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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2019 14:26:25 GMT -5
I finally reviewed the teams in this new development league for DA. The competition seems very questionable. Clubs like Weston shouldn't even be in DA or ECNL because they can't hang. How will they have any depth to be competitive in a second league? Also, Mt. Pleasant? Palm Beach Gardens? Average score will be 8/0. The teams in Cali and Texas will have more depth. What age groups/gender are you referring to? For Boys U15 DA Standings, Weston is in 1st. U16/17 In 7th and U18/19 5th place. Girls DA U15, U16/17 & U18/19 seem to be 6th and 7th place. I do agree that it would be hard for them to furnish a second team that will be competitive. www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/league/standings.php?leagueId=MTA1Ng%3D%3DThe DPL is for girls
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 10, 2019 16:32:39 GMT -5
Yes, DPL is girls. Weston boys player pool and coaches are about to be decimated by Inter Miami.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 10, 2019 17:49:33 GMT -5
I finally reviewed the teams in this new development league for DA. The competition seems very questionable. Clubs like Weston shouldn't even be in DA or ECNL because they can't hang. How will they have any depth to be competitive in a second league? Also, Mt. Pleasant? Palm Beach Gardens? Average score will be 8/0. The teams in Cali and Texas will have more depth. Weston's second team will be struggling against a team of Tophat's second team's quality (provided they keep a fair number of their current players). I agree with you there. Mt Pleasant though is strong if you are talking about their girls' first teams. The 05 team was second in RPL last year with good games against the Georgia teams. They are top of NPL this year. They are skilled and good tactical players. I have seen their 02 team play as well and even though they have lost several games they were all single goal battles. They did compete well the whole time. Their 03 and 04 teams are doing well too in NPL. Palm Beach Gardens is a surprise to me. I know very little about them, but Florida is weird. Their leagues are disjointed. Personally I just don't see the appeal of this league except that they call it a league for DA clubs (though some teams are not in DA so I think that is just marketing.) These Tophat girls will travel a lot and I just don't see why they made this choice...seems like better options could have been negotiated.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 10, 2019 18:46:15 GMT -5
The clubs left because most of their teams could not qualify for SRPL and those that did get in were hammered by the NC teams. Most SCCL teams came from Athena league not RPL. Rpl was not a good place for the big 5 second teams. The clubs left because of 1) $$$ 2) Control 3) Offer Parents/Players a wider range of opportunity in DA/ECNL/NPL/SCCL wherever the player can land. Far more than USYS could ever offer. That may be true but it is also a fact that they got their TOPHats handed to them in RPL. Big clubs second teams were crushed in RPL which is more likely the reason they left to form non competitive SCCL. Poor management of RPL is just a straw dawg. Money is the same or less. Control is weird. why do you think you should have control when your teams can't compete??? League offers less opportunity, unless opportunity to you means playing at a lower level. I get it. Trophies for all means opportunity for those who could not hang in RPL.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 10, 2019 19:25:17 GMT -5
The clubs left because of 1) $$$ 2) Control 3) Offer Parents/Players a wider range of opportunity in DA/ECNL/NPL/SCCL wherever the player can land. Far more than USYS could ever offer. That may be true but it is also a fact that they got their TOPHats handed to them in RPL. Big clubs second teams were crushed in RPL which is more likely the reason they left to form non competitive SCCL. Poor management of RPL is just a straw dawg. Money is the same or less. Control is weird. why do you think you should have control when your teams can't compete??? League offers less opportunity, unless opportunity to you means playing at a lower level. I get it. Trophies for all means opportunity for those who could not hang in RPL. Shocker ultimatedad repeating himself. I think I have heard this song numerous times. Also it was asked to stop having a pissing match on what league is better. We have heard your opinion on this numerous times and time to move on
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Post by newposter on May 10, 2019 19:28:02 GMT -5
This comment from poster who said ECNL players get to tag along in another thread...just wow!
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2019 20:14:08 GMT -5
I finally reviewed the teams in this new development league for DA. The competition seems very questionable. Clubs like Weston shouldn't even be in DA or ECNL because they can't hang. How will they have any depth to be competitive in a second league? Also, Mt. Pleasant? Palm Beach Gardens? Average score will be 8/0. The teams in Cali and Texas will have more depth. Weston's second team will be struggling against a team of Tophat's second team's quality (provided they keep a fair number of their current players). I agree with you there. Mt Pleasant though is strong if you are talking about their girls' first teams. The 05 team was second in RPL last year with good games against the Georgia teams. They are top of NPL this year. They are skilled and good tactical players. I have seen their 02 team play as well and even though they have lost several games they were all single goal battles. They did compete well the whole time. Their 03 and 04 teams are doing well too in NPL. Palm Beach Gardens is a surprise to me. I know very little about them, but Florida is weird. Their leagues are disjointed. Personally I just don't see the appeal of this league except that they call it a league for DA clubs (though some teams are not in DA so I think that is just marketing.) These Tophat girls will travel a lot and I just don't see why they made this choice...seems like better options could have been negotiated. Palm Beach is the old Boca who lost DA
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 10, 2019 20:47:08 GMT -5
Weston's second team will be struggling against a team of Tophat's second team's quality (provided they keep a fair number of their current players). I agree with you there. Mt Pleasant though is strong if you are talking about their girls' first teams. The 05 team was second in RPL last year with good games against the Georgia teams. They are top of NPL this year. They are skilled and good tactical players. I have seen their 02 team play as well and even though they have lost several games they were all single goal battles. They did compete well the whole time. Their 03 and 04 teams are doing well too in NPL. Palm Beach Gardens is a surprise to me. I know very little about them, but Florida is weird. Their leagues are disjointed. Personally I just don't see the appeal of this league except that they call it a league for DA clubs (though some teams are not in DA so I think that is just marketing.) These Tophat girls will travel a lot and I just don't see why they made this choice...seems like better options could have been negotiated. Palm Beach is the old Boca who lost DA Magic Jack's? Or Boca United?
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Post by ultimatedad on May 10, 2019 20:49:00 GMT -5
I dont know where you get your info. The Mount Pleasent 03 girls team is far better than any ECNL team at that age level. I think that some parents from the big 5 think their teams are much better than they actualy are due to prejudice against other clubs. You aint that good.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 10, 2019 20:56:44 GMT -5
I dont know where you get your info. The Mount Pleasent 03 girls team is far better than any ECNL team at that age level. I think that some parents from the big 5 think their teams are much better than they actualy are due to prejudice against other clubs. You aint that good. Thanks ultimatedad. Every team in the NL is better then every team in ECNL. Can we go back to the topic now? If you like I can start a thread about everything NL and you can tell everyone your feelings.
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Post by newposter on May 10, 2019 21:42:07 GMT -5
Ultimatedad has made negative comments on multiple threads...wow!
ECNL teams have been the top girls league for years. There are many boy's ECNL teams who can play with DA teams. Let's be positive about the players.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 10, 2019 22:08:29 GMT -5
I dont know where you get your info. The Mount Pleasent 03 girls team is far better than any ECNL team at that age level. I think that some parents from the big 5 think their teams are much better than they actualy are due to prejudice against other clubs. You aint that good. Thanks ultimatedad. Every team in the NL is better then every team in ECNL. Can we go back to the topic now? If you like I can start a thread about everything NL and you can tell everyone your feelings. As requested, a safe space for all things NL has been created - gasoccerforum.com/post/34324/threadPlease be kind and share this with those who you think would benefit from having this safe space.
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Post by ecnldad on May 10, 2019 22:29:07 GMT -5
I dont know where you get your info. The Mount Pleasent 03 girls team is far better than any ECNL team at that age level. I think that some parents from the big 5 think their teams are much better than they actualy are due to prejudice against other clubs. You aint that good. If head to head matchups matter, the 03 girls ECNL team with the worst statistical finish in Georgia in the ECNL Southeastern Region, the newly created Concorde 03 Premier team, played and beat the Mt. Pleasant 03 girls in the fall. Mt. Pleasant is good. They aren't on par with the Ga ECNL teams.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 11, 2019 8:05:56 GMT -5
I dont know where you get your info. The Mount Pleasent 03 girls team is far better than any ECNL team at that age level. I think that some parents from the big 5 think their teams are much better than they actualy are due to prejudice against other clubs. You aint that good. This is a blanket statement about parents of players at the big 5 (now 6 that AFU is in SCCL) that is prejudice in and of itself. For your info, I am a big 6 parent and I spoke highly of Mt Pleasant. I think they have a great club (on the girls side...don't know about their boys). However, I think that making statements like they are "far better than any ECNL team at that age level" is an inflammatory and ridiculous statement as it has not a shred of actual data to back it up. Even if the team actually beat ONE high level ECNL team that still is not enough data to back that statement. Any team can have a good day and any team can have a bad day. Same thing goes for the data behind the lowest southeast ECNL team (Concorde Premier 03 ) beating Mount Pleasant. I don't think that means that Concorde Premier is better. They were just better (or maybe even lucky) on that day. Mount Pleasant is a good club on the girls side and will probably do fine in this new DPL. Not sure why they would want to travel outside their state for ALL of their away games but they were doing that in NPL too so probably no biggee for them. However there is no need to slam the big 6 clubs over this issue or any issue, for that matter. Take your vitriol elsewhere and try sticking to CONSTRUCTIVE AND HELPFUL statements instead of bitterness and hate.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 11, 2019 21:06:35 GMT -5
The vitiol seems to be coming from you. Stating facts about which teams are better or worse based on actual match play and not based on league placement is just stating the facts. It is not meant to upset you. Please don't blame the messanger for shedding light on the truth. We are all in this together and there is no need to be disrespectful to people you disagree with.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 11, 2019 21:13:17 GMT -5
The vitiol seems to be coming from you. Stating facts about which teams are better or worse based on actual match play and not based on league placement is just stating the facts. It is not meant to upset you. Please don't blame the messanger for shedding light on the truth. We are all in this together and there is no need to be disrespectful to people you disagree with. Ha! PLEASE! hahaha! Pot...meet kettle. Why don't you look at what other posters think of your posts?!? Disrespectful? Look inward. Besides, in case you hadn't noticed, I was complimenting Mount Pleasant just like you were so I was not disagreeing with your comments in general...just with your comments regarding their "far better" than ECNL teams comment which appears designed to be disrespectful towards ECNL teams. Let me just quote your "respectful" comment on another thread. Yes the ECNL is the best so we can travel to California to be recruited by Columbus State! Read more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/3976/awesome-nl-lego-movie-theme#ixzz5nfliWp25
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Post by ultimatedad on May 11, 2019 21:29:23 GMT -5
Saying one team is better than another based on level of play is not disrespectful. It is honesty. I am sorry that I somehow hurt your feelings but I feel that telling the truth trumps your desire for me to say things that you like to hear.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 11, 2019 21:31:11 GMT -5
I think we all agree that traveling to California to get recruited by Columbus State is silly. Do you not concur?
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Post by ultimatedad on May 11, 2019 21:32:41 GMT -5
This is the main problem with youth soccer today and unless we have the courage to face this fact it will never be fixed.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 11, 2019 21:50:16 GMT -5
Saying one team is better than another based on level of play is not disrespectful. It is honesty. I am sorry that I somehow hurt your feelings but I feel that telling the truth trumps your desire for me to say things that you like to hear. It isn't hurting my feelings. I don't have a kid that plays ECNL and even if I did I am tough enough to withstand your comments. I just think you are mean to a lot of people and I think that people need to stand up to people like you that say things just to annoy and hurt others. There are some of your comments that I have agreed with in the past. Not everything you say is nasty, but sometimes you are just being nasty and hurtful rather than constructive and helpful. IMO this is one of those times. As for the comment regarding traveling to California to be recruited to Columbus State I would say you are oversimplifying things. There are many lessons to be learned playing soccer and even traveling a long distance to play. You never know what you will learn. Also I am pretty sure that most people don't go into playing ECNL with the goal of playing for one school. They are usually young, with big dreams, and don't really know where they want to go to school so they are not traveling to California for the purpose of getting recruited to Columbus State. Finally, is traveling to Las Vegas for NL competition any better than going to California?
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Post by footyfan on May 12, 2019 16:56:40 GMT -5
What are the qualifications for DPL? Mount Pleasant was unable to get into ECNL so assume the quals are less?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2019 17:08:05 GMT -5
What are the qualifications for DPL? Mount Pleasant was unable to get into ECNL so assume the quals are less? No idea what the qualifications are (maybe soccermom knows), but I wouldn't assume that not getting ECNL means you don't have the qualifications. It is very political.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 12, 2019 18:23:36 GMT -5
What are the qualifications for DPL? Mount Pleasant was unable to get into ECNL so assume the quals are less? No idea what the qualifications are (maybe soccermom knows), but I wouldn't assume that not getting ECNL means you don't have the qualifications. It is very political. That is correct, it has nothing to do with qualifications, if it then it wouldn't have taken TH so long to get it. There's a few teams that deserved it and never got it and some that should have lost it but never did.
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