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Post by Keeper on Apr 11, 2019 20:56:02 GMT -5
So our amazingly awesome little club that has no ties to US Club, ECNL, DA, or any other alphabet soup leagues outside what was R3PL (this year we didn’t have any in the new league) was invited to join the new SCCL second division for next year.
From what we were told was a select group of small clubs that are known to have some decent top teams have been offered spots in the new league and we could potential add more teams in the coming years as they add more divisions.
What we thought was amazing was the Big Six (yes AFU is going into SCCL next year) are planning on pulling everything out of Ga Soccer and the Classic/Athena divisions in less then 5 years. So what will become of GaSoccer and USYS?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 11, 2019 21:12:57 GMT -5
So our amazingly awesome little club that has no ties to US Club, ECNL, DA, or any other alphabet soup leagues outside what was R3PL (this year we didn’t have any in the new league) was invited to join the new SCCL second division for next year. From what we were told was a select group of small clubs that are known to have some decent top teams have been offered spots in the new league and we could potential add more teams in the coming years as they add more divisions. What we thought was amazing was the Big Six (yes AFU is going into SCCL next year) are planning on pulling everything out of Ga Soccer and the Classic/Athena divisions in less then 5 years. So what will become of GaSoccer and USYS? So questions: Does that mean the little clubs are by default second division even if their team is better/higher ranked ? Can the little clubs then earn promotion and can the big 6 be relegated? If goal is to replace Georgia soccer they would need to grab 6-8 small clubs to cripple them like afc, afu, Roswell, interatlanta, LSA, Smyrna ..
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Post by Keeper on Apr 11, 2019 21:25:56 GMT -5
So our amazingly awesome little club that has no ties to US Club, ECNL, DA, or any other alphabet soup leagues outside what was R3PL (this year we didn’t have any in the new league) was invited to join the new SCCL second division for next year. From what we were told was a select group of small clubs that are known to have some decent top teams have been offered spots in the new league and we could potential add more teams in the coming years as they add more divisions. What we thought was amazing was the Big Six (yes AFU is going into SCCL next year) are planning on pulling everything out of Ga Soccer and the Classic/Athena divisions in less then 5 years. So what will become of GaSoccer and USYS? So questions: Does that mean the little clubs are by default second division even if their team is better/higher ranked ? Can the little clubs then earn promotion and can the big 6 be relegated? If goal is to replace Georgia soccer they would need to grab 6-8 small clubs to cripple them like afc, afu, Roswell, interatlanta, LSA, Smyrna .. From what we were told is they’ll be Pro/Relegation style so if the team wins Two they’ll move up to One. Essentially they want SCCL to replace Athena/Classic. I doubt Inter/Smyrna/Impact will be asked for awhile for what they’ve done against the Big Six. AFU is joining next year, and LSA Girls are already Tophat so if they get a solid boys team I could see them joining. AFC will probably follow after NPL. Roswell I’m sure is getting an invite too.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 11, 2019 21:46:36 GMT -5
And everyone thought last year’s tryout season was crazy
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Post by rifle on Apr 12, 2019 6:01:29 GMT -5
Just curious.. who owns US Club? Because storming the castle to replace it with another castle seems.... foolish. It’s gotta be about putting money in somebody’s pocket. Edit: www.usclubsoccer.org/aboutI like the mission. Clubs should be independent. Closed leagues are a protectionist tool that isn’t good for the game. I’m just curious how this even happens.
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Post by atv on Apr 12, 2019 6:48:19 GMT -5
Just curious.. who owns US Club? Because storming the castle to replace it with another castle seems.... foolish. It’s gotta be about putting money in somebody’s pocket. Edit: www.usclubsoccer.org/aboutI like the mission. Clubs should be independent. Closed leagues are a protectionist tool that isn’t good for the game. I’m just curious how this even happens. www.usclubsoccer.org/board-of-directorsIt’s right there on the link you sent. I think this is right please correct me if someone knows better but Board of Directors and Officers are completely composed of member clubs. I would assume any revenue would be funneled back into the organization to fund programs and pay full time administrative members. Direct member vote elects leadership positions, by one vote per member club. No weighted scale.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 12, 2019 8:26:49 GMT -5
So our amazingly awesome little club that has no ties to US Club, ECNL, DA, or any other alphabet soup leagues outside what was R3PL (this year we didn’t have any in the new league) was invited to join the new SCCL second division for next year. From what we were told was a select group of small clubs that are known to have some decent top teams have been offered spots in the new league and we could potential add more teams in the coming years as they add more divisions. What we thought was amazing was the Big Six (yes AFU is going into SCCL next year) are planning on pulling everything out of Ga Soccer and the Classic/Athena divisions in less then 5 years. So what will become of GaSoccer and USYS? Big problems for Georgia Soccer. Losing Big 5 was one thing but losing the next 10 clubs will be the kiss of death.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 12, 2019 9:14:57 GMT -5
That’s good for the smaller clubs in my opinion. This fall will most definitely be interesting. Couple things I hear not sure how true but LSA is about to blow, apparently coaches, directors, players leaving. I no longer have kids at LSA but knowing a few of the board members I can shoot down this false report
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 12, 2019 10:03:05 GMT -5
So our amazingly awesome little club that has no ties to US Club, ECNL, DA, or any other alphabet soup leagues outside what was R3PL (this year we didn’t have any in the new league) was invited to join the new SCCL second division for next year. From what we were told was a select group of small clubs that are known to have some decent top teams have been offered spots in the new league and we could potential add more teams in the coming years as they add more divisions. What we thought was amazing was the Big Six (yes AFU is going into SCCL next year) are planning on pulling everything out of Ga Soccer and the Classic/Athena divisions in less then 5 years. So what will become of GaSoccer and USYS? Big problems for Georgia Soccer. Losing Big 5 was one thing but losing the next 10 clubs will be the kiss of death. Ok let's say GA soccer does not exist anymore. What kind of voice with these clubs have in the league competing with the big five voting members when things go south? Who represents them? Who guarantees fairness? One thing is certain, the big clubs will have an easier time recruiting their best players and at the same time they're building lower leagues that they can fully control for their lower level teams. Smart businessmen cornering the market, but is this what youth soccer needs?
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Post by tatuthebeast on Apr 12, 2019 10:10:08 GMT -5
What did those clubs do to the big 6? Curious what the big 6 did make those clubs react?
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 12, 2019 10:13:27 GMT -5
So questions: Does that mean the little clubs are by default second division even if their team is better/higher ranked ? Can the little clubs then earn promotion and can the big 6 be relegated? If goal is to replace Georgia soccer they would need to grab 6-8 small clubs to cripple them like afc, afu, Roswell, interatlanta, LSA, Smyrna .. From what we were told is they’ll be Pro/Relegation style so if the team wins Two they’ll move up to One. Essentially they want SCCL to replace Athena/Classic. I doubt Inter/Smyrna/Impact will be asked for awhile for what they’ve done against the Big Six. AFU is joining next year, and LSA Girls are already Tophat so if they get a solid boys team I could see them joining. AFC will probably follow after NPL. Roswell I’m sure is getting an invite too. When you're looking at pathways to National Championships, you have to look not only outside your state or region but what's happening nationally. There are three that matter: DA, ECNL USYS. Right now, there is no pathway to a true National Championship in US Club (what they have for NPL and SCCL is a more of joke at a national scale).
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 12, 2019 11:22:35 GMT -5
Big problems for Georgia Soccer. Losing Big 5 was one thing but losing the next 10 clubs will be the kiss of death. Ok let's say GA soccer does not exist anymore. What kind of voice with these clubs have in the league competing with the big five voting members when things go south? Who represents them? Who guarantees fairness? One thing is certain, the big clubs will have an easier time recruiting their best players and at the same time they're building lower leagues that they can fully control for their lower level teams. Smart businessmen cornering the market, but is this what youth soccer needs? fair point
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 12, 2019 11:33:51 GMT -5
What did those clubs do to the big 6? Curious what the big 6 did make those clubs react? Are you new to soccer in GA?
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Post by tatuthebeast on Apr 12, 2019 11:40:05 GMT -5
What did those clubs do to the big 6? Curious what the big 6 did make those clubs react? Are you new to soccer in GA? Ah, somewhat new to the academy scene. All I've heard is one sided so I was looking for the other side.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 12, 2019 11:44:16 GMT -5
Are you new to soccer in GA? Ah, somewhat new to the academy scene. All I've heard is one sided so I was looking for the other side. I don’t think anyone on here can give you accurate views of either side. Only fair way that I know to put it is Big 6 are lined up against Medium 6 clubs. Whose right? Whose wrong? Not sure it matters anymore. Big 6 are with US Club. Medium 6 are with Georgia Soccer. Given size and power, I think it highly likely the Bog 6 will conquer all.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 12, 2019 11:49:00 GMT -5
Ah, somewhat new to the academy scene. All I've heard is one sided so I was looking for the other side. I don’t think anyone on here can give you accurate views of either side. Only fair way that I know to put it is Big 6 are lined up against Medium 6 clubs. Whose right? Whose wrong? Not sure it matters anymore. Big 6 are with US Club. Medium 6 are with Georgia Soccer. Given size and power, I think it highly likely the Bog 6 will conquer all. It depends on who you ask, but Big 5 got tired of how RPL was run so they created SCCL, little 5 got butthurt that they weren't invited to the party. Little 5 then asked for GA soccer not to allow the Big 5 to participate in Piedmont League.... I could go on.....
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 12, 2019 11:54:23 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone on here can give you accurate views of either side. Only fair way that I know to put it is Big 6 are lined up against Medium 6 clubs. Whose right? Whose wrong? Not sure it matters anymore. Big 6 are with US Club. Medium 6 are with Georgia Soccer. Given size and power, I think it highly likely the Bog 6 will conquer all. It depends on who you ask, but Big 5 got tired of how RPL was run so they created SCCL, little 5 got butthurt that they weren't invited to the party. Little 5 then asked for GA soccer not to allow the Big 5 to participate in Piedmont League.... I could go on..... LOL like watching CNN vs Fox, wildly different perspectives on who, what and why. But at this point it doesn’t matter. It is what is. Big 6 will leave Georgia Soccer. Medium/Little 6 will stay. And the remains medium/little will probably follow the Big 6. I feel bad for the ending of 50 years of Georgia Soccer but all things come to an end eventually.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 12, 2019 12:16:15 GMT -5
Regarding LSA, I don't have much inside info but I would guess the talk is regarding the 05G team (their best girls team). This will likely be their only girls in the NL Piedmont in the fall, the U16's finished bottom 3rd of their bracket (lowest GA team).
From what I've heard...apparently the current coach won't be able to coach that team next year due Spring high school conflicts. This as well as the prospect of greener pastures will lead to a few of those 05 girls leaving. So they may have a tougher time in the fall, will have to see. They had 2 of their 05's bolt for UFA after last year, I'm sure their attrition to big clubs will continue as normal.
Haven't heard anything about AFU in the SCCL for 2019-2020, though I may attend the board meeting on Sunday.
I would hope that the new SCCL includes relegation from the 1st bracket.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 12, 2019 12:34:39 GMT -5
Apr 12, 2019 Jumpjumpkeep311 said: From what we were told is they’ll be Pro/Relegation style so if the team wins Two they’ll move up to One. Essentially they want SCCL to replace Athena/Classic. I doubt Inter/Smyrna/Impact will be asked for awhile for what they’ve done against the Big Six. AFU is joining next year, and LSA Girls are already Tophat so if they get a solid boys team I could see them joining. AFC will probably follow after NPL. Roswell I’m sure is getting an invite too. It depends on who you ask, but Big 5 got tired of how RPL was run so they created SCCL, little 5 got butthurt that they weren't invited to the party. Little 5 then asked for GA soccer not to allow the Big 5 to participate in Piedmont League.... I could go on..... Just add on... Then each side decided to not attend each others tournaments to hurt the pocket books of each side. The main three of the "little 5" that Jumpjumpkeep311 stated (btw, thats InterAtlanta/Impact/Symrna), led the charge to get these bans passed, and like it was said, they will therefore probably be the last to be asked, if at all, to join this possible "new" SCCL hierarchy. Basically, it became a bunch of adults acting like children. Meanwhile, the only people hurt by this were/are the parents and the players... which neither side ultimately cared about, because this has become all about BUSINESS now. My question now is, if this happens, are the 3 current out-of-town clubs (BUSA, CESA, VHSA) going to be joining the SCCL 2? If so, that could make for some farther travel for people. If not, they are not included, then do they get an automatic spot in the top division or exemption from the pro/reg that would happen?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 12, 2019 12:35:07 GMT -5
Regarding LSA, I don't have much inside info but I would guess the talk is regarding the 05G team (their best girls team). This will likely be their only girls in the NL Piedmont in the fall, the U16's finished bottom 3rd of their bracket (lowest GA team). From what I've heard...apparently the current coach won't be able to coach that team next year due Spring high school conflicts. This as well as the prospect of greener pastures will lead to a few of those 05 girls leaving. So they may have a tougher time in the fall, will have to see. They had 2 of their 05's bolt for UFA after last year, I'm sure their attrition to big clubs will continue as normal. Haven't heard anything about AFU in the SCCL for 2019-2020, though I may attend the board meeting on Sunday. I would hope that the new SCCL includes relegation from the 1st bracket. This seems accurate, although I think every successful team/club loses a few players each year
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 12, 2019 12:35:15 GMT -5
It depends on who you ask, but Big 5 got tired of how RPL was run so they created SCCL, little 5 got butthurt that they weren't invited to the party. Little 5 then asked for GA soccer not to allow the Big 5 to participate in Piedmont League.... I could go on..... LOL like watching CNN vs Fox, wildly different perspectives on who, what and why. But at this point it doesn’t matter. It is what is. Big 6 will leave Georgia Soccer. Medium/Little 6 will stay. And the remains medium/little will probably follow the Big 6. I feel bad for the ending of 50 years of Georgia Soccer but all things come to an end eventually. I gave him just the main thing. I know both sides very well. Ga Soccer is not going anywhere, it just wont be the top league for most is all
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 12, 2019 12:41:53 GMT -5
LOL like watching CNN vs Fox, wildly different perspectives on who, what and why. But at this point it doesn’t matter. It is what is. Big 6 will leave Georgia Soccer. Medium/Little 6 will stay. And the remains medium/little will probably follow the Big 6. I feel bad for the ending of 50 years of Georgia Soccer but all things come to an end eventually. I gave him just the main thing. I know both sides very well. Ga Soccer is not going anywhere, it just wont be the top league for most is all I don’t want to argue with you on whether or not you know both sides but you presented only one side. Skipping the now pointless sides of the argument, Georgia Soccer is dead. Big 6 represent more than half the revenue and membership of Georgia Soccer. Once Big 6 pull more of the rest of the medium/little clubs and fully extract themselves there is NO WAY Georgia Soccer will survive as is. Not possible. Might be able to survive with a skeleton staff but that’s it.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 12, 2019 12:49:03 GMT -5
If people watched the Sunil Gulati speech at the last president vote, it was astonishing the amount of state organizations praising him and US soccer after his fail well speech. Even Kevin Payne from US club did (US soccer's failures have clearly helped US club soccer).
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 12, 2019 13:02:59 GMT -5
I gave him just the main thing. I know both sides very well. Ga Soccer is not going anywhere, it just wont be the top league for most is all I don’t want to argue with you on whether or not you know both sides but you presented only one side. Skipping the now pointless sides of the argument, Georgia Soccer is dead. Big 6 represent more than half the revenue and membership of Georgia Soccer. Once Big 6 pull more of the rest of the medium/little clubs and fully extract themselves there is NO WAY Georgia Soccer will survive as is. Not possible. Might be able to survive with a skeleton staff but that’s it. (I am a nobody so please forgive the potential naive post) Has the Executive Director of Georgia Soccer gone to the Executive Directors of the Big 6 Clubs and offered them a better deal than US Club? As in, MUCH lower cost offering than what US Club is giving the Big 6. Please tell me that has occurred. I would hate to see Georgia Soccer go down without a fight. Fifty years of history washed away because one executive director did not pull out all the stops. Please tell me that's not happening.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 12, 2019 13:14:35 GMT -5
I don’t want to argue with you on whether or not you know both sides but you presented only one side. Skipping the now pointless sides of the argument, Georgia Soccer is dead. Big 6 represent more than half the revenue and membership of Georgia Soccer. Once Big 6 pull more of the rest of the medium/little clubs and fully extract themselves there is NO WAY Georgia Soccer will survive as is. Not possible. Might be able to survive with a skeleton staff but that’s it. (I am a nobody so please forgive the potential naive post) Has the Executive Director of Georgia Soccer gone to the Executive Directors of the Big 6 Clubs and offered them a better deal than US Club? As in, MUCH lower cost offering than what US Club is giving the Big 6. Please tell me that has occurred. I would hate to see Georgia Soccer go down without a fight. Fifty years of history washed away because one executive director did not pull out all the stops. Please tell me that's not happening What's the Godfather quote... "It's not personal, it business"? Man, if they (Ga Soccer) had just listened to it's clientele, Ga Soccer would never have been in this mess. I,too, am wishing this crap had never occurred. As a parent, this just makes it even harder to navigate this crazy, FUBAR thing that is soccer in Georgia.
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 12, 2019 13:25:03 GMT -5
(I am a nobody so please forgive the potential naive post) Has the Executive Director of Georgia Soccer gone to the Executive Directors of the Big 6 Clubs and offered them a better deal than US Club? As in, MUCH lower cost offering than what US Club is giving the Big 6. Please tell me that has occurred. I would hate to see Georgia Soccer go down without a fight. Fifty years of history washed away because one executive director did not pull out all the stops. Please tell me that's not happening What's the Godfather quote... "It's not personal, it business"? Man, if they (Ga Soccer) had just listened to it's clientele, Ga Soccer would never have been in this mess. I,too, am wishing this crap had never occurred. As a parent, this just makes it even harder to navigate this crazy, FUBAR thing that is soccer in Georgia. Another Godfather quote, “Leave the gun. Take the cannolis.” Georgia Soccer's Executive Director needs to try and bridge the gap. Failing that then I guess “We go to the mattresses.”
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Post by mstm on Apr 12, 2019 14:13:50 GMT -5
Which clubs are supposedly joint SCCL 2? Is it official?
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Post by rifle on Apr 12, 2019 16:27:27 GMT -5
If people watched the Sunil Gulati speech at the last president vote, it was astonishing the amount of state organizations praising him and US soccer after his fail well speech. Even Kevin Payne from US club did (US soccer's failures have clearly helped US club soccer). Hahahahahahahahaaaaa
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 12, 2019 17:23:10 GMT -5
Which clubs are supposedly joint SCCL 2? Is it official? Nothing is "official" but I did hear AFU was approved. Some other local clubs have applied but they haven't been accepted yet.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 12, 2019 17:25:10 GMT -5
I don’t want to argue with you on whether or not you know both sides but you presented only one side. Skipping the now pointless sides of the argument, Georgia Soccer is dead. Big 6 represent more than half the revenue and membership of Georgia Soccer. Once Big 6 pull more of the rest of the medium/little clubs and fully extract themselves there is NO WAY Georgia Soccer will survive as is. Not possible. Might be able to survive with a skeleton staff but that’s it. (I am a nobody so please forgive the potential naive post) Has the Executive Director of Georgia Soccer gone to the Executive Directors of the Big 6 Clubs and offered them a better deal than US Club? As in, MUCH lower cost offering than what US Club is giving the Big 6. Please tell me that has occurred. I would hate to see Georgia Soccer go down without a fight. Fifty years of history washed away because one executive director did not pull out all the stops. Please tell me that's not happening. This was an ongoing issue for years. The big 5 complained and no one did anything. Now that they left they're trying to get them back, but it may be too late
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