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Jan 26, 2017 17:39:16 GMT -5
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jan 26, 2017 17:39:16 GMT -5
They already have U13 and U14. Seems strange that already two clubs in the alliance have been awarded U13 and U14 so really no point of GA United now. They may get the older age groups now.
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Jan 26, 2017 17:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 26, 2017 17:46:34 GMT -5
And now that the benchmark has been set on the fees, will be interesting to follow what they all will charge. (correct what I have wrong below)
Currently I believe they are all charging ~$1950 U12s - fee does not include travel and meal expenses. (but believe travel has been minimal) Concorde u13- U18, travel/hotels included but no meals Ga United u13/u14 - travel/hotel and meals included.
Forgot to add - as we all know fees for DA have been a roller coaster over the years. Fees. Free. Then back to fees. (Obviously Atlanta is free )
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Post by footballer on Jan 26, 2017 21:20:20 GMT -5
All the people complaining about DA, and how its about money and watered down with addition of other clubs and all the other valid reasons. What will you do? continue DA or play non-DA? This is the problem with youth football (soccer) in US. The people don't take a stand. they just complain and continue to feed the beast. I hope parents take a stand and choose to play non DA unless its a situation where USSDA or the clubs are willing to cover the costs for those elite players (supposedly). Club Football at youth level is getting out of hand cost wise at all levels. I'm sure one of you feels the same way.
By the way, props to this forum. I enjoy reading posts on here.
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Jan 26, 2017 21:24:09 GMT -5
Post by footy on Jan 26, 2017 21:24:09 GMT -5
And now that the benchmark has been set on the fees, will be interesting to follow what they all will charge. (correct what I have wrong below) Currently I believe they are all charging ~$1950 U12s - fee does not include travel and meal expenses. (but believe travel has been minimal) Concorde u13- U18, travel/hotels included but no meals Ga United u13/u14 - travel/hotel and meals included. Forgot to add - as we all know fees for DA have been a roller coaster over the years. Fees. Free. Then back to fees. (Obviously Atlanta is free ) Sadly, I think that's about the same as what it cost for my son (I think it was even more, actually) to play SRPL/NL this year, and that was only about half the number of games as DA kids in his same age group play over the course of a year.
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Jan 26, 2017 22:28:00 GMT -5
Post by justaparent on Jan 26, 2017 22:28:00 GMT -5
AFC has also just announced U13-U14 DA for next year.
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Post by rifle on Jan 27, 2017 7:00:36 GMT -5
If everyone is elite, how do they identify the elite players? For boys, I presume AU is the answer. For girls.... ?
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Jan 27, 2017 9:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 27, 2017 9:10:30 GMT -5
Interesting now you have Atlanta United, NASA, and SSA all in that cobb county & Marietta area.
Where this all would make sense is if Atlanta United said they wanted to get out of the u12, u13, u14 game and let the local clubs manage and handle. Then just have the older age groups. Their 2 older age groups are on another level when compared to the rest of their teams. For one reason, TA coaches one of the teams, and there is no question he is the top coach in this state on any level. Along with the Talent pool he has at his finger tips, its a match made in heaven. Hes a polarizing figure no doubt, but the dude can flat out coach. Go watch and observe one of his sessions, and hes on another level. His sessions all have purpose and build upon one another and even within the same session.
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Jan 27, 2017 11:05:14 GMT -5
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Post by gaprospects on Jan 27, 2017 11:05:14 GMT -5
Where this all would make sense is if Atlanta United said they wanted to get out of the u12, u13, u14 game and let the local clubs manage and handle. Then just have the older age groups. I doubt TA would trust the local clubs with that. A big part of Atlanta United's development plan is a mentoring system that trickles down through the club. The players on the older teams each will have a mentor from the senior team to learn from, the younger teams are mentored by the older DA players, etc. This is the reason why they built their training facility the way that they did, the architecture of the building literally breeds inclusion, or so they say.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jan 27, 2017 11:52:04 GMT -5
footballer... On the fence my friend. ECNL, ODP, and Guest play and even DP DA player is sounding real good. Oh and even play in school. I guess it would boil down to who the coach/s is/are. Also, if all these kids are now DA then one has to question level of play for all the other options.
Is DA coaching that much better than non DA?? Will the player develop more by playing a limited number of games vs playing as many games as you want to play?? Will DA for younger age groups burn out the player faster?? It seems the DA structure is taking away the "fun" in soccer by limiting on what they can and can not do. Like playing in 3v3 or other local tournaments, guest playing with other friends or even helping other teams out if needed.
Soccerhouse... You are correct on Concorde. $1999. Travel and Hotel covered but no food. Plus have to pay coaches food. This is only for DA Showcases only. Disney is totally out of pocket.
Tony and AtlUtd are in the perfect situation. By all these clubs having DA, they see these players 4 times a year plus showcases. The only downside that I see... are the Clubs that dont see AtlUtd as the destination club and will do what ever it takes to make sure AtlUtd doesnt take the top players. Example would be that AtlUtd see's a player on Concorde and would like to invite them for a few practice sessions or whatever. AtlUtd reaches out to club and the club says no. The main reason they would say no is that they don't want to loose the $$ in the future. However, they are only hurting themselves and ITS NOT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PLAYER if they do this.
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Jan 27, 2017 12:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by gaprospects on Jan 27, 2017 12:21:27 GMT -5
Tony and AtlUtd are in the perfect situation. By all these clubs having DA, they see these players 4 times a year plus showcases. The only downside that I see... are the Clubs that dont see AtlUtd as the destination club and will do what ever it takes to make sure AtlUtd doesnt take the top players. Example would be that AtlUtd see's a player on Concorde and would like to invite them for a few practice sessions or whatever. AtlUtd reaches out to club and the club says no. The main reason they would say no is that they don't want to loose the $$ in the future. However, they are only hurting themselves and ITS NOT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PLAYER if they do this. I really want to see how this plays out, because AtlUtd don't have to play ball with the other local DA clubs to get the players they want since they have such an advantage in scouting and recruiting. Already we're seeing this; they just added a '98 to their academy who was last playing for a team in the IVORY COAST. Another club denying a player the chance to move to AtlUtd only hurts that player, because the demand for spots in the AtlUtd academy is going to be sky high and they can look wherever they want to fill those spots.
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Jan 27, 2017 12:23:35 GMT -5
Post by footy on Jan 27, 2017 12:23:35 GMT -5
If everyone is elite, how do they identify the elite players? For boys, I presume AU is the answer. For girls.... ? Good question. Who is "they"? Colleges and national teams? If so, I would guess ECNL is elite for girls and agree with you re: AU for boys. But I would like to think that "elite" is also an individual thing. LK on the AU U18 team is training with the AU 1st team at IMG right now. He played for a small high school and a non-mega-club yet was selected for residency prior to being picked up by AU. At what point would he have been labeled elite? I would argue he was elite long before AU but maybe these breakout players are few and far between. Also, would a Classic 4 kid on ODP be considered elite because he was recognized by the state program but lives somewhere where Classic 4 is the most competitive club team?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 27, 2017 12:33:12 GMT -5
No doubt LKs goal as a freshman and was not playing DA
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Jan 27, 2017 12:46:55 GMT -5
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Post by justaparent on Jan 27, 2017 12:46:55 GMT -5
All the people complaining about DA, and how its about money and watered down with addition of other clubs and all the other valid reasons. What will you do? continue DA or play non-DA? This is the problem with youth football (soccer) in US. The people don't take a stand. they just complain and continue to feed the beast. I hope parents take a stand and choose to play non DA unless its a situation where USSDA or the clubs are willing to cover the costs for those elite players (supposedly). Club Football at youth level is getting out of hand cost wise at all levels. I'm sure one of you feels the same way. By the way, props to this forum. I enjoy reading posts on here. I'm not one that has complained, but I'm having a hard time seeing what other options there are. Living in Fayette County, my son is already on the AFC U12 2005 team (non-DA). As of yesterday, his goal for next season would have been to make the Classic I team at AFC. Now, DA seems to be the only way to go in order to get the best coaching and play against the best competition.
I wouldn't think that SSA White or Concorde South would be Classic I teams next year and if they were, who will they play? Right now, our team is at least competitive with the other top teams in Atlanta. If the whole team got together and boycotted DA, what would that accomplish? I just can't figure out any way around doing DA at this point.
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Jan 27, 2017 14:54:30 GMT -5
Post by SoccerMom on Jan 27, 2017 14:54:30 GMT -5
They already have U13 and U14. Seems strange that already two clubs in the alliance have been awarded U13 and U14 so really no point of GA United now. They may get the older age groups now. GA United is done, no longer a need
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Post by footy on Jan 27, 2017 15:44:43 GMT -5
GA United is done, no longer a need I would say that as AU gets more successful and draws from areas all over the country and world, there still is a need for a DA team where local kids can play at the U16 and U18 age groups. Seems like there is more talent here at those ages than Concorde alone can absorb.
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Jan 27, 2017 15:46:31 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 27, 2017 15:46:31 GMT -5
GA United is done, no longer a need I would say that as AU gets more successful and draws from areas all over the country and world, there still is a need for a DA team where local kids can play at the U16 and U18 age groups. Seems like there is more talent here at those ages than Concorde alone can absorb. I agree, but the current clubs in the alliance are now doing their own thing.
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Jan 27, 2017 17:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by footballer on Jan 27, 2017 17:29:36 GMT -5
footballer... On the fence my friend. ECNL, ODP, and Guest play and even DP DA player is sounding real good. Oh and even play in school. I guess it would boil down to who the coach/s is/are. Also, if all these kids are now DA then one has to question level of play for all the other options. Is DA coaching that much better than non DA?? Will the player develop more by playing a limited number of games vs playing as many games as you want to play?? Will DA for younger age groups burn out the player faster?? It seems the DA structure is taking away the "fun" in soccer by limiting on what they can and can not do. Like playing in 3v3 or other local tournaments, guest playing with other friends or even helping other teams out if needed. Soccerhouse... You are correct on Concorde. $1999. Travel and Hotel covered but no food. Plus have to pay coaches food. This is only for DA Showcases only. Disney is totally out of pocket. Tony and AtlUtd are in the perfect situation. By all these clubs having DA, they see these players 4 times a year plus showcases. The only downside that I see... are the Clubs that dont see AtlUtd as the destination club and will do what ever it takes to make sure AtlUtd doesnt take the top players. Example would be that AtlUtd see's a player on Concorde and would like to invite them for a few practice sessions or whatever. AtlUtd reaches out to club and the club says no. The main reason they would say no is that they don't want to loose the $$ in the future. However, they are only hurting themselves and ITS NOT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PLAYER if they do this.
allthingsoccer, I understand the dilemma my friend, as a matter of fact, I'm trying to figure it out myself for my kid's sake. All the options you mentioned sounds good. Its just unfortunate that clubs are creating this type of environment within youth soccer. I do like Atlanta United's approach but that is expected. I think if clubs are going to charge for DA, it should be at a reduced rate or free. I'm also in agreement with you that DA does not make much sense at u14 and younger because its too structured and the younger kids should be having "fun" while developing their skills.
You are right clubs that say no to ATl utd are just hurting themselves as the player/parent should see right through this and hence know that the club does not have their best interest.
Good conversation here. Its good being able to identify and analyze issues and hopefully find best solutions to resolve them.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jan 27, 2017 17:45:04 GMT -5
No way clubs will offer DA for free. If anything you will see an increase in fees and less coming out of clubs pocket. The clubs will see this as another revenue source. They are more worried about bottom line. Its really not the fault of the club but more the fault of the structure coming down from the Federation. Your only as good as the information and support thats given.
Even the State ran ODP should be free. This is run by the state.
The more and more that the clubs charge the more and more talent will fall between the cracks, less opportunity. Only diamonds will make the "FREE" MLS academy.
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Post by rifle on Jan 27, 2017 17:52:11 GMT -5
USSF has screwed the pooch again and again by ALLOWING multiple competing league structures to declare their supremacy, rather than letting teams earn it on the field.
I'd favor a total [das] re-boot. Have state run pools with relegation and promotion, ultimately to RPL and NL. Why? Because it is self sorting... on merit.
And separate funded academies at clubs with a PRO affiliation for the best of the best.
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Jan 27, 2017 18:30:40 GMT -5
Post by allthingsoccer on Jan 27, 2017 18:30:40 GMT -5
rifle... Love the idea and that seems very logical. [das] re-boot and a virus scan is needed for sure. But it's the USSF and they show no logic what so ever. I can't even count how many leagues are in the US.
I think you will someday find MLS out of DA. A lot of them do not like the Fed telling them how they should develop players.
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Jan 29, 2017 18:04:20 GMT -5
Post by 5.slooh on Jan 29, 2017 18:04:20 GMT -5
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Jan 29, 2017 19:51:19 GMT -5
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Post by newposter on Jan 29, 2017 19:51:19 GMT -5
Don't forget ECNL for boys starts this fall. These clubs will get DA players to come because they allow players to play high school.
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Jan 31, 2017 12:33:17 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 31, 2017 12:33:17 GMT -5
Haven't seen anything from Lanier, but unless I'm looking at the wrong twitter page, their last tweet is from ......Aug 2015...
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Jan 31, 2017 13:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by novice on Jan 31, 2017 13:42:28 GMT -5
LSA got U12, U13, U14 DA. It was announced last night.
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