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Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 8, 2015 20:32:18 GMT -5
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Post by zizou on Apr 8, 2015 21:23:12 GMT -5
I have researched this topic on my own quite a bit. As Mandelbaum points out there is no justification for ignorance on this issue these days. Data also indicate that starting these program early, before players are big and fast enough to really do themselves any harm, can be extremely important for prevention. And remember a nontrivial proportion of ACL injuries in girls/young women are non-contact; the player stops suddenly or jumps and lands incorrectly or tries a quick change of direction and then is in a heap on the ground. There is also no justification for club coaches, even if they have players do something like PEP or FIFA, to let them do these exercises without constantly monitoring form. The exercises will not help if they are done incorrectly. For those of you that have not done this, take your player for private speed and strength training with someone really reputable, someone that will have them warm up with one of these programs. Watch what they do with them. Pay attention to how the trainer adjusts your player's form to ensure optimal benefit. The one our players sees actually videotapes them and then provides immediate feedback. Kind of scary to see their knees buckle, even ever so slightly, when they land from jumping to the ground from a platform under controlled conditions. Now that you are somewhat educated, go watch what the typical club coach does while the girls are doing these same exercises. Talking on phone (no doubt recruiting a player to take your daughter's place! or working out a deal to move to another club!! or maybe even negotiating yet another merger!!!), chatting with another coach who is also paying no attention to her/his players, setting up cones (at least this is training-related), enjoying a 5 buck coffee drink? These are variations on "I can't be bothered" by the coach. These injuries are obviously extremely serious. We pay decent money for the coaches to properly train our players. They should be doing their jobs. But, alas, the overwhelming majority do not do their jobs, so our players spend time learning the proper form and strengthening the proper soft tissues. It is not cheap, but I figure it is a decent insurance policy. And being properly strengthened and "athleticized" will help improve them for more than just soccer. I found this popular book on the subject particularly heart-wrenching. It is a bit preachy but still a worthwhile read I thought: www.michaelsokolove.com/warrior_girls.htm
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 9, 2015 7:23:09 GMT -5
Our club offers a program that is supposed to help prevent or reduce injuries. Its a strength and conditioning type program and its something they do at the park and they also have to do at home.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 9, 2015 7:57:20 GMT -5
Good point zizou... My sons team goes to a private PT every other week. He noticed a few kids that knees went in on a few drills. They repeated the drills and tweaked form until they got the right way. After the session, he showed us a few drills to do at home and what to watch out for.
I agree that most coaches DO NOT care or even know the signs. Take your child to a professional on your own. It will be worth every penny spent in the long run.
Cheers, J4K
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Post by th1976 on Apr 9, 2015 9:39:02 GMT -5
I agree with Zizou regarding Warrior Girls (on Kindle for those interested). The story of Amy Steadman will blow your mind away. I've played with girls who've had 3 torn ACLs, knowing how it would affect them down the road. Another tore her PCL in a HS game and never got her speed back. Proper warmups and a good strength and conditioning program are so important.
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Post by mamampira on Apr 9, 2015 11:43:24 GMT -5
Such a timely thread....thanks. I am looking for recommendations of a strength and conditioning trainer, such like one described by zizou above:
"For those of you that have not done this, take your player for private speed and strength training with someone really reputable, someone that will have them warm up with one of these programs. Watch what they do with them. Pay attention to how the trainer adjusts your player's form to ensure optimal benefit. The one our players sees actually videotapes them and then provides immediate feedback. Kind of scary to see their knees buckle, even ever so slightly, when they land from jumping to the ground from a platform under controlled conditions.
Thanks!
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Post by sidelinemama on Apr 9, 2015 11:48:23 GMT -5
There are also special tests that can evaluate whether a person's biomechanics/anatomy will be susceptible to injury. Which in turn, can lead to a program to improve such deficits. Professional teams use these tools to evaluate new players in their try-outs.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 10, 2015 8:16:58 GMT -5
If you are near Suwanee, I would recommend the group over at Benefit Personal Training... Website is being updated but here's the FB page www.facebook.com/benefitpersonalfitnessSmall and private!
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Post by rifle on Apr 10, 2015 22:12:40 GMT -5
There are also special tests that can evaluate whether a person's biomechanics/anatomy will be susceptible to injury. Which in turn, can lead to a program to improve such deficits. Professional teams use these tools to evaluate new players in their try-outs. Google "Kyle Korver and P3" For some amazing stuff on this topic. He was nearly done, then got good analysis and therapy and now he feels better than he ever did.
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Post by mamampira on Apr 11, 2015 8:22:37 GMT -5
If you are near Suwanee, I would recommend the group over at Benefit Personal Training... Website is being updated but here's the FB page www.facebook.com/benefitpersonalfitnessSmall and private! Thanks a lot.
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Post by sweeper on Apr 13, 2015 8:27:22 GMT -5
Wonderfully informative thread. We go to SPeed and Agility training but you never know how good the actual trainers are since I do not have the knowledge to evaluate them. I will check out Benefit Personal Training
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Post by volunteercoach on Apr 13, 2015 8:29:13 GMT -5
My girls HS team has been on trend for about 1 ACL tear a year since I have been coaching (either with us or in fall during club causing them to miss our season). The ACL prevention programs are important...but they need to be done 3-4 times a week...most coaches don't like to give up the time for it (15-20 mins). My team does the PEP program on practice days. Girls especially need the strengthening exercises, i.e. get your daughters lifting weights! They do this at the collegiate level...why not get at the very least an introduction during HS? Not that they need to be lifting heavy but many girls I have seen can barely get through 25 body squats. Summer is around the corner, perfect time to get into the gym and work on building some muscle to prevent injury.
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