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Post by soccerdad on Oct 20, 2013 0:00:42 GMT -5
Was it an away game? If so, I'm pretty sure you should be able to protest the game and have it replayed at home with a full crew of certified refs.
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Post by dreaddy on Oct 20, 2013 0:17:00 GMT -5
If the coach agreed to the arrangement before the game started, he can not protest the game. If he did not agree to the arrangement, he should not have allowed the game to start, in which case he could have had the game re-scheduled.
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 8:12:32 GMT -5
Home team is responsible for refs so notify the club. If you played under protest, the coach and manager need to file official protest with GA Soccer
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Post by soccerpapi on Oct 20, 2013 9:48:12 GMT -5
Curious, did the "guest/parent/volunteer" AR make any questionable call that may have cost your team the game? If so, could the head judge center ref have overturned that particular call (say a qn. offside or PK call costing a goal).
When my kids were younger, this type of arrangement was normal (few and far between though) for games to be played with a "guest or parent" being asked to AR, if for some reason the real one has an emergency or not show up just yet.
As a couple of the previous posters stated, Coaches usually agree to that type of setup prior to starting the game.
Not sure if one can technically protest after the fact, if it was already agreed to, but your Coach can certainly try.
For our games, we've always felt that the effort for rescheduling a game because one AR may have had a personal emergency and not be there on time, was not worth the hassle (particularly if we drove say from Atlanta to Augusta to play). Looking back, I think if our Coach had decided to protest one of those games and ask for a reschedule at home w/ full certified refs, a great number of our parents would have wanted his head, and ask why they were not asked to volunteer AR instead..As a Coach, damn if you do, damn if you don't.
Sorry to hear about the lost, this game that we love and play can be one of the worse sports in terms of heartbreak from the youth league to the pros, causing us to ponder for answers, after fact.
Just last week, Panama thought they qualified for the 2014 world cup with 90-minutes to go against the US...to have the US put a dagger in an entire country's hope by scoring 2-goals in 2-mins extra time... Now, they must wait for 2018 world cup to have another shot...If the refs had blown the whistle right at 90-mins, they'd be in!
Good luck, hope you can get an reschedule or a rematch, if your Coach choose to go that route.
If not, go get 'em next time.
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 20, 2013 11:47:37 GMT -5
My child's u13 Select team played the first half of their away game today with "volunteer" sideline refs because there were none at the start of the game. I am guessing they were parents but could have been someone from the club. There were two of the temporary refs on the parents side of the field(one for each half so they did not have to run as much) and one on the other side. The second half of the game had a "real" ref on one side and a young man probably an early teen that did not have a uniform on, on the other side. What are the rules for this type of situation? It was a close game so it did make a difference (yes, we lost, no I am not crying here because of the loss...ok, well just a little  ). I believe that as long as the coaches agree it is OK. I also believe that the "volunteers" are supposed to only call the ball out (not whose throw it is) and not call offside. |
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Post by Yellow Card on Oct 20, 2013 11:58:07 GMT -5
Thank you all for your replies. Yes, I do believe it made a difference on the outcome of the game. This was Select so I don't think it is a good idea to have non official refs....I personally don't care who calls it as long as they do a good job, but I really don't believe this was the case here. The center ref would not have been any help...he blew some big ones. I'm ok if you are calling it bad (well not really)....as long as you call it bad both ways  . I didn't like hearing the guest AR tell one of the other team's player where he needed to be on the field so as to be on sides . I don't think anyone would have wanted to reschedule either, but no one knew it would make such a difference, enough to want to make a big stink about it. You try to be accommodating, because you never know when you need a favor from another club. It is what it is, and we learned a lesson... |
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2013 12:17:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately at U13 and the lower levels of U14-U15, you will face this again when there's a shortage of ARs available. Some teams have 'designated' parents to take on that role - they're aware of the rules of the game but are not certified referees (you can't ref your own kid's game). And these designated parents are told to be objective and not blatantly coach or influence either team.
There is a shortage of referees in GA - you'll most likely run into this again for the next few years. Talk to your coach about designating the most objective parent if it happens on your home field or who could volunteer if you're away.
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Post by Yellow Card on Oct 20, 2013 12:26:46 GMT -5
My kids have played quite a bit of club soccer and this was a first...even at Academy this never happened. But yes, it would have been an easier pill to swallow if one of our parents had been asked to AR.
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Post by bpgbeieio on Oct 20, 2013 12:31:06 GMT -5
"Club refs" are also limited in their authority - i.e. they can make out of bounds calls, but not off side calls, etc....
Bottom line, unless nepotism was involved, your coach aqccepted the refs and their is no appeal.
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