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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 18:42:54 GMT -5
Bpgbeieio - that explains a lot .....
ETA
"through your vitriol and response, it is easy to tell you are a NASA parent"
where do you read vitriol in my responses? I stated what I have observed at my child's age group. It's my opinion and observation - period. I did call one club 'Thugs' - you called one 'Hillbillies' yet my response is vitriol?
I gave my observation every other club (worth mentioning) including every club that my child has played for (2) or against (many).
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 13:07:51 GMT -5
DVR-ing both - can't watch either right now
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 12:17:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately at U13 and the lower levels of U14-U15, you will face this again when there's a shortage of ARs available. Some teams have 'designated' parents to take on that role - they're aware of the rules of the game but are not certified referees (you can't ref your own kid's game). And these designated parents are told to be objective and not blatantly coach or influence either team.
There is a shortage of referees in GA - you'll most likely run into this again for the next few years. Talk to your coach about designating the most objective parent if it happens on your home field or who could volunteer if you're away.
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 12:13:45 GMT -5
I saw DSC players and parents make monkey chants at the Gs. I know three over-aged players who competed at Ambush My children competed against NASA for yours and every time a striker beat a NASA player off a dribble/move the NASA player made a "professional fou" leg chop. I was teasing about Rush. Seems to me that your inability to accept the views of others is what is bring the "attitude" of the old forum to this venue I asked for the views of others and for you to expand on what you wrote. You did (kind of) but you still limited to only those three clubs. Surely you have other observations, Didn't know you were kidding about Rush - there's not a sarcasm font so it's hard to read when that's intended.
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 11:53:25 GMT -5
My daughter and many of her teammates have expressed an interest in getting certified to referee. It involves a two day all day class and an investment for the training and gear. For a young teen who plays and knows the game, it's a good way to earn some cash. Once certified, the girls could be center ref for any Rec or Acdemy up through U12 8v8 games and AR for up to U14 11v11 games.
At least that's the up side.
The down side - parents on the sidelines. I've seen too many games over the past year or so where parents literally bully and berate the referee or AR. There's also an article on GA Soccer that states most referees quit after their first year and in GA less than 600 current refs have over 4 years experience - reason sited - parents on the sidelines.
So - fellow soccer parents, would you want your teen to be a referee in GA? Maybe that's what we all need to think about before criticizing any referees - that could be your kid out there.
And yes, she's taking the class with her teammates - she knows what to expect.
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 11:41:30 GMT -5
Dacula - are hillbillies Ambush - are age cheaters NASA - coaches teach leg chops and foul play Rush - highly educated parents who understand soccer at every level and players who play possession control soccer under the skilled leadership of National Team COACH rf Ladies and Gentlemen - meet the Forum's Rush parent;;; Come on, be objective or at least factual. You don't know if a team plays players above the age group or what the coaches teach unless you're there - and based on your post, you're obviously not at Ambush or NASA. In all the years my kid has played soccer, no coach has ever 'taught' leg chops or foul play. Now the parents may have instructed it from the sidelines and I witnessed this year, a parent being ejected from a game for doing it (GSA). Seriously - don't stoop to old forum tactics with the 'everyone but Rush' sucks mentality. Surely you've seen more than three other clubs play your teams - the OP asked for your observations not your opinions - what have you seen on the field or sidelines by club that paints your perception of that club or age group? If you're capable of doing this, I'd also be interested in someone else's perception of clubs in the area. Peace
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 10:43:59 GMT -5
In our age group current U14 girls but reflecting back through Academy through all clubs played against and with:
GSA very physical play but not dirty. Parents obnoxious
UFA physical play and dirty at mid level teams. Elite just good - no need to resort to dirty play. However, the parents are worst in age group
Ambush - second worst parents in age group. Players very good though.
Top Hat - damn good teams. Never an issue with parents
Concorde - good players - parents vary by level - had great and not great through the years
NASA depends on level Teams typically strong; crap shoot with sidelines - seen every extreme
Norcross. - typically good players - can't remember any negative issues with parents
SSA/old Cobb FC - physical play - gets out of hand if players frustrated with score. Parents remarkably sedate - have had very nice sidelines conversations with that group
Augusta - dirty players and will stoop to cheating if possible. Parents just as obnoxious. Good team - just needs to play the game and not resort to dirty tactics.
AFC - depends on level. Elite parents obnoxious. Premier was OK
Cherokee. Back in the day - very physical team. Parents OK depended in the score.
Santos - players a non factor - parents clueless. Combative with refs over everything and full of loud excuses when they lose.
Macon. Thugs. On field and sidelines. Profanity and combative - waiting for sideline brawl one day
Athens. Players ok - lots of on field smack talk wirh profanity - they play better than they act. Parents obnoxious and delusional whining that everything is a foul
Chiefs. - never an issue with players or parents
Again. This is my kid's age and gender only. I'm sure others have different experience
edited to add
Rush - never played them - not a strong force in this age group for girls in GA.
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 8:12:32 GMT -5
Home team is responsible for refs so notify the club. If you played under protest, the coach and manager need to file official protest with GA Soccer
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Post by spectator on Oct 19, 2013 12:30:33 GMT -5
Just in NASA Elite 2 - SSA Elite 0
Edited to add
UFA Elite 4 - Roswell Santos 0
Earl is rolling through those first few picks .....
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Post by spectator on Oct 18, 2013 14:03:31 GMT -5
This:
"In the long run, 99.999 pecent of these kids will not make a living from soccer. So, it all depends on what the kids want and what schools offer their major. "
is spot on! Go to college for the education and long term benefits - if you happen to be able to continue to play your sport, that's a bonus.
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Post by spectator on Oct 16, 2013 17:43:51 GMT -5
I could have written that OP last year.
This year it is what it is - it may suck but make the best of it. Get your daughter as many touches as possible when not at practice, consider private sessions with a separate coach at your own club or a club you may consider moving to later .
Were you given specific areas your player needed to improve for consideration for that top team? Is there opportunity to guest pass up to the top team or even an age group up? Take advantage of any opportunities this year ...
BUT. In all honesty, your player may need to leave the club to move up. If passed over once, it's likely to happen again and coaches seem to look harder and more favorably at new talent trying out than cultivating and harvesting talent within the club. Weigh your options for tryouts next year but remember that the game is the best teacher so if your player is getting that time on the field now, it will pay off later. It did for us!
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Post by spectator on Oct 16, 2013 17:35:56 GMT -5
You forgot "B---ches be trippin". and the other adolescent nonsense
Thanks for giving us a real forum
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Post by spectator on Oct 14, 2013 15:03:11 GMT -5
rifle - "Hope our good core doesn't split up, while hoping even more to bring in more talent."
Those are your two key goals - keep your core and recruit like talent. Not doing either will split your team up. We've had it happen to us twice - it's not fun and it's very stressful for the players. Get the word out long before tryouts next year that you're seeking new players - that's the DOC's job so make sure they're on it!
GOod luck - I will say last Spring was light years better than Fall and this Fall has been outstanding - the teams land where they land and it evens out.
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Post by spectator on Oct 14, 2013 13:30:31 GMT -5
Soccertoo - Not the 'team' - the player. DO you enjoy watching your kid play? I know it's a team sport but the article I referenced was what athletes remembered and appreciating their parents saying to them.
I hear you on the frustration though - that was us last year - team was in a division they shouldn't have been in, mix of player talent was too vast - had some really good and some really bad players on the same team and if you're only as good as your weakest link - we were not very good. It was painful at some times - but our coach was exceptional at nipping the parental comments and frustrations before they started affecting the team. Things worked out fine by Spring - we landed where that team needed to be - did well and started winning games. A few of the weaker players quit - others stepped up and it was a very pleasant experience. Mainly - because we adjusted our expectations and attitudes.
And any exceptional play should be appreciated - we had an amazing goal against us this weekend by another team - it was set up and executed perfectly by three players working in sync. Our parents commented amongst ourselves and clapped - good soccer is good soccer regardless of who plays it.
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Post by spectator on Oct 14, 2013 7:39:53 GMT -5
Especially love when parents yell RELAX . They all play better when calm.. Ya think they might like some compliments and nothing else? Compliments are tricky, too. I've heard too many parents say 'good job' when a defender simply kicks it out and it's not their only option or if a player boots the beejezus out of the ball toward the goal rather than passing it to a player closer. It's frustrating to coaches when kids do that and the parents reinforce the bad decision. One other thing our coach has requested - don't use a specific player's name - say "good job" or "go 'team name'" not 'Way to go, Precious - you are the greatest player since Mia!" (No lie, we had a parent years ago who would string together embarassing compliments toward her own kid - even the player hated it) Seriously, parents need to just shut up and enjoy watching their kids play the game. I read an article a while back where professional athletes said the best thing their parents ever told them after their events/games was 'I enjoy watching you play'. Just enjoy your kids - they'll appreciate that much more than any criticisms, time checks, compliments or coaching from the sidelines. Cheer for the team, be happy for goals or good saves or good plays - but over the top negative or positive is still over the top!
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Post by spectator on Oct 13, 2013 17:44:37 GMT -5
No psychos but a gentle reminder - yelling how much time is left in a close game makes some players more anxious. Let the coach keep time and coach.
I heard some frantic parents yelling at their players who them proceeded to make rush decisions out of desperation
Shut up and let them play
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Post by spectator on Oct 12, 2013 19:54:35 GMT -5
Calm sidelines for us today. Expected as much since we'd already plated this team to a tie in a tournament. Won today and both sides were gracious. Going to a game tomorrow to support former teammates - probable nominees from that game - stay tuned
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Post by spectator on Oct 11, 2013 13:20:39 GMT -5
That is the goal! Hold psycho parents accountable. Remember - charge up your smartphones for this weekend. Nothing like video to catch psycho parent antics. I do appreciate the crosstalk... and drunk tailgaters at their own kids' soccer game? - holy crap, that is truly pathetic. Were they wearing camo? No camo - more like a college football game tailgate but tackier. At least four families had coolers in their SUV's and two women were the 'runners' who kept walking by us with huge tumblers full of mixed drinks. Our coach was completely disgusted - he could see the parents drinking across the field and they got very loud and obnoxious. A man and a woman didn't like some offsides calls so they stood right behind the teenage AR and started harassing him. It really was a display in the tackiness of that particular team/age group UFA parents. I think our team manager fired off a complaint email to the club. She said she never heard anything back from them acknowledging it or apologizing so needless to say, my level of respect for that club is pretty minimal to say the least. Psycho parents are everywhere but it's the club/coaches responsibility to nip it and hold people accountable.
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Post by spectator on Oct 11, 2013 9:22:01 GMT -5
That's a great accomplishment for a freshman. Nice to see local kids doing well!
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Post by spectator on Oct 8, 2013 21:46:07 GMT -5
I have never seen UFA parents exhibit a shred is class or civility. Spectator, that is a pretty broad generalization. That just cannot be true of the entire population of parents of a particular club. And I am not a UFA parent by the way. Despite the fact that I pretty much sit quitely and just cheer for good things every now and again, I often wonder what the other clubs' parents think of our whole sideline given that we have a few people that get carried away. Point taken. Sorry for the broad brush In all the years my daughter has played soccer, at her age group, the UFA parents have been an embarrassment to their club. Last years drunken tailgaters at their tournament were the kicker. Tacky and classless.
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Post by spectator on Oct 8, 2013 18:51:53 GMT -5
I have never seen UFA parents exhibit a shred is class or civility.
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Post by spectator on Oct 8, 2013 12:50:29 GMT -5
Drama free games for us this past weekend so no nominees from me and this weekend's match is with a pretty sedate group - we've already played them in a tournament and it was actually a very friendly sidelines - go figure!
We're going to watch some of our old teammates play this weekend so I'll keep an eye (and video camera) out.
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Post by spectator on Oct 8, 2013 7:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by spectator on Oct 4, 2013 17:02:20 GMT -5
Spectator and pooldawg...great answers and I really appreciate your responses! I guess we'll have wait and see how things end up. My daughter's team is in the C/D bracket and right in mid pack. They have beaten the teams below them easily but lost huge against the top team. Who knows how it'll end up. Teams get off to a good/bad start and then either gel or fall apart. Thanks again! No problem For what it's worth - there's always one or two teams who got hosed by GA Soccer and are in a bracket they don't belong. They'll get moved up to where they belong quickly. In Spring, it's fairly even and if your daughter's team is about mid pack competitive with the big dogs now, they will most likely end up in the C bracket with a good shot of moving up to B by next fall. In Spring, the top two in C move up (more depending on how many teams may dissolve - this is the age between U13 and U14 when you start to see kids quitting for one reason or another. Best of luck in your first season and in your end of season tournament. We hope to have our team there - still waiting to see if there are coaching conflicts with our coach's other teams.
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Post by spectator on Oct 4, 2013 16:55:41 GMT -5
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Post by spectator on Oct 4, 2013 9:47:00 GMT -5
Adding my Thank You here. Enjoying a civil more mature forum so thank you for everything!
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Post by spectator on Oct 3, 2013 13:08:50 GMT -5
This is pretty interesting. Hardly formulaic. Just out of curiosity, what happens to teams at the bottom of E/F who are just getting hammered every match? There are some pretty unfortunate outliers there this year. Do not know if this is typical. You'll find less teams at the older age groups for many reasons - this being one of them. After a while, playing Athena F or Classic 5 is just really expensive Rec ball. On the flip side, that's also why you'll find some highly competitive Rec teams at the older age groups, too. For kids who just want to play soccer, it's nice to have that option. Our U13 coach said it starts to even out in Spring of U13 and by the time they're U16, teams are definitely where they should be. Just get through the first Classic/Athena year and it'll work out.
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Post by spectator on Oct 3, 2013 11:02:56 GMT -5
Ok...I'm confused on how things work. Let's take for example u13 Athena. They are broken down into the following for the fall... Athena A Athena B Athena C/D East Athena C/D West Athena E Athena F From what I understand the top two in B move up to A, the bottom two in A move down to B in the spring. Same with Athena E (lose two to D, lose two to F). My questions are this....Athena C/D East/West... If they divide into Athena C and Athena D, how to they decide who is in each group? I'm figuring that one from Athena C/D East moves up to B and one from Athena C/D West move up to B. Also, figuring one from C/D East moves down to D and C/D West moves down to D. What happens to the remaining teams in current C/D that don't move up and down? How do they decide who is in C and who is in D? Thanks in advance! It's based on how your team performs in Fall. The hardest transition between Academy and Select/Athena is that games count - for and against you. And the placement committee also looks at how you won or lost. Example from last year - there were teams in Athena BC/East who did not win a single game or only managed a tie or a single win. They were obviously misplaced and since the B/C bracket would make up the B and C levels, those particular teams could not compete so they were placed in D for Spring. Only one managed to move back up to C this year - DDYSC so the rest landed where they needed to (or folded completely) What you'll see in Fall at U13 is how DOC's lobbied, lied, or politic-ed (depending on your level of cynicism) to get their teams placed where they did. There's always one odd sock that stands out as being over or under ranked and it gets noticed. So while typically where it's a mixed group - in your case the C/D East - C/D West - the top team in each bracket moves up not the top two. If you want to move up to B, you have to win the whole bracket - and score a lot of goals. Typically coaches who feel slighted by placement try to keep the scores as lopsided as possible to show that they belong in a higher bracket. Look at your results so far - if there's a team winning games by double digits - they're obviously misplaced and should move up. The bottom two teams from B may fall to C - making room for the C/D teams to move up. Then they'll take the rest of the C/D mix from both sides of the bracket and place them as C or D. It usually falls right at the mid point but there may be some unique cases. AT the bottom of each of the C/D brackets, they may take the bottom two in both and move them down to E or even F depending on performance. Last year four teams total in the B/C brackets fell to D. It's odd to me that this year's U13 brackets aren't the same as they've been over the past few years with the A - B/C East-West, C/D East-West. Wonder why they made a firm 'B bracket and split it at C/D? Typically the B and C teams are more closely competitive than the C and D ones.
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Post by spectator on Oct 2, 2013 14:16:54 GMT -5
There are currently 4 Georgia teams in each of the RPL divisions for boys and girls. Do teams get relegated and promoted between Classic/Athena and RPL after U14? Yes. You have to earn and keep your spot in RPL.
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Post by spectator on Oct 2, 2013 14:07:40 GMT -5
It's skewed a little - the top four are small clubs with fewer teams. Any way to weight this out? I disagree, it matches right with what I have as ranking for points per game. Other than just throwing away small clubs completely (which was done by eliminating those playing less than 40 games), what else could you do? If the goal is to show Club Standings, it's skewed. South Georgia, Lanier and RSC have very few teams so as long as half or more are winning, their stats will be higher than a club like SSA, UFA or NASA with many more teams. And it reads - that those three clubs would be considered strong clubs- which they are not. Probably have some fine teams but at least at my player's age group, they have one -if any - team in GYSA right now - hardly criteria for what I'd deem a top club. I think if you segment it by level it'd show a different story. Many of those smaller clubs don't compete at the higher levels across multiple age groups.
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