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Post by jack4343 on Sept 12, 2015 7:26:45 GMT -5
Looks like several games may end up cancelled today due to a lack of available refs. Our assignor is scrambling as well as several others that are having trouble today. Hope they are able to get it worked out.
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Post by Kick Goals 10 on Sept 12, 2015 8:22:56 GMT -5
There must be some truth to this. My daughter just got certified, and she am getting request from Tophat, Chiefs, and Concord. Don't know if we will be traveling all over the city on one of our only off days.
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Post by jack4343 on Sept 12, 2015 8:55:11 GMT -5
My kid was offered games by Concorde and AFU and it would be great since Picneyville is closed today but we are driving to Ptree City to play AFC Lightning and she doesn't have a way to and from. Its one thing to ask a friend to pick her up at a home field but another to ask them to taxi her across Atlanta. Maybe we can arrange a ref taxi? LOL! Listening, clubs? Haha
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 12, 2015 12:58:22 GMT -5
Interesting!
Seems clubs with scholarship players should really encourage these kids to sign up to be refs!
Kills 2 birds with one stone. Helps get refs and helps kids pay for soccer!
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Post by spectator on Sept 12, 2015 16:12:07 GMT -5
Again. Blame the parents and coaches who make it such a miserable experience for any ref The other teams parents were screaming at the Center this morning at our game - total Idiots who don't know how the game need to shut up. Clubs need to curtail their sidelines or no refs will stick around
Parents can sign up and referee too. Why should it only be the scholarship players?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 19:09:24 GMT -5
A parent from the opposing team was ejected in our game today. It was nothing too obnoxious but the center wasn't going to let him mouth off. As their coach told the parent - let the coaches deal with the ref.
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Post by spectator on Sept 13, 2015 11:37:46 GMT -5
A parent from the opposing team was ejected in our game today. It was nothing too obnoxious but the center wasn't going to let him mouth off. As their coach told the parent - let the coaches deal with the ref. That center controlled the game/environment by setting that tone. Good for him or her. Coaches can't always hear the parents and a ref can eject for profanity or instructing a player to hurt another. I've see that twice But t parents also need to monitor and curtail their own loudmouths on the sidelines. Lollipops or duct tape seem to work well
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Post by Keeper on Sept 13, 2015 16:47:06 GMT -5
Haha bag of lollipops should be handed out at every tournament just to keep the parents from running their mouths.
I was glad to see our league but a bunch of brand new 13-14 year old refs on our academy games and they all came up to us coaches asking for positive critiques. I just hope other clubs are pushing their youth into refereeing because i don't want to go thru anymore Athena and classic games with only two refs.
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Post by newposter on Sept 13, 2015 19:00:19 GMT -5
While I never condone obnoxious parents, please consider that all other sports only use adult referees. I for one will be glad to pay more to get adults. Young referees often are not mature enough to handle Select games.
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Post by jack4343 on Sept 13, 2015 20:28:43 GMT -5
While I never condone obnoxious parents, please consider that all other sports only use adult referees. I for one will be glad to pay more to get adults. Young referees often are not mature enough to handle Select games. Not attacking you but I would like to provide a counterpoint. Two things...firstly, these games are the very least important of the least important. Don't make them out to be more than what they are. These young refs learn their craft in these youth games and can eventually if they desire to go on to ref games that actually matter. While we all love these games and our kids, sometimes we place way too much importance on these games. Myself included. Secondly, I've seen plenty of young refs that know their stuff pretty good, even more so than some adult refs. Yes they are learning but most are veteran soccer players who are well versed in the rules of play. Where they are lacking is the confidence and courage to handle parents that automatically perceive that because they are young that they are going to not know what they are doing. I think it's pathetic to be honest but because of that I agree that it's difficult for younger refs to handle older games. The problem is that we are so short on refs that GA Soccer has to keep relaxing the rules regarding the age of refs and which games they can and cannot do. I am not sure money is the answer. I don't think it will bring better refs because it won't be enough.
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Post by newposter on Sept 13, 2015 20:59:36 GMT -5
I am sure many of the refs are experienced Soccer players. My point again is that does not make them qualified to ref older age groups. Those require a certain level of maturity. As far as the other point, with the cost of soccer and time invested arents consider every game important.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Sept 14, 2015 0:10:02 GMT -5
I give all referees and AR's must respect. I have volunteered as an AR couple of times when there was a shortage. It was a good experience and much harder than it looks! And I've kept my mouth shut ever since. Calls are going to be missed and we need to accept that. My kids are still in Academy and there wasn't a referee or AR that just gave calls or was one sided.
Officiating is very difficult to do in any sport...NFL, NBA, MLB with many missed calls and we see it all the time. I know all these sports use replay to help. Can soccer use this as well?
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Post by spectator on Sept 14, 2015 5:39:11 GMT -5
I am sure many of the refs are experienced Soccer players. My point again is that does not make them qualified to ref older age groups. Those require a certain level of maturity. As far as the other point, with the cost of soccer and time invested arents consider every game important. The rules state a ref cannot officiate their own age in Select and the youngest ref I have seen was 13. You may have a young looking 16 year old in center for a U13 game but most of the time the younger ones are ARs only for as long as they can. Problem is when the shortage gets so real that they have to go in center before they want to or are ready Mine preferred working Rec games bc parents weren't as vested/obnoxious. But she was needed more in Select games bc of the shortage. She was only an AR never center and still took abuse from the sidelines. She quit last spring and no argument or prodding is getting her back. She hated it bc of the parents. Vicious cycle - you want older refs? Be kinder to the younger ones as they learn so they will stick with it
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Post by dreaddy on Sept 14, 2015 15:15:08 GMT -5
Vicious cycle - you want older refs? Be kinder to the younger ones as they learn so they will stick with it Very good point! Concerning the age of referees - A referee must be a year older than the age group he is refereeing. This only applies to the person in the middle with the whistle. The AR's can be younger than the players.
So many times when I watch games I see parents get upset over things where the referee is actually correct. Saw one yesterday where a lady was fussing about an opponent being offside. Problem is, she was only looking at what was happening right in front of her. She didn't see the player on the opposite side of the field who was holding the player on. She got pretty vocal about it but eventually shut up. I so felt like pointing her error out to her, but that would probably have gotten her going even more. Parents, please - referees see things from a different angle and don't have the bias toward one team or the other that you have. It is perfectly normal for them to see things different from the way you do. It doesn't mean they are wrong. Most times when referees are wrong, it's something procedural that the parents don't realize anyway!
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 14, 2015 20:25:29 GMT -5
My two favorites are:
Goalkeeper has controlled the save with one hand and ball is pinned to the ground clearly saved, opposing player kicks the ball out of the GK's hands, ref correctly blows for a foul amd the opposing parents yell "you have to have two hands on the ball for possession"
Player A is dribbling the ball, opposing player gets 10 yards of full steam and uses her shoulder to take out the player with no attempt to play the ball, ref correctly blows for a foul and opposing "football dad" takes his hand and starts slapping his shoulder yelling "that was all shoulder".
Honorable mention to: "every time a players ends up on the ground it's a foul" parent
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Post by rifle on Sept 14, 2015 21:06:18 GMT -5
Soccerfan30: I agree fully with your first one. That situation is constantly misunderstood. Regarding the second one, I had to Google "soccer LOTG+shoulder charge" and found this.. www.askasoccerreferee.com/?p=2667Which appears to say it's a judgment call so far as size disparity but you have to be attempting to get the ball. Lastly, because I'm just immature, this line was funny: "Referees do not handicap players by saddling them with artificial responsibilities to be easy on an opponent simply because they are better physically endowed in some way". Too much Beavis and Butthead in my late teen years...
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 14, 2015 21:11:11 GMT -5
Soccerfan30: I agree fully with your first one. That situation is constantly misunderstood. Regarding the second one, I had to Google "soccer LOTG+shoulder charge" and found this.. www.askasoccerreferee.com/?p=2667Which appears to say it's a judgment call so far as size disparity but you have to be attempting to get the ball. Lastly, because I'm just immature, this line was funny: "Referees do not handicap players by saddling them with artificial responsibilities to be easy on an opponent simply because they are better physically endowed in some way". Too much Beavis and Butthead in my late teen years... The issue with #2 is the opposing player must be attempting to tackle the ball, I'm talking about a player that is running full speed and uses their shoulder to essentially hockey check a player, use of the shoulder is irrelevant if they are not making an attempt to tackle the ball.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 15, 2015 9:19:47 GMT -5
Too much Beavis and Butthead in my late teen years... Hahaha oh the good old days.
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Post by rifle on Sept 15, 2015 13:57:49 GMT -5
[quote author=" soccerfan30" The issue with #2 is the opposing player must be attempting to tackle the ball, I'm talking about a player that is running full speed and uses their shoulder to essentially hockey check a player, use of the shoulder is irrelevant if they are not making an attempt to tackle the ball.[/quote] I'm with ya. I agree it is frequently mistaken by fans.
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