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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 14, 2019 12:30:19 GMT -5
I've been having a conversation with a parent whose kid is an 06 who played with a big club's low level 04 team in the fall. That 04 team did not have a spring team (no state cup or any tournaments) so this 06 is without a team in the spring (but has been playing middle school). I have suggested a couple local teams to talk with about joining for the rest of the spring (low level but a lot of games left).
What's the best way to go about getting a release from the club? This parent has called about everyone at the big club but no one will return his calls. Can the club this player joins help facilitate the transfer or release?
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Post by holding on Mar 14, 2019 12:46:44 GMT -5
There really isn't a good way other than trying to convince the DOC or President of the club she is at why they should let her go. Most clubs won't get involved until you get the release, other than the wink, wink we really want you and here is where you would fit conversation. If you follow the process on the Ga Soccer website and do it in writing I think the club has 7 days to respond and if they don't respond you can go to Ga soccer and get them involved.
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Post by sportsdad on Mar 14, 2019 12:49:44 GMT -5
Agree with holding about following the formal GA Soccer process described above.
Is there not an 06 team at the current club they could join? What current league do they play? GA Soccer, US Cub, ??
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 14, 2019 12:49:55 GMT -5
Is joining an 06 team in his or her age group at the same club not an option?
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 14, 2019 13:12:43 GMT -5
You don't need a release, just permission. If his current club has no team for him/her and theyre ok with him/her playing in the spring, clubs will do it. We had a girl do that a few years ago come play with my daughter team in the spring only.
However....it seems your friend's kid is an 06 and not an 04 so his/her current club more than likely has a team they can play in.
If they want a release, and they dont owe any $$ to their current club, they can get released, it just takes a little bit of time. They will also will need to be able to find a team willing to take them since seasons have already started. And I doubt their current club will take them back in the fall
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 14, 2019 14:35:59 GMT -5
This particular parent is very frustrated with this club and club soccer altogether (I doubt they'd care if this club wouldn't allow them back, its a lower level team). Has 2 kids at the club (same team), I don't know why the younger was placed on the older one's team. He is/was considering taking them both out of club soccer altogether and I'm advising against that (if they want to pursue soccer after HS or even get better really). He said that with this low-level team the coaching has been terrible, no development, akin to rec coaching (I'm intentionally not mentioning the club). I've been working with both kids and apparently its helping (technical fundamentals and skills not taught at the clubs they've gone to). The older is a 9th grader playing varsity at a more rural school (and doing very well, hat trick last game). I don't think this club has a lower level 06 team (although this player is pretty good), I don't know if he's talked with the club about the younger joining the mid-level team for the spring, but I'm guessing it wasn't suggested/brought up to him as an option. He has a lot of frustrations with the club.
I don't think this 06 will have any issue getting on a team, again both teams I've suggested would be happy to have this kid. I think both are have less than 16 players.
I've found the docs for E-transfer and How to request a transfer. I guess I should instruct him to contact the coaches, setup a tryout with each club, have him create an online account tied to his kid's player profile, and use the E-transfer system.
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Post by hejausa on Mar 14, 2019 14:44:58 GMT -5
I haven’t taken the time to look at the current rules on this. However, I know I’ve read in the past that once you are rostered on a team, you are considered to be the age of that team for the seasonal year. The player may not be able to transfer to a younger team. That’s something you might want to research.
Most of the time in these situations, players get a transfer, not a release. But you can’t transfer to a younger team (even if that is your actual age group).
I know that it used to be that you could initiate a transfer on your own through the ADG (or whatever it’s called now). I’m not sure if you can initiate a release.
Again, haven’t looked at the rules in a few years, but that might give you an idea of where to start looking.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 14, 2019 15:56:58 GMT -5
Hadn't thought of that. I considered fall and spring separate seasons. I asked GA Soccer about that.
This player may have to simply wait for tournaments and try to guest play at their age with another club.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 14, 2019 18:08:38 GMT -5
Devils's advocate, did they only think thru the fall season, what did they think would happen in the spring when the team would be somewhat disbanded to play middle/high school? They may have to bite things and bide their time till tryouts. They may want to go the option of "guest playing" with teams at their club of choice...FG
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 14, 2019 18:27:55 GMT -5
Having gone through this, there are two steps. First you have to be released by your club. Secondly, once released you can transfer but your current club has to sign off on your transfer. Thus they can control what your new club is. They may not let you transfer to a club that is their direct rival. In our case, the club finally agreed to our kids transfer request only after our player agreed to not play against his former team. We agreed to that stipulation. BTW Georgia Soccer prefers not to be involved. We tried to get their assistance but received no help from them. Good luck!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 14, 2019 19:02:53 GMT -5
They may very well have to wait it out and maybe try to guest play tournaments if possible. Will see if GA soccer responds to my inquiry. The same club at the same level has another team that is playing the spring.
The parent made a mistake IMO letting the club move the younger child up (or even requesting it). The team they were on in the fall was REALLY bad, so I'm sure they regret the move to the big club, likely many promises unfulfilled.
But they were coming from a bad situation at a smaller club (multiple coach replacements for one team). They basically traded clubs with my kid not knowing what had happened the previous year.
People in ATL don't know how good they've got it...don't like a club, drive the same distance in another direction to another club. If you live way OTP and sign with a big club with high expectations of player development, then drive an hour to get there only to realize the team you signed with is terrible. It's a tough pill to swallow for a whole year.
It'd be nice if clubs were honest:
"if you want your kid to be corrected on fundamentals and become technically proficient...you're going to have to pay a private trainer"
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 14, 2019 19:43:48 GMT -5
I disagree with having to pay a private trainer. We found a good club and have found the training outstanding. Our player received their first college offer right after the date was allowed and has received multiple offers since. Your friend needs to take time to visit clubs, watch practice and ask parents. Do you think they went bc their player was promised a move up in age and since it hasn't panned out they are now blaming club? Just a thought...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 14, 2019 19:56:13 GMT -5
I disagree with having to pay a private trainer. We found a good club and have found the training outstanding. Our player received their first college offer right after the date was allowed and has received multiple offers since. Your friend needs to take time to visit clubs, watch practice and ask parents. Do you think they went bc their player was promised a move up in age and since it hasn't panned out they are now blaming club? Just a thought... There are a lot of issues when switching clubs and I hate to say it, but regardless of how much research you do there is still potential for a bad fit. I have done all of the above and while I am happy at our current club I can give you a number of things that we have seen over the last three years. We saw a coach who was awesome with his team in the fall decide that he wanted to spend the spring flirting with another coach and just watching while the teams scrimmaged each other every practice with no direction or help from either coach. I have heard RAVE reviews from multiple parents whose kids were coached by one coach only to see him myself and think that he is stubborn, arrogant and tactically bleh. I have had the same coach for both of my kids only to see him treat the teams VERY differently (still like him a lot but if I expected one style after experiencing him before I would have been shocked to see him with this other team). Have heard parents RAVE about a coach only to have them say their friends think he has changed this year (they left for another club in part because they weren't going to get him this year and didn't like the person they would get). People change. People behave differently in different situations or with different levels of players. No guarantees in life
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Post by Keeper on Mar 14, 2019 20:21:09 GMT -5
So pretty much there’s rules to this in Ga Soccer. Technically since the “host” club has not rostered the player age appropriate for the spring or responded you are able to look at other clubs to dual roster with for the spring. Just make sure it’s the same or higher level as the team from the fall. So if the kid played Classic 2 they would not be able to join a Classic 3 team. If you have a club in particular I’d go ahead and reach out and see if they have any spots available for the spring. Once you do that their registration person should be able to hand the dual registration. Any issues, just reach out to Kim Bowen at Ga Soccer and she should be able to help too.
“310.3b True 14U select program players playing up one or more age groups during the fall season will be permitted to dual roster for the spring season with a 14U select team that participated in the fall season. The secondary team (see rule 310.3d) must participate in the same program and the same or higher division within that program (Classic I, Classic II, Athena A, Athena B etc.) as the primary team, or the equivalent thereof (subject to rule 310.3h).
310.3c Any select program player whose true playing age group is 15U and above and whose primary team does not participate in a spring season may dual roster with another team, either with its member affiliate or with another member affiliate, that is participating in the spring season (subject to rule 310.3h).”
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 14, 2019 22:50:44 GMT -5
Weird, so you have to be good enough to make another club at the same level or higher. But if you were the last sub on your team, you're basically SOoL.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 14, 2019 22:53:13 GMT -5
I disagree with having to pay a private trainer. We found a good club and have found the training outstanding. Our player received their first college offer right after the date was allowed and has received multiple offers since. Your friend needs to take time to visit clubs, watch practice and ask parents. Do you think they went bc their player was promised a move up in age and since it hasn't panned out they are now blaming club? Just a thought... How remote a club was this? If CF or TH, I'm curious what age and level your kid started at? I'm willing to bet those 2 clubs are the exception.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 15, 2019 5:42:06 GMT -5
If your referencing our situation, it was in the metro area.
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