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Post by greenmonkey on May 14, 2019 9:44:26 GMT -5
Has anyone been told anything official about how Champions Cup is deciding which teams advance from this weekend at UFA/NTH tournaments into a playoff division the next weekend at GSA Rev Cup?
I know the press release states:
The winners of each division will play in the Championship SCCL Cup Bracket.The remaining teams will play in the Showcase SCCL Cup Bracket on the 2nd weekend of play at the GSA Revolution Cup and Showcase. Both weekends will host numerous college scouts.
But the reality is the U12-U14 boys and girls are all in two brackets in one division. And the older ages like U15 boys are in 3 brackets or the u15 girls are one large bracket of 9 teams I think? So I’m thinking it’s not just one winner from each division playing in the championship bracket?
What is everyone else either hearing or speculating?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 14, 2019 9:59:15 GMT -5
So the SCCL Champions Cup is U15 and up?
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Post by greenmonkey on May 14, 2019 10:11:37 GMT -5
No it’s all SCCL age groups
The SCCL Cup will be split among two events on the weekend of May 17-19th. The 12U-14U SCCL Cup participants will play in the UFA Extreme Cup, and the 15U-19U teams will play in the NTH Select Cup and Showcase. Teams will be seeded and play a round robin schedule.
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Post by greenmonkey on May 14, 2019 10:15:53 GMT -5
" socceristhebest" No - assumed it was each group winner advanced to the next weekend. So a group A winner and a group B winner play in the championship round? That’s just silly that’s not a round thats just a final game? I doubt they are having the two teams that win the group play each other in a best of three games the next weekend LOL
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Post by interestedspectator on May 14, 2019 10:20:08 GMT -5
Semi finals and finals over GSA weekend. The other teams play in a 3 game showcase.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 14, 2019 13:45:50 GMT -5
Semi finals and finals over GSA weekend. The other teams play in a 3 game showcase. I believe this is correct. Top 2 teams from each bracket do a semifinal and then final.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 14, 2019 13:49:20 GMT -5
Semi finals and finals over GSA weekend. The other teams play in a 3 game showcase. I believe this is correct. Top 2 teams from each bracket do a semifinal and then final. From what I am hearing the other 3 teams (along with other ECNL/NPL teams, and teams that may be in SCCL and SCCL-p next season) will all play each other in a lower division like a normal tournament. This "showcase/tournament" I think is just for the Big 5 to figure out which teams they actually should have in SCCL and SCCL-p next season by letting the teams currently in the Classic system play the current SCCL teams that didn't win.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 14, 2019 13:54:11 GMT -5
I believe this is correct. Top 2 teams from each bracket do a semifinal and then final. From what I am hearing the other 3 teams (along with other ECNL/NPL teams, and teams that may be in SCCL and SCCL-p next season) will all play each other in a lower division like a normal tournament. This "showcase/tournament" I think is just for the Big 5 to figure out which teams they actually should have in SCCL and SCCL-p next season by letting the teams currently in the Classic system play the current SCCL teams that didn't win. Easy enough to a 3 game showcase with the 4 teams that don't advance in an 8 team flight. We were told originally that the top 2 from each bracket go to a semifinal and then the winners to the final. Otherwise it should just be like a regular tournament and have a final on Sunday. In our division there is only one team that isn't already SCCL or NPL.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 14, 2019 14:14:19 GMT -5
From what I am hearing the other 3 teams (along with other ECNL/NPL teams, and teams that may be in SCCL and SCCL-p next season) will all play each other in a lower division like a normal tournament. This "showcase/tournament" I think is just for the Big 5 to figure out which teams they actually should have in SCCL and SCCL-p next season by letting the teams currently in the Classic system play the current SCCL teams that didn't win. Easy enough to a 3 game showcase with the 4 teams that don't advance in an 8 team flight. We were told originally that the top 2 from each bracket go to a semifinal and then the winners to the final. Otherwise it should just be like a regular tournament and have a final on Sunday. In our division there is only one team that isn't already SCCL or NPL. Yes for the tournament this weekend that is correct for most age groups. Where they needed an extra team, a team that is being considered for SCCL or SCCl-p next season was put in the bracket. I'm specifically talking about the GSA tournament for the teams that do not make the semi-finals and finals. I had heard there would be numerous non ECNL/NPL/SCCL teams that would be in the GSA tournament that would get to play the ECNL/NPL/SCCL teams that did not make the semi-finals and finals sort of their chance to prove they should be in SCCL next season type of thing since SCCL is expanding next season and also I'm not sure some of the Big 5 are happy either with some of the teams they have in the 1st division of SCCL currently which would mean some of those teams may be given to other teams if they show they are better.
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Post by greenmonkey on May 14, 2019 17:47:32 GMT -5
Although I appreciate the help and clarity in The top two teams from each bracket advance to a semi-final and a final ...
That all sounds well and good until you actually look at the groups as they are divided up amongst the champions league bracket. It is not that simple anymore
U12B Champions League (Group A and Group B each have 3 teams - guess the bottom two teams move to showcase the next weekend with other teams in a showcase bracket)
Group A UFA Forsyth 07B Premier UFA Norcross 07B Premier SSA Chelsea 07B SCCL
Group B Concorde Fire 07B SCCL GSA 07B SCCL NTH NASA 07B SCCL
U13B Champions League (two groups of 4 teams - guess top two in each group advance)
Group A UFA Norcross 06B Premier NTH NASA 06B SCCL GSA 06B SCCL SSA Northside 06B Black
Group B UFA Forsyth 06B Premier GSA 06B ECNL Concorde Fire 06B SCCL SSA Chelsea 06B SCCL
U14B Champions League (this looks fun one group of 4 teams and one group of 3 teams - do we still go with top two in each group?)
Group A SSA Chelsea 05B SCCL Concorde Fire SCCL 05B GSA 05B SCCL SSA Chelsea 05B NPL
Group B NTH NASA 05B SCCL UFA Forsyth 05B Premier UFA Norcross 05B Premier
U15B (Now THIS gets complicated ... 3 GROUPS of 4 teams per group ... any guess on how that works to advance to semi's the next weekend)
Champions League Group A NTH NASA 04 Milton SCCL SSA Chelsea 04B NPL Concorde Fire Central Boys Elite GSA 05B ECNL
Champions League Group B GSA 04B SCCL SSA Chelsea 04B SCCL Southern States Soccer Academy B04 Premier NTH NASA 04B Elite
Champions League Group C UFA Norcross 04B Premier UFA Forsyth 04B Premier U15B SCCL Concorde Fire TUSC 05B Red
U16B (Same situation as the U15B ... 3 GROUPS of 4 teams per group ... any guess on how that works to advance to semi's the next weekend)
Champions League Group A Concorde Fire 03B Central Elite Gulf Coast Texans 03 Real Madrid UFA Norcross 03B Premier NTH NASA 03 ECNL
Champions League Group B NTH NASA 04B ECNL UFA Forsyth 03B Premier SSA Chelsea 03B SCCL GSA 03B SCCL
Champions League Group C AFC Lightning 03 Gold SSA Chelsea 03B NPL NTH NASA 03 SCCL Concorde Fire SCCL U16B
U17B Champions League (Well this time let's just put all ten teams in the same group ... and advance top four? )
Group A SSA Chelsea 02B SCCL UFA Norcross 02B Premier IMG Academy U17 Boys AFC Lightning 02 Gold GSA North 02B Premier SSA Chelsea 02B NPL Roswell Santos 02B Blue UFA Forsyth 02B Premier All in FC 02 Boys Marietta NTH Milton 02 SCCL
U19B Champions League (Let's do the same thing we did when we grouped the U17's)
Group A IMG Academy U19B SSA Chelsea 01/00B NPL Southern States Soccer Academy B01 Elite SSA Chelsea 01B SCCL NTH NASA 00/01B Elite UFA Norcross 00/01B Premier PPA GS 01B Elite Clasico NTH NASA 00/01 SCCL NTH NASA 02B ECNL GSA North 01/00B Premier
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Post by surgesoccer on May 14, 2019 22:58:27 GMT -5
For the SCCL cup teams actually have to register for both tournament, so cost is something like $1,200. Was also told each team is guaranteed 6 games so that would leave me to believe that both weekends are round robins with first weekend top two point getters advancing (at least in 2 bracket divisions). Second weekend would seem to be winner is decided by points.
Not a fan of SCCL Cup at this point. If all SCCL, NPL and ECNL teams participated then I would be more of a fan. For us we're stuck in a bracket with 3 teams so will only play two games this weekend. One team we've played 4 times already and the other we've played twice. Assuming top two advance in our bracket, so in the next weekend we would possibly play the team from our bracket a fourth time, and the expected teams from the other bracket we will have played 1 twice already and the other 5 times.
Think I would prefer to play a tournament where we are playing new teams. Would have preferred that SCCL had accepted offer to play teams in State Cup.
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Post by soccergurl on May 15, 2019 5:31:46 GMT -5
$1200, am I the only one who feels like part of the goal for the sccl is the added benefit of boosting end of season tourney coffers in addition to charging DA/ECNL fees since they are forced to go till memorial day weekend?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 15, 2019 7:16:08 GMT -5
$1200, am I the only one who feels like part of the goal for the sccl is the added benefit of boosting end of season tourney coffers in addition to charging DA/ECNL fees since they are forced to go till memorial day weekend? I would say most teams already play 2 post-season tourneys anyway. I mean that is my experience over the years at least. I don't think their was a year where my kid's team didn't play 2 in the Post-Season. Given the team names of the teams they have played over the years int these tourneys as well sometimes they saw the same teams the very next weekend as well. So I know they were not alone playing 2 in the Post-Season. So for most in SCCL I'm not sure $1200 is a big deal when they were already paying that playing in the Classic system already whether it be a tournament and State Cup, or just two tournaments.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 15, 2019 7:18:53 GMT -5
For the SCCL cup teams actually have to register for both tournament, so cost is something like $1,200. Was also told each team is guaranteed 6 games so that would leave me to believe that both weekends are round robins with first weekend top two point getters advancing (at least in 2 bracket divisions). Second weekend would seem to be winner is decided by points. Not a fan of SCCL Cup at this point. If all SCCL, NPL and ECNL teams participated then I would be more of a fan. For us we're stuck in a bracket with 3 teams so will only play two games this weekend. One team we've played 4 times already and the other we've played twice. Assuming top two advance in our bracket, so in the next weekend we would possibly play the team from our bracket a fourth time, and the expected teams from the other bracket we will have played 1 twice already and the other 5 times. Think I would prefer to play a tournament where we are playing new teams. Would have preferred that SCCL had accepted offer to play teams in State Cup. I think the issue here is instead of it being just the GA teams of SCCL/NPL/ECNL it should have been the expanded region including Alabama, Tennessee, and South Carolina teams. If you needed to rotate where it would get played every year to every state participating to get those clubs involved so be it, but competition wise it would have been better to get more than just the same teams playing over and over again. Hopefully they learn from this and do something like that next year.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 15, 2019 7:45:59 GMT -5
For the SCCL cup teams actually have to register for both tournament, so cost is something like $1,200. Was also told each team is guaranteed 6 games so that would leave me to believe that both weekends are round robins with first weekend top two point getters advancing (at least in 2 bracket divisions). Second weekend would seem to be winner is decided by points. Not a fan of SCCL Cup at this point. If all SCCL, NPL and ECNL teams participated then I would be more of a fan. For us we're stuck in a bracket with 3 teams so will only play two games this weekend. One team we've played 4 times already and the other we've played twice. Assuming top two advance in our bracket, so in the next weekend we would possibly play the team from our bracket a fourth time, and the expected teams from the other bracket we will have played 1 twice already and the other 5 times. Think I would prefer to play a tournament where we are playing new teams. Would have preferred that SCCL had accepted offer to play teams in State Cup. This is one knock on SCCL is the repetitive fixtures. When everyone touts less travel and playing the rivals around you, that is nice for some. But the counter argument is that you play the same teams multiple times, especially at U14 and under. Some people get tired of it. I like the idea of SCCL overall, but I do see how this can get annoying. I see why some people would want a fresh set of teams in a tournament
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 15, 2019 9:14:07 GMT -5
The other big issue is high school championship games. I know many are missing 3-5 players on some teams.
This should have been done in Dec and just been done with it, or not done at all in year 1.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 15, 2019 10:28:08 GMT -5
The other big issue is high school championship games. I know many are missing 3-5 players on some teams. This should have been done in Dec and just been done with it, or not done at all in year 1. And HS and College Graduations that Brother and Sisters have to attend
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 15, 2019 11:47:02 GMT -5
I was anti SCCL at first, then I got on board. Well run, affordable, limited travel, relatively quality competition. good coaching etc. Now, I'm concerned that this going to all be about the money, as fees go up, and forced to play in these mandatory tournaments -- like the old days where each club just made deals to send teams to each others tournaments. Want to add some excitement to this --- winning team of each group during the year gets to play the following year with discounted fees. It really felt like this was something being done that was in the best interest of the kids --- please keep it that way, don't make it something its not. Its not ECNL, its not DA, its a nice level of competition for parents and kids that don't want to have to spend 1000s of dollars traveling around the southeast. Please keep SCCL affordable and making sure the kids are the number 1 priority! I think SCCL can attract top players, I've seen it first hand. Many talented kids that are maybe in the gap year, got cut from DA etc..or just a kid who still plays multiple sports. I love the post, but I think I am more of a cynic than you are. I like SCCL, but I like Classic I as well. In the end US Soccer is all about money first off and the player second. It doesn't matter what alphabet league you are in. The bottom line is it is always about the money. As a parent you just have to navigate through that and find the right fit for your kid. Every league and club is going to disappoint you at some point. Its just the sad fact of US soccer.
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