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Post by dreaddy on Dec 31, 2013 11:39:15 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed the rule changes that Ga Soccer will vote on at the next AGM? Some pretty radical stuff! www.georgiasoccer.org/assets/pdfs/Rule_Change_Proposals_for_2014_AGM.pdfA few highlights: 140.1 Removes the rec:select ratio altogether 421. Club pass changes 732.3 Player does not have to be present to serve suspension 732.4-5 Suspended player must be rostered for the game he sits out 740.1f Eliminates grace period for penalty points 740.1 (New) Team gets 5 points for no incidents during the season
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Post by fan on Dec 31, 2013 16:11:33 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how the proposed changes to the misconduct rules shake up the standings. Maybe seeing teams with multiple red cards in a season will become less common.
I like the idea of a stronger penalty for forfeits. As much as I'd rather not drive to Savannah, south GA, etc. I hate to see those teams miss out on games.
Clubs that struggle to get enough players on their teams will like the change to being able to play on two teams in one day. And maybe some other teams will find ways to abuse that.
I haven't paid much attention to rule changes in the past. Are most rule changes easily approved? Is there ever much debate?
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Post by spectator on Jan 1, 2014 10:58:02 GMT -5
What is the rec:select ratio ?
Love the extra 5 points for no cards. Would have had my kids team in first instead of second in fall!
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Post by jash on Jan 1, 2014 10:58:23 GMT -5
The rule change to 421.4 will only encourage even more club pass shenanigans. The proposed rule change allows select players to play in up to two different games per day. The rationale: "It is felt that the club pass rules are too restrictive."
I personally know of three players who were rostered on a Classic 4 team who were REALLY members of a Classic 2 team one age older (they were playing up in age). They played in every C2 game and then every C4 game they could attend. This would allow those players to play in every single C4 game as well (schedules permitting, which they would after reschedule requests).
One player one team, is how it should be. This type of "dual rostering" is against the spirit of the youth soccer program, and this proposed rule change makes it far worse.
If they want to allow them to play in more than one game per day, that in and of itself is not bad. But there should be other restrictions. For example, only allow any given player to club pass to any given team 3 times per season maximum. This would serve multiple purposes:
1) the higher level players would have to be rostered with their natural teams 2) it would provide more opportunities for other players to club pass 3) it would not provide an opportunity for players to essentially play a tournament schedule every single weekend (huge injury risk)
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Post by dreaddy on Jan 1, 2014 12:28:37 GMT -5
To fan: "Are most rule changes easily approved? Is there ever much debate?" There will probably be a lot of debate. Most simple proposals pass easily. The ones that make a big change will probably pass or fail on a close vote.
To spectator: "What is the rec:select ratio ?" At the moment, for every select player that a club has, it has to have a recreation player as well. One proposal offers to eliminate the 1:1 ratio all together. This would allow clubs to become select only, which they can't do now. The second proposal still requires a club to have recreation players but changes the ration from 1:1 to 1:2 - 1 rec player to 2 select players.
To jash: Interesting idea of limiting the number of times a player can club pass.
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Post by jash on Jan 1, 2014 20:52:37 GMT -5
The removal of this:
"If at the end of the playing season, a team has 5 penalty points or less, no deductions from the standings will be charged to the team."
puts an awful lot of pressure on some young kids. I've seen red cards given for 'last man' fouls that should not cause that single player to cost their team two full standing points. That's incredibly harsh.
edit: and to be clear, giving a 5-point cushion means that it's unlikely that one single player would be responsible for the loss of standing points.
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Post by jash on Jan 1, 2014 20:57:10 GMT -5
I see what they are trying to do with this one:
"For each division, the team with the fewest incidents as described in 740.1a through 740.1e will have five points added to standing points at the end of each playing season. If more than one team is tied with the fewest incidents, each of those teams will receive the additional five points."
But I don't like it either. My kid's team is incredibly clean and would probably have benefited from this, but it isn't right. Penalty points are enough. Bonus points are just strange.
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Post by spectator on Jan 2, 2014 16:12:20 GMT -5
I have to wonder what prompted these penalty/bonus point changes? On the red card list - boys teams racked up 173 reds this fall where the girls teams only had 31. Most of the reds were at the older age groups so I wonder if it would have made any difference in standings had this rule been in effect this fall?
I doubt it'll get implemented though I do think teams that play clean and don't rack up the cards should be given some sort of recognition (maybe not points but defintely make it a top tiebreaker over goal differential?).
I 110% agree with the penalties for forfeits. I get so sick of the parents whining about how far it is to drive to Savannah for just one game. Then carpool or do something else. Your kid is on a team with out of area teams in the bracket - play the game and quit griping that you have to spend the money on gas!!
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Post by TheMadOx on Jan 2, 2014 16:36:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure how I feel about the select rec ratio. In one way, it would probably eliminate mergers and clubs playing under another clubs name just to meet the ratio needs. It will also heat up the recruiting problem that already exists...I admire the clubs that develop their own talent.
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Post by jack4343 on Jan 2, 2014 21:57:49 GMT -5
Very interesting! Should be some lively discussions when deciding these changes. My daughter would've benefited as well with the bonus points but like jash said it seems a bit much. Definitely agree with penalties on forfeits. Each club must make sure they are able to field a team for each scheduled game regardless of the distance traveled. Not sure I agree with the changes to the rec/select ratio. I'm sure it's hard for many clubs to even things out but I see most of the clubs becoming pay to play entirely and without a rec league to get kids interested, they will cut their nose off despite their face. Eventually you won't have a pool to pull from for Select. The clubs are probably in favor of removing the ratio but I just don't think it's very wise.
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Post by fan on Feb 4, 2014 6:48:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know what rule changes were accepted at the AGM?
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Post by dreaddy on Feb 4, 2014 15:46:57 GMT -5
120.4 Academy definition: eliminates U10-12 Classic - PASSED 120.6 New definition: adds non-traditional members - PASSED 310.3g (New) Dual rostering of non-traditional players - PASSED 310.3b Dual rostering – not needed if 310.3g passes - WITHDRAWN 140.1 Removes the rec:select ratio altogether - WITHDRAWN 140.1 Changes the rec:select ration from 1:1 to 1:2 - FAILED 421. Club pass changes - WITHDRAWN 421.4 Club pass (allows player to play two games in one day) - PASSED 540.1 Unique numbers on jerseys - FAILED 720.1 Game completed if a full half is completed - PASSED W AMENDMENT 730.1 Electronic submission of misconduct reports - PASSED 730.5 (New) D&P reviews referee misconduct and sends to SRC - FAILED 731.7 Referee assault becomes the only misconduct charge that can cause a coach to sit - PASSED W AMENDMENT out more than one game until there is a hearing 731.12 (New) Coach may request reinstatement before hearing - PASSED 732.3 Player does not have to be present to serve suspension - FAILED 732.4-5 Suspended player must be rostered for the game he sits out - PASSED 740.1e Increases number of penalty points for a forfeit - PASSED 740.1f Eliminates grace period for penalty points - FAILED 740.2a Affiliate President informed after 8 penalty points - PASSED 740.1 (New) Team gets 5 points for no incidents during the season - FAILED 750.4 (New) NCS Red Card only served in an NCS game - PASSED 760.2 Protest submission - PASSED 810 Removes details of Club Pass from the glossary - PASSED 810 Changes number of games player may play in a day - WITHDRAWN -- needed if 421.4 passes Full results here: www.georgiasoccer.org/assets/pdfs/Rule_Changes_from_2014_AGM.pdf
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Post by nutmeg on Feb 4, 2014 16:05:27 GMT -5
Are the ones that passed effective immediately?
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Post by dreaddy on Feb 5, 2014 6:09:05 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 5, 2014 8:45:41 GMT -5
surprised about this one:
540.1 Unique numbers on jerseys - FAILED
i didn't realize kids could wear the same jersey numbers?
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Post by jash on Feb 5, 2014 10:22:22 GMT -5
Great, 421.4 passed.
Get ready for classic 1 players in all your classic 5 games.
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Post by dreaddy on Feb 5, 2014 12:54:55 GMT -5
jash - 421.4 doesn't change the rule that much. A classic 1 player still can't play on a Classic 5 team as it was before. The difference is that the Classic 2 player can now play in his game and your Classic 1 game on the same day.
The 421 changes that would have taken away the level of play restrictions was withdrawn.
SoccerAdmin - since that rule was universal for rec and select, the rec people voted against it. It's not that unusual for rec players to have the same number since the teams often reform each year without new uniforms. Really only shows up in select games when you have Club Pass players.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 5, 2014 13:01:07 GMT -5
thanks dreaddyi really like the 421.4 rule change. the rule will give more opportunities for players on lower level teams at some of the larger clubs.
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Post by soccergator on Feb 5, 2014 15:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by jash on Feb 5, 2014 16:49:58 GMT -5
jash - 421.4 doesn't change the rule that much. A classic 1 player still can't play on a Classic 5 team as it was before. The difference is that the Classic 2 player can now play in his game and your Classic 1 game on the same day.. I disagree... I think it changes things quite a bit. There are clubs that roster their best players on lower level teams. Let's say player Joe is rostered with a Classic 3 team but is "really" on the Classic 1 team. Before, Joe would definitely go to every Classic 1 game, and every Classic 3 game that wasn't on the same day as the Classic 1 team already played. Now that restriction is removed. Joe will play in almost every game, where time and travel don't make it impossible. This rule change wasn't about opportunity for players, it's for clubs to boost their lower level teams using players who they roster intentionally on the wrong team. It is happening now, and it will happen even more after this rule change.
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Post by dreaddy on Feb 6, 2014 7:36:35 GMT -5
New link to the rule changes: www.georgiasoccer.org/assets/pdfs/Rule_Changes_from_2014_AGM-2.pdfjash - Didn't think of that. No matter how you write a rule to give players opportunities, clubs will find a way to use it in a way it was never intended. I think development of players is secondary to most if not all clubs. Just win baby, so we can recruit more players and get more money.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 6, 2014 10:33:20 GMT -5
clubs will always find away.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 6, 2014 10:37:10 GMT -5
so dreaddy, how does this process work now? clubs are alerted of the new rule changes. and the changes take place immediately?
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Post by TheMadOx on Feb 6, 2014 16:42:51 GMT -5
Unique number is interesting. I always thought each player had to have a unique number...I have had refs deny some academy players in matches because of having conflicting numbers.
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Post by dreaddy on Feb 6, 2014 17:26:34 GMT -5
Since a representative from each club is supposed to be at the meeting, there is no formal notification other than putting the new rules on the web site. It is up to the clubs to make sure their coaches know the rules. Everything goes into effect immediately. For a rule to be deferred to start at a later time, it would have to specifically say so.
Just checked the rules. The player's number has to be legible and has to correspond to the name on the roster, but does not have to be unique. It will make some interesting conversations when checking players in now that this has been brought to light.
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Post by pooldawg on Feb 6, 2014 18:14:21 GMT -5
If we had a guest player that had the same jersey number as one of our regular players players and we didn't have a different Jersey for him, we used tape to make a different number. Even so, we had a ref that booked the wrong player with a card because he couldn't see the tape. How can the ref discern which player should get credited for a goal or booked for a card?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 14:09:57 GMT -5
i just received the u13/u14 email from K Bowen with an attached document about the club pass system.
The document shared does not include the latest changes to rule 421.4?? was this just a mistake??
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