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Post by special1 on Jun 23, 2016 13:38:57 GMT -5
With the new birth year mandate, all teams should be new for the most part. Since player/club development measurements and ratings is usually connected to team rankings and club ratings etc. I'm wondering whether next season all club ratings and rankings will start fresh with a clean slate? what do you all think? anyone from sinc sports to help?
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Jun 23, 2016 16:06:03 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Jun 23, 2016 16:06:03 GMT -5
I'll say it...
What difference does it make?
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Post by special1 on Jun 23, 2016 16:34:56 GMT -5
You're probably right those rankings don't make any difference....just wondering if they did what it would look like
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Jun 23, 2016 18:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Jun 23, 2016 18:38:41 GMT -5
These rankings are based in statistics, I believe - but some teams aren't included at all. Some teams only record wins.
I guess in early years it's important for tournament ranking/placement but once you hit select the real metric is state cup.
With the age mandate, I would anticipate a total crap shoot.
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Jun 23, 2016 19:55:09 GMT -5
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Post by jack4343 on Jun 23, 2016 19:55:09 GMT -5
From what I understand, the previous team records will be assigned to the older aged players from that team last season. For example, a u10 team from last season had players from the 2005 and 2006 years. That team will be aligned with this year's 2005 team which would be u12s currently (though the "u" designation is no longer being used).
I could be wrong but that is how I understand it is working. Please correct me if that is not right. It's more than a little confusing!
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Post by special1 on Jun 23, 2016 22:03:49 GMT -5
These rankings are based in statistics, I believe - but some teams aren't included at all. Some teams only record wins. I guess in early years it's important for tournament ranking/placement but once you hit select the real metric is state cup. With the age mandate, I would anticipate a total crap shoot. I don't really know details of how the metric system works with select. For academy, the average youth soccer kid/parent looks at those rankings to see levels of their team or other team for tournaments....and more often than not they seem to be fairly accurate. I had no idea that some teams only recorded wins...yeah, that will definitely skew the rankings....with age mandate, well let's see when season kicks off
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Post by special1 on Jun 23, 2016 22:18:25 GMT -5
From what I understand, the previous team records will be assigned to the older aged players from that team last season. For example, a u10 team from last season had players from the 2005 and 2006 years. That team will be aligned with this year's 2005 team which would be u12s currently (though the "u" designation is no longer being used). I could be wrong but that is how I understand it is working. Please correct me if that is not right. It's more than a little confusing! I hadn't thought of that but that's an option, or if they flip it and assign 2004 team record to 2005 team current u12. Either way its still confusing and probably skew rankings one way or the other. I thought starting with a clean slate for all the teams would be less confusing.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 24, 2016 7:22:07 GMT -5
The records go to the older kids on that age group. GotSoccer did it already and SINC is in the process
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Post by infoguy on Jun 24, 2016 7:28:33 GMT -5
So, I just went through this. Bottom line, if you want the game record to stay with the older players, which is what GA Soccer's basic formula is, then keep the older players on the roster and drop the younger ones. Then, if you care or want the ranking to follow suit, you have to be within the same age category (it's a field in the team page profile) as the teams in your game history so the system can do its thing re: USA Rank. If you're not in the same age category, SincSports will drop you to "N/A" or "O".
For instance, last year's U14B, are now rising U16, born in 2001. However, and I'm not sure why, the team defaults in SincSports/SoccerinCollege to "Rising U15, born in 2002". So, last year's U14B teams are either willingly or unwillingly keeping that default age category - in effect keeping their ranking. Team name change has no effect.
For me, as long as all teams associate the game history with the appropriate age category (again, the older players per GA Soccer formula), the system will work it out. Hopefully GA Soccer and other states will mandate a uniform way to select the age category. I just want it to be on level - regardless of whether the rankings matter (there are varying opinions, I'm sure).
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 24, 2016 7:32:22 GMT -5
The problem is that GotSoccer gave it to the older age group while SINC gave it to the younger age group. SINC will have to be manually changed in order to keep the record
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Post by infoguy on Jun 24, 2016 7:35:12 GMT -5
The problem is that GotSoccer gave it to the older age group while SINC gave it to the younger age group. SINC will have to be manually changed in order to keep the record Actually, if you want to keep the record and ranking in Sinc, do nothing. Just keep the older players. You edit the name, but keep the age category.
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Post by TheMadOx on Jun 24, 2016 9:56:24 GMT -5
In SIC, its all honor system anyway...but move the "ranking" to the older kids is silly...our last year U11 team only lost 3 players...why would the ranking following 3 girls? It will have to be up to each team I guess.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 24, 2016 11:16:19 GMT -5
In SIC, its all honor system anyway...but move the "ranking" to the older kids is silly...our last year U11 team only lost 3 players...why would the ranking following 3 girls? It will have to be up to each team I guess. because the rankings belong to the older age group per the age mandate. No one said it would be fair, but it is what it is. GotSoccer and Sinc need to match otherwise its a giant mess
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Post by spectator on Jun 24, 2016 11:42:41 GMT -5
In SIC, its all honor system anyway...but move the "ranking" to the older kids is silly...our last year U11 team only lost 3 players...why would the ranking following 3 girls? It will have to be up to each team I guess. because the rankings belong to the older age group per the age mandate. No one said it would be fair, but it is what it is. GotSoccer and Sinc need to match otherwise its a giant mess It's always been a giant mess - especially on Sinc. The rankings are easily manipulated because they relay on tournament scores and a team manager putting in ALL games not just the ones the team won. But we learned long ago, don't sweat those rankings - they mean nothing.
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Jun 24, 2016 12:41:36 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Jun 24, 2016 12:41:36 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest thing to do just wipe out all of those old teams and results. Just a clean fresh start for all of them and Sic and got soccer get to clear all that data.
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Jun 24, 2016 13:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by jack4343 on Jun 24, 2016 13:41:30 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest thing to do just wipe out all of those old teams and results. Just a clean fresh start for all of them and Sic and got soccer get to clear all that data. Yes it would but I think the problem arises with tournaments. Whether it's correct or not, they use the rankings to determine brackets and the preseason tourneys are already getting ready. I know the postseason Thanksgiving weekend Disney tourney is getting close to opening registration and evidently they use rankings to decide whether you are selected to attend and without them, accurate or not would probably be a real mess to figure out.
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Post by infoguy on Jun 24, 2016 14:06:50 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest thing to do just wipe out all of those old teams and results. Just a clean fresh start for all of them and Sic and got soccer get to clear all that data. Easier in terms of reaching a clean slate, but not sure if we all want a clean slate. I think the solution is to all do the same in SincSports, rather than leaving it to the team manager to decide. Everything that I have seen from GA Soccer is that the success of the team follows the older player.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 27, 2016 14:08:51 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest thing to do just wipe out all of those old teams and results. Just a clean fresh start for all of them and Sic and got soccer get to clear all that data. Easier in terms of reaching a clean slate, but not sure if we all want a clean slate. I think the solution is to all do the same in SincSports, rather than leaving it to the team manager to decide. Everything that I have seen from GA Soccer is that the success of the team follows the older player. I agree that it would be best if everyone did the same thing instead of leaving it up to each team. This is the response that SINC has given: Teams need to make a decision regarding their rosters. Teams who retain their older players will need to amend the birth year on their team pages - it is the teams' staff responsibility to maintain this.
It may still be several weeks before these teams make their decisions.
To qualify for a rank on USA Rank, you must have at least three results against other teams in the same age group (in this case, the birth year), and one of those results must be a win.
As teams change their age groups, their rankings will disappear until they recalculate based upon the results on their team pages.
As the teams change over to "birth year" once all tryouts have been completed and teams are solidified, the rankings will produce a more accurate picture.
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