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Post by goteam on Sept 15, 2015 12:54:09 GMT -5
Ten U12 teams playing U13 .. jeesh.. if the argument is for a full schedule that cannot get rained out..then they should make their own division with like minded teams. It's no big surprise that a top team can match and often beat the year older team that is a 2nd or 3rd level team.... The real push IMO are clubs leveraging for talent at U12 just prior to the U13 musical chairs. Meanwhile you have **TEN** U13 teams - the actual real age players- in lower divisions or not making the cut at all .. I lump kids playing up a year as well. While I'm at it.. I'll lump in the 1st grade kid parents who go to the principle who demand they take 2nd grade math. Where is the venting emoji?
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Post by touchlinedad on Sept 15, 2015 13:02:05 GMT -5
Since my last post on this subject, one of the Concorde U12 Teams was dropped from Classic 2. From what I can tell, there are 8 U12 teams playing U13 Select this fall:
Concorde Fire North Elite (12) - CL II GSA 04 Premier - CL III East DDYSC 04 Wolves Elite - CL IV East UFA South Georgia 04 - Premier CL V South CGSA Strikers - BU12 CL V South Macon United (U12B) - CL V South AFC Lightning '04 Gold (U12) - CL V West Augusta Arsenal 04 Gold- CL V East
The Concorde team deserves to be in Classic II, no doubt about that. They are really good. I think both AFC and the DDYSC team could be in Classic 3 but that takes away spots from U13 teams. This is just a difficult topic. I like seeing these boys challenged and many of these teams are ready for 11v11. But the problem is the Academy scheduling process. It really is difficult to set up games against similar competition and many U12s are still playing 8v8 in the fall, moving only to a few 11v11 games in the spring. I doubt AFC wanted to be in Classic 5 but that's where Georgia Soccer put them. I think a U12 11v11 league scheduled by Georgia Soccer is a good idea. That way, the teams can play similar competition while learning the 11v11 format. Barring that, I think the larger clubs should try scheduling more games against smaller clubs that have good teams, like DDYSC. If you could go back and look at Academy schedules, I bet you'll find that most teams play the same opponents every season. That's fine at the lower ages. But once you get to U12 and the better teams start to assert themselves, all the clubs should try to make sure that their top teams are playing against a variety of clubs, just as they do when they get to Select.
This all goes back to wanting to win versus player development. I understand that people want to win and clubs tend to make money by having winners. But if the true goal is player development, clubs, Georgia Soccer, U.S. Soccer, etc., need to work together to strike a better balance between winning and player development. As parents, I think the best thing we can do is back off and encourage more pickup soccer among our children. The reason Brazil's back four had more technical skills that the best U.S. player in their recent match is because those players learned to play in the streets first and then were coached. U.S. players get coached from age 4 on and don't develop the creative ability that one learns playing pickup soccer and taking chances without fear of upsetting their coach, teammates and parents.
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Post by rifle on Sept 15, 2015 14:26:58 GMT -5
I wish GA soccer had the balls to make age group rules and enforce them. It would force an end to the gamesmanship.
I think extending select down to U11 would be fine, also. This is competitive soccer, not rec soccer after all. It's OK to keep score. But enforcing the rules set forth by the federation, rather than ignoring them, would be beneficial in my opinion.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 15, 2015 14:35:32 GMT -5
Touchlinedad... The other CF team is still in Classic II. They won one and lost one.
I agree GA soccer should take the lead on this. I think a lot of changes are coming down the road anyway so this might not be a problem in future. (positive thinking)
Also, all the Clubs need to be on-board with this. They are hosting tournaments with U12 11v11 option or U13 (u12 option).
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Post by paterfamilias on Sept 15, 2015 19:43:00 GMT -5
I wish GA soccer had the balls to make age group rules and enforce them. It would force an end to the gamesmanship. I think extending select down to U11 would be fine, also. This is competitive soccer, not rec soccer after all. It's OK to keep score. But enforcing the rules set forth by the federation, rather than ignoring them, would be beneficial in my opinion. I am pretty sure Georgia Soccer would welcome.you volunteering for a position on one of the related commissions. Select, d&p, e&g. Your contribution would be invaluable.
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Post by rifle on Sept 16, 2015 7:38:23 GMT -5
Pushing a rope? No thanks.
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Post by dreaddy on Sept 16, 2015 8:29:36 GMT -5
Wanting "Georgia Soccer" to take a lead is, unfortunately, a misguided wish. Georgia Soccer (meaning the collective group of presidents of all youth clubs) mandated that U12's should play 8v8. Individual clubs felt they know better and started playing 11v11 amongst themselves outside of Georgia Soccer's control. The escalation of this led to where we are now with several U12 teams playing U13.
The bottom line here comes back to the parents. If the parents wanted their kids to develop instead of win, they would not buy the club's story of needing to play 11v11 early in an effort to get a competitive edge over the other clubs. The parents want winners, development be damned. The clubs want money, so whatever it takes to get winners is what they'll do. If Georgia Soccer won't provide what the market wants, the market will go elsewhere to get what they want.
We will see just how far US Soccer's U12 9v9 mandate takes us. Georgia Soccer will confirm to it, but will the clubs? That remains to be seen and to tell the truth, I'm not really optimistic.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 16, 2015 9:13:36 GMT -5
Yea, u12 DA teams will play 9v9, and I have a feeling that the remaining top teams will play 11v11.
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Post by jash on Sept 16, 2015 9:29:19 GMT -5
Wanting "Georgia Soccer" to take a lead is, unfortunately, a misguided wish. Georgia Soccer (meaning the collective group of presidents of all youth clubs) mandated that U12's should play 8v8. Individual clubs felt they know better and started playing 11v11 amongst themselves outside of Georgia Soccer's control. The escalation of this led to where we are now with several U12 teams playing U13. The bottom line here comes back to the parents. If the parents wanted their kids to develop instead of win, they would not buy the club's story of needing to play 11v11 early in an effort to get a competitive edge over the other clubs. The parents want winners, development be damned. The clubs want money, so whatever it takes to get winners is what they'll do. If Georgia Soccer won't provide what the market wants, the market will go elsewhere to get what they want. We will see just how far US Soccer's U12 9v9 mandate takes us. Georgia Soccer will confirm to it, but will the clubs? That remains to be seen and to tell the truth, I'm not really optimistic. I feel like Georgia Soccer's inclusion of 11v11 brackets for U12 teams in their tournaments and their willingness to include U12 teams in U13 select is tacit approval of the actions of the clubs. I know if they don't include the brackets in their own tournaments that the clubs will go elsewhere, but if Georgia Soccer is serious, then they will hold the line. Out of curiosity, where else would clubs go for a USSF sanctioned play? I'm not questioning but rather asking.
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Post by dreaddy on Sept 16, 2015 19:32:45 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, where else would clubs go for a USSF sanctioned play? I'm not questioning but rather asking. US Club Soccer. They would be out of US Youth, but still in USSF. Some clubs have threatened to do it before.
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Post by docnfulton on Sept 17, 2015 16:05:05 GMT -5
Couple thoughts.
1. Teams can always add a u13 to make the team u13 regardless of rules 2. Academy scheduling of 11v11 games can be very difficult, especially for midsize clubs like AFC, remote clubs like savannah, or clubs looking for Cl 3/Ath C at u13 3. From looking at last years play ups, it accelerates the teams progress during u12 playing one or two seasons at u13. Only savannahs 2nd u12 boys team faired poorly in spring 2015, all others held their own and are stronger this fall 4. GA Soccer affiliates want freedom to do whatever they want as it suits their purpose. See Academy Cup lack of participation, resistance to any uniformity to assist placements
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Post by rifle on Sept 17, 2015 16:32:17 GMT -5
Base placements on Academy cup and nothing else and you'll see some compliance
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Post by dreaddy on Sept 24, 2015 22:05:18 GMT -5
Base placements on Academy cup and nothing else and you'll see some compliance You won't see compliance, you'll see a revolt by the big clubs.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 25, 2015 7:09:49 GMT -5
I think someone mentioned 2 of the scores, but all 3 of afcs game so far.....
10 - 0 13 - 0 8 - 0
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