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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 7:23:55 GMT -5
Seems to me this isn't right. Clubs shouldn't charge for extra sessions during the fall seasons. Noticed today UFA offers/has a technical skills training (TNT) -- forsyth.unitedfa.org/tstShouldn't this be included with their regular curriculum and fees? Shouldn't the players be getting this "advanced" training at their regular sessions? I have no problem with extra Friday sessions etc, my problem is charging for it. I honestly would rather see just a night where the kids can just show up and play. Or on a sunday when no games are scheduled for the younger kids, they have 2 hours allotted for just free play. No coaches, just cones thrown on the ground and the kids play. |
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Post by atlcoach84 on Aug 11, 2016 8:37:29 GMT -5
It's a nice idea to offer these clinics as free, but having been on the other side of it, it's very hard to plan for staff at those type of events if it's free and nobody has to make a commitment to attend. You could have 10 one week and 50 the next, and if there aren't enough coaches, it's harder to make it an effective tool for everyone. Conversely if there are 3 coaches there and 10 kids show up, I'd be a little annoyed that I made plans to attend and wasn't needed.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 11, 2016 8:53:48 GMT -5
I don't believe clubs should charge extra for "in season" training, if it's private individual training that's fine but parents shouldn't be expected to pay for something that should be taught in their regular team practices. NTH has a dedicated strength and conditioning staff person that works with the teams, no additional charge to the players, GK Training which players can attend multiple sessions per week, again no additional charge. Now trainings during the winter and summer are a different matter and should be optional if the players want to attend, many coaches do not get paid during the winter/summer I see no problem in doing clinics to supplement their income during the off season.
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Post by forsythsd on Aug 11, 2016 9:20:14 GMT -5
Pick one:
1. Don't offer extra optional sessions.
2. Offer extra optional sessions with cost built into regular fees. Make everyone pay for them, even if they cannot or chose not to attend.
3. Offer extra optional sessions for an extra fee.
Yes, regular practices cover technical skills to the extend the coach deems appropriate. Extra TST is for people who want or need it. It makes perfect sense to organize and charge for them.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 11, 2016 9:30:37 GMT -5
I agree that during the season clubs should not be charging for extra sessions at their own facilities etc. and atlcoach84 I think you are also right, its extremely difficult to determine how many coaches can/should attend these sessions given the inevitable randomness of attendance. You could always required folks to go to a website and hit/click a check box that they will be attending by a certain day of each week, and just stress that we know this is inconvenient, but for planning purposes its essential. could be as simple as a google spreadsheet with an email poll as well. Even though the cost is relatively cheep often, parents are spending a lot. I hate to say this, but you are always going to have parents that "feel" they are obligated to have their kids attend these sessions. I know in the past I was pressured to attend team camps that were additional $$ prior to tryouts. Some of those camps are getting costly. Years ago, they were great camps at most clubs. Camps prior to tryouts, get to know the coaches, the kids etc. Now they seem to be money grabs, and most of the players stopped attending for a plethora of reasons. If you really want kids to come, offer it free. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 11, 2016 16:36:01 GMT -5
The money we pay for youth soccer is beyond ridiculous, and we know it.
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Post by goteam on Aug 13, 2016 15:32:56 GMT -5
Heck no! Last fall my son's team had 40% of their practices cancelled
With 1 makeup. My annual fee pays for training & if I'm told 2 or 3 practices and you cancel half I am expecting some made up time.
(Which disappointingly does not happen) Its a business model that would never make it in the real world ...
Carry on
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Post by Keeper on Aug 13, 2016 22:15:30 GMT -5
Heck no! Last fall my son's team had 40% of their practices cancelled With 1 makeup. My annual fee pays for training & if I'm told 2 or 3 practices and you cancel half I am expecting some made up time. (Which disappointingly does not happen) Its a business model that would never make it in the real world ... Carry on Your club doesn't make up practices? We make up at least 80% of rainouts. It's required for us coaches to offer it or lose the money. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 13, 2016 22:31:14 GMT -5
Heck no! Last fall my son's team had 40% of their practices cancelled With 1 makeup. My annual fee pays for training & if I'm told 2 or 3 practices and you cancel half I am expecting some made up time. (Which disappointingly does not happen) Its a business model that would never make it in the real world ... Carry on Your club doesn't make up practices? We make up at least 80% of rainouts. It's required for us coaches to offer it or lose the money. what is this ethical club? |
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Post by fanatic21 on Aug 14, 2016 9:42:22 GMT -5
I think we had maybe 2 cancelled practices all of 2015-2016. We either played in rain or rented a gym. Only cancellations were for last minute thunderstorm (lightning).
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Post by goteam on Aug 15, 2016 9:00:22 GMT -5
Heck no! Last fall my son's team had 40% of their practices cancelled With 1 makeup. My annual fee pays for training & if I'm told 2 or 3 practices and you cancel half I am expecting some made up time. (Which disappointingly does not happen) Its a business model that would never make it in the real world ... Carry on Your club doesn't make up practices? We make up at least 80% of rainouts. It's required for us coaches to offer it or lose the money. If you are the top team at this club - those coaches will make sure their kids are practicing. If you are not it's at the coaches whim. I would assume these coaches are getting paid either way. I kid you not the entire fall / spring season for the last 3 years we never had more than 1 or 2 make ups and the amount of practices that were cancelled due to poor field conditions or rain was significant. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 9:16:44 GMT -5
The "standard" for our club is top 2 teams train 3 days, remainder 2 days ---
however, the standard for last year was top teams typically only trained 2 days if we were lucky due to the rain outs etc. Its required to makeup all missed sessions, for this particular coach, in 3 years, we never made up a single session.
Last year it was pretty tough to make up sessions given the amount of rain. That is one of the major advantages of a club like UFA-Fowler now, all sessions are moved to turf and you never miss a session. The sessions aren't shortened either, if training is 1.5 hours, the turf sessions are 1.5 hours. Pretty impressive.
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