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State Cup
Apr 6, 2019 15:05:49 GMT -5
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 6, 2019 15:05:49 GMT -5
Granted there are still 3 days to register for state cup but very interesting to look over current registered teams, specifically on the girls side:
No surprise numbers are down, looks like most age divisions will only end up with 8 teams competing. Most interesting no GSA, Atlanta Fire or Concorde Fire represented in any age division as of today. Looks like there will be a lot of clubs likely claiming their first ever state cups and moving on to regionals
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 6, 2019 16:51:12 GMT -5
Granted there are still 3 days to register for state cup but very interesting to look over current registered teams, specifically on the girls side: No surprise numbers are down, looks like most age divisions will only end up with 8 teams competing. Most interesting no GSA, Atlanta Fire or Concorde Fire represented in any age division as of today. Looks like there will be a lot of clubs likely claiming their first ever state cups and moving on to regionals p.s. AFU has 7 teams listed for State Cup so far p.s.s. UFA has more teams signed up than any other club
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 6, 2019 17:12:08 GMT -5
Granted there are still 3 days to register for state cup but very interesting to look over current registered teams, specifically on the girls side: No surprise numbers are down, looks like most age divisions will only end up with 8 teams competing. Most interesting no GSA, Atlanta Fire or Concorde Fire represented in any age division as of today. Looks like there will be a lot of clubs likely claiming their first ever state cups and moving on to regionals Here is the current list... soccer.sincsports.com/teamlist.aspx?tid=STATEGA&year=2019&dfix=Y Most teams sign up last 48-72 hours every year btw. As for the clubs with USSFDA, ECNL and SCCL are US Club, but most their USYSA registered teams/players that are legit contenders to actually win, have already signed up.
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State Cup
Apr 6, 2019 19:32:13 GMT -5
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 6, 2019 19:32:13 GMT -5
Granted there are still 3 days to register for state cup but very interesting to look over current registered teams, specifically on the girls side: No surprise numbers are down, looks like most age divisions will only end up with 8 teams competing. Most interesting no GSA, Atlanta Fire or Concorde Fire represented in any age division as of today. Looks like there will be a lot of clubs likely claiming their first ever state cups and moving on to regionals p.s. AFU has 7 teams listed for State Cup so far p.s.s. UFA has more teams signed up than any other club Not on the girls side Also, I do understand teams sign up last minutes which I will never understand you have had over 2 months to get it done. It will be interesting to put the SCCL/npl version of state cup up against the Georgia soccer state cup and see how it shakes out. I’d like to see the winner of GA Soccer state cup play the winner of the SCCL/npl state cup for all the marbles
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State Cup
Apr 6, 2019 19:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 6, 2019 19:53:07 GMT -5
Girls side might be interesting but boys SCCL vs Ga National League teams would be a bad match up for SCCL.
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 6, 2019 20:28:05 GMT -5
Girls side might be interesting but boys SCCL vs Ga National League teams would be a bad match up for SCCL. I watched Vestavia 01 SCCL, 2nd place in SCCL, suffer loss of 2-1 to KSA's 2nd team, 5th place Piedmont League, at Disney tournament. Take that same SCCL team vs KSA's top team and that will not be close.
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State Cup
Apr 6, 2019 20:49:44 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 6, 2019 20:49:44 GMT -5
KSAs 01s last year beat Atlanta united. I know they lost Deedson, but I assume they are still nasty.
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State Cup
Apr 7, 2019 4:12:53 GMT -5
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 7, 2019 4:12:53 GMT -5
It would be interesting if all the winners of the various rec leagues were allowed to compete in the SCCL tournament. How do you think they would do?
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State Cup
Apr 7, 2019 7:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by goldcoast on Apr 7, 2019 7:00:33 GMT -5
It would be interesting if all the winners of the various rec leagues were allowed to compete in the SCCL tournament. How do you think they would do? Rec = Athena B and Classic 2 nowadays.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 7, 2019 7:11:58 GMT -5
It would be interesting if all the winners of the various rec leagues were allowed to compete in the SCCL tournament. How do you think they would do? Rec = Athena B and Classic 2 nowadays. This is a not nice and not accurate statement. There is no question that Athena and Classic teams are watered down but anyone that thinks that academy/select soccer is as bad as rec is not watching the game or the players critically at all. My daughter has refereed several rec games lately and a U14 rec team couldn't beat my other daughter's academy U9 team. Rec ball is absolutely horrible to watch. Over 90% of the players just randomly kick the ball, have no skills at all. Even low level academy players try to pass the ball to a player. Almost all of them can do some basic foot skills like pull backs, cuts, stepovers, etc. Watch the intent of an academy or select player versus a rec player and you will see what I mean.
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 7, 2019 7:34:07 GMT -5
It would be interesting if all the winners of the various rec leagues were allowed to compete in the SCCL tournament. How do you think they would do? Only place these teams/clubs will ever face each other again will be Big Showcase tournaments like Disney. I did a search for all Georgia teams in same divisions that included SCCL and non-SCCL. Notes: I ordered team list by where they finished in the division table. Color coded red for non-SCCL, blue for SCCL or SCCL affiliated club.Observation 1: T here were not a lot of head-to-head matchups but in all the head-to-head results the SCCL teams lost to non-SCCL clubs.Observation 2: In every division that featured SCCL and non-SCCL, the non-SCCL ALWAYS finished higher in the division table.U12 Championship Division KSA 07 Pro Profile, 3-0-0UFA 07 Premier, 1-0-2 UFA Norcross 07 Premier, 0-0-3 SSA 07 SCCL, 0-0-3Head-to-Head: KSA beat Norcross 4-1 KSA beat SSA 2-1 U15 Premier DivisionDDY 04 Wolves, 1-1-1NASA 04 SCCL, 1-0-2 UFA Norcross 04 Premier, 0-1-2 U16 Premier RedKSA 03 Pro Profile, 2-0-1GSA 03 SCCL, 1-1-1U16 Championship Black AFC Lightning 03 Gold II, 1-0-2SSA Chelsea 03 SCCL, 0-1-2 U18 Championship Red PPA KSA 01 Pro-Profile 2, 1-0-2VHSC Steamers 01 Black, 1-0-2 SSA Chelsea 01 Premier SCCL, 0-1-2Head-to-Head: KSA beat Steamers 2-1 U19 Premier Red Darlington School Academy, 1-1-1 KSA 00 Pro-Profile, 1-1-1GSA SCCL, 1-0-2U19 Championship Black AFU Elite, 1-1-1NASA Tophat SCCL, 0-1-2 UFA Norcross Premier, 0-0-3
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Post by hotspur1 on Apr 7, 2019 8:13:01 GMT -5
Re: since SCCL, (and all other leagues) seem to be divisive, let me first say that folks on here go way too far in their hyperbole. Rec teams in SCCL??? Give me a break, it makes you sound like a clown or an admin for a small club that got left out.
Let’s be honest and admit there are really good teams and some non competitive teams in every league. I’ve said it before as have others, we’ve personally witnessed SCCL beat NPL and ECNL teams. We’ve seen NL and NPL play with/ beat ECNL teams. Hell, someone just posted that Atl United boys got beat by a new, small, pop up club.
So since the narrative at the moment is the SCCL sucks, I’m going to respond with game scores every time one of those handful of posters post. Here’s my first:
August 2018, Florida Elite invitational. Concorde Girls 00/01 SCCL beat Krush NPL by a score of 5-3 Florida Elite (NPL) by a score of 4-1 Tampa Bay Select (NPL) by a score of 4-0
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State Cup
Apr 7, 2019 8:24:05 GMT -5
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 7, 2019 8:24:05 GMT -5
Rec = Athena B and Classic 2 nowadays. This is a not nice and not accurate statement. There is no question that Athena and Classic teams are watered down but anyone that thinks that academy/select soccer is as bad as rec is not watching the game or the players critically at all. My daughter has refereed several rec games lately and a U14 rec team couldn't beat my other daughter's academy U9 team. Rec ball is absolutely horrible to watch. Over 90% of the players just randomly kick the ball, have no skills at all. Even low level academy players try to pass the ball to a player. Almost all of them can do some basic foot skills like pull backs, cuts, stepovers, etc. Watch the intent of an academy or select player versus a rec player and you will see what I mean. I totally agree oracle. We can all argue between the different alphabet soups of travel ball but even The lowest Athena would destroy rec ball
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 7, 2019 9:22:25 GMT -5
Let’s be honest and admit there are really good teams and some non competitive teams in every league. I’ve said it before as have others, we’ve personally witnessed SCCL beat NPL and ECNL teams. We’ve seen NL and NPL play with/ beat ECNL teams. Hell, someone just posted that Atl United boys got beat by a new, small, pop up club. Agree. Sad reality is these teams will simply rarely, if ever, go head-to-head again. It's unfortunate that SCCL was not given a name to represent the Big Clubs, then create an "Champions League" designed to mirror Europe's Champions League approach with best teams being represented from all of the available leagues. Never happen, I know, but it's unfortunate. CRYSTAL BALL MOMENT BELOW:Consolidation of the Big 5 may force the changes in the dynamics of these leagues. Concorde Fire and SSA will be fully merged within the next 12 months. Concorde will then have far and away the biggest number of players, the most income and the most leagues. MEGA Concorde will be unstoppable. Exciting times at Concorde. Presumably that will force the remaining big dogs to look for merger combinations to keep up with the new MEGA Concorde. UFA must be looking at magic combo scenarios with GSA or AFU. A marriage with GSA would most likely bring UFA level again with MEGA Concorde. Add Drew, Nuno and Campbell to the executive board and it's a done deal.GSA could try to rekindle the previously attempted merger with AFU. The power players from AFU are now largely gone so a GSA/AFU marriage could happen. I believe GSA is the smallest of the Big 5 right now so it's critical in these next 6-9 months for GSA to solidify a solution or risk dying next to the massive new MEGA Concorde and MEGA UFA.NASA Tophat would greatly benefit from seducing Cherokee Impact into a marriage. Outside of the Big 5, there are not many good partners for the mega clubs. The only good dancing partners are AFU and Inter Atlanta for size and Cherokee Impact for strategic geography control. Inter Atlanta and AFU are probably the next biggest outside of the Big 5. Both Inter and AFU have large full time staff and well defined club structures which make them natural fits for any mega club. Three years from now it will most be the Big 3 and then it might be more important to consider bringing in more of the Non-SCCL/Non-Big clubs to improve the diversity of competition.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 7, 2019 9:38:42 GMT -5
toddga675 bringing it there with the crystal ball predictions, thats deep stuff right there. The shame in all of this is what does winning state cup even mean? It's so confusing to even get your head around the talent level, 3 to 4 quality teams in each age group. I'm nostalgic for the glory years, where all roads led through state cup and winning state cup was your path for greatness. The best of the best competed -- regionals was so special it only happened every other year vs every year. That was the glory years, putting it out there every day, win or go home in tears. We've taken the competition out of a truly competitive sport. It's for the most part become lifelong friendlies. I don't even care about pro-pathways etc - there are some parents I've heard recently that poop on non Atlanta united sides as if its rec soccer also. There is so much more to sport than a professional pathway - my dream, make state cup important again one day, unifi all leagues, and have an open cup that truly is the champion of each age group. I have a right to dream don't I?
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State Cup
Apr 7, 2019 9:48:46 GMT -5
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 7, 2019 9:48:46 GMT -5
toddga675 bringing it there with the crystal ball predictions, thats deep stuff right there. The shame in all of this is what does winning state cup even mean? It's so confusing to even get your head around the talent level, 3 to 4 quality teams in each age group. I'm nostalgic for the glory years, where all roads led through state cup and winning state cup was your path for greatness. The best of the best competed -- regionals was so special it only happened every other year vs every year. That was the glory years, putting it out there every day, win or go home in tears. We've taken the competition out of a truly competitive sport. It's for the most part become lifelong friendlies. I don't even care about pro-pathways etc - there are some parents I've heard recently that poop on non Atlanta united sides as if its rec soccer also. There is so much more to sport than a professional pathway - my dream, make state cup important again one day, unifi all leagues, and have an open cup that truly is the champion of each age group. I have a right to dream don't I? Awesome dream. I can’t see it happening but I like the dream. I like it a lot. The dream of finally seeing proper match ups of all the best teams from all the leagues is good one.
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State Cup
Apr 7, 2019 10:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 7, 2019 10:33:04 GMT -5
Good ol’days had years of major dominance by Concorde Fire, Tophat, and UFA at State Cup. Now none of the Big 5 are really even competing against each other in the same leagues. Yes, the 5 compete in SCCL but that’s with their 2nd/3rd teams and even there for the most part SCCL is dominated by CESA and VH.
None of the 5 dominate boys DA, none of the 5 dominate NPL, Concorde is doing well with 1st teams in ECNL, NTH is doing well with girls DA. But there’s no more huge games of Concorde’s top team vs Tophat’s top team. Other than friendlies. Even AU is failing to dominate boys DA.
I guess Atlanta has just become very watered down with too few top level players spread across too many teams and too many leagues. Days of Atlanta glory are gone.
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State Cup
Apr 7, 2019 11:07:38 GMT -5
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Post by Strikermom on Apr 7, 2019 11:07:38 GMT -5
But why is the 18 and up playing during the week after graduation??? Do they not realize or think these college bound kids are working and can’t get there during the day?? Our whole team may have to bow out because of this. Need to change the timing and push final four back
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State Cup
Apr 7, 2019 11:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by girlsoccer on Apr 7, 2019 11:08:17 GMT -5
Good ol’days had years of major dominance by Concorde Fire, Tophat, and UFA at State Cup. Now none of the Big 5 are really even competing against each other in the same leagues. Yes, the 5 compete in SCCL but that’s with their 2nd/3rd teams and even there for the most part SCCL is dominated by CESA and VH. ” Georgiasoccer411, I assume you are referring only to boys when saying SCCL is dominated by VH and CESA. NTH won the u12, u13, u14, u15, and u18/19 divisions. I’d say winning 5 of 7 divisions qualifies NTH for dominating SCCL.
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State Cup
Apr 7, 2019 14:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Apr 7, 2019 14:55:00 GMT -5
Good ol’days had years of major dominance by Concorde Fire, Tophat, and UFA at State Cup. Now none of the Big 5 are really even competing against each other in the same leagues. Yes, the 5 compete in SCCL but that’s with their 2nd/3rd teams and even there for the most part SCCL is dominated by CESA and VH. ” Georgiasoccer411, I assume you are referring only to boys when saying SCCL is dominated by VH and CESA. NTH won the u12, u13, u14, u15, and u18/19 divisions. I’d say winning 5 of 7 divisions qualifies NTH for dominating SCCL. Of the other 2 age Tophat didn't win they came in second place. The U17 tied for first but lost on tiebreakers. So I do have to agree Tophat third teams dominated the SCCL
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 7, 2019 15:12:43 GMT -5
Good ol’days had years of major dominance by Concorde Fire, Tophat, and UFA at State Cup. Now none of the Big 5 are really even competing against each other in the same leagues. Yes, the 5 compete in SCCL but that’s with their 2nd/3rd teams and even there for the most part SCCL is dominated by CESA and VH. ” Georgiasoccer411, I assume you are referring only to boys when saying SCCL is dominated by VH and CESA. NTH won the u12, u13, u14, u15, and u18/19 divisions. I’d say winning 5 of 7 divisions qualifies NTH for dominating SCCL. @girlssoccer - I apologize. Yes on boys and I'm dead wrong on girls. NTH dominating girls.
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Post by Strikermom on Apr 15, 2019 13:28:27 GMT -5
Only 5 teams at U18 girls and they have all played each other in Piedmont League I believe. I think the timing of the U18 round robin has a lot to do with so few teams.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 15, 2019 16:01:57 GMT -5
They should merge those 18-19 brackets IMO.
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