, 2019 11:48:03 GMT -5
Why the red and black stripes on the graphic that was distributed? Could it be a clue to which club is being added?
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Mar 8, 2019 11:56:03 GMT -5
Why the red and black stripes on the graphic that was distributed? Could it be a clue to which club is being added? Good take...5 stripes/ATL UTD? Could it be!?
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 8, 2019 12:05:37 GMT -5
Why the red and black stripes on the graphic that was distributed? Could it be a clue to which club is being added? Good take...5 stripes/ATL UTD? Could it be!? Maybe at the U12 and possible U13 level because no DA program. Interesting
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 8, 2019 12:05:53 GMT -5
Why the red and black stripes on the graphic that was distributed? Could it be a clue to which club is being added? Good take...5 stripes/ATL UTD? Could it be!? LOL...Nah... Unless they are going to add 2nd and 3rd teams not in DA which I don't think even exists right now.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 8, 2019 12:07:55 GMT -5
Why the red and black stripes on the graphic that was distributed? Could it be a clue to which club is being added? Good take...5 stripes/ATL UTD? Could it be!? No. FC Alliance is red and black (and white).
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Post by soccernotfootball on Mar 8, 2019 13:13:36 GMT -5
Good take...5 stripes/ATL UTD? Could it be!? LOL...Nah... Unless they are going to add 2nd and 3rd teams not in DA which I don't think even exists right now. I doubt it would be ATL but they have a number of 08s, 09s, and 10s from the current DA pool and Jr's program. With u12 gone next year (and rumored 13 gone the year after), would they consider joining something to give those kids a place to play games?
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 8, 2019 13:20:58 GMT -5
LOL...Nah... Unless they are going to add 2nd and 3rd teams not in DA which I don't think even exists right now. I doubt it would be ATL but they have a number of 08s, 09s, and 10s from the current DA pool and Jr's program. With u12 gone next year (and rumored 13 gone the year after), would they consider joining something to give those kids a place to play games? I hear ATLUTD wants to join at u12-u13 but they haven’t been accepted. For now, it’s FC Alliance.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 8, 2019 13:45:41 GMT -5
AFC is weak on the girls side Inter is weak on the girls side, and weak in the boys older ages
AFU has just pissed off too many people I guess. They blocked UFA and TH from ECNL for years and Im sure they blocked SSA from it too.... that's 3 out of 5. GSA and CF don't want them to have the same as them (ECNL & SCCL).
As someone mentioned before there just isn't a local club (aside from AFU) that has competitive both boys and girls across the board.
SCCL was created because RPL was poorly run, and GA Soccer was zero help. The little 3 got offended that they were not invited and started a local war to keep the big 5 from Ga Soccer and participating in things.... which they did but then it came back and bit them in the ass. Btw, GA soccer asked the big 5 to bring their NPL and SCCL teams to State Cup and they declined because they're having their own thing.
From what Im hearing, SCCL is being run very well because its run at a club level. I don't understand all the hate towards it. The people doing it, really seem to like it, its not for everyone but it works for them.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 8, 2019 13:46:45 GMT -5
Outside of AFU I don't think there's another GA club with enough depth in both genders and age groups to warrant adding another in state club.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Mar 8, 2019 13:51:49 GMT -5
Would Ga Alliance FC (Inter, Smyrna, Impact) make sense for entry? Their DA application was denied, maybe SCCL would be a good landing spot. See how they compete, use that to further DA application for next year?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 8, 2019 13:59:25 GMT -5
I think part of the issue is whether there are clubs with ENOUGH quality teams across both genders and all age groups. For example, several people have mentioned adding LSA. LSA has a few pretty strong teams on the girls side (05 and 03), but the other age groups not so much. Also on the boys side the same issues. So what clubs are strong enough top to bottom age groups wise, boys and girls? Interatlanta? AFC? But AFc would have to drop NPL..I am just not convinced it would add to the program. Why would AFC have to drop NPL to participate in SCCL? SCCL is not set up for a club’s top team. AFC’s top teams are NPL, second teams play elsewhere basically same as SSA. Because AFC 2nd teams (at least on the girls side) are not strong enough. Unless SCCL expands a fair amount AFC Red teams would not be able to compete. 06, 05, 04 Red teams are Athena C. They are just not big enough to have high quality 2nd teams. In several age groups the second team is their last team. I have heard people say things like "there isn't a big difference between Athena A and B or B and C or C and D." This is not true IMO. I also think that Georgia Soccer is already weakened a lot by the SCCL and NPL departures. GDA has hurt them as well. The difference between an Athena C team and an SCCL team is a lot.
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