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Post by Keeper on Oct 1, 2017 20:21:06 GMT -5
Okay, so who hear is over the bullshît new 7v7 rules that half the clubs are using and half the clubs aren't using and 95% of the refs have no idea what they are???
For the rest that haven't dealt with this US Soccer and there wonderful idiocy have banned punting for 7v7 and added in a build out line that now allows players to not be offsides anywhere between both build out lines. So instead of the field being in two halves, it's in three quarters like a hockey rink and players can now cherry pick at the build out line instead of the half line like traditional soccer. Also these are not full rules yet but only highly recommended so not all clubs follow them until January. So thus why 1 of 20 refs know about them.
So add in the No heading from last year and essentially you've taken the game of soccer out of soccer and made the sport worse. I mean is US Soccer getting help from the NFL because by trying to make the game safer and more competitive they've almost killed the game for the Lil ones.
Anyone else having issues with any of this?
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Post by spectator on Oct 1, 2017 21:24:41 GMT -5
Even back in the day, I don't think offside was ever enforced until about U11. Question - how are they (officials) handling the no header rule - if a kid heads it does it become a free kick like a foul?
I can't follow the changes - we played 6v6 in Rec and U8-10 Academy then 8v8 in U11 and 12. Some - not all - clubs had 1-2 teams playing 11v11 at U12 but it wasn't the norm at that time. What exactly is the benefit of moving to 7v7 and 9v9 - at those ages the kids still clump up - they just increased the numbers of the clumpage.
Sorry - no help on your question but really curious as to how this works now.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 2, 2017 5:15:07 GMT -5
I so hate this dumb build out line. It punishes teams who have a higher soccer IQ and/or have fast players. I think this might be more appropriate in Rec but not in Academy/select games. Here is some more info and a video to assist those going through this craziness. Glad all of my kids, nieces and nephews are too old for this nonsense.
Guidelines for 9U/10U - 7v7 Play
• Build-out lines should be equidistant from the penalty area lines and halfway line OR Build-out lines should be 8 yards from halfway line • When the goalkeeper has the ball in hand during play from the opponent, the opposing team must move behind the build-out line until the ball is put into play. This includes goal kicks. • Once the opposing team is behind the build-out line, the goalkeeper can drop-kick, pass, throw or roll the ball to a teammate. Punting is not allowed. • The ball is deemed in-play once it is released from the goalkeeper’s hands or kicked on goal kicks. The opposing team can cross the build-out line and play resumes as normal. • If a goalkeeper punts the ball, an indirect free kick should be awarded to the opposing team from the spot of the offense. If the punt occurs within the goal area, the indirect free kick should be taken on the goal area line parallel to the goal line at the nearest point to where the infringement occurred
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 2, 2017 5:18:39 GMT -5
Even back in the day, I don't think offside was ever enforced until about U11. Question - how are they (officials) handling the no header rule - if a kid heads it does it become a free kick like a foul? I can't follow the changes - we played 6v6 in Rec and U8-10 Academy then 8v8 in U11 and 12. Some - not all - clubs had 1-2 teams playing 11v11 at U12 but it wasn't the norm at that time. What exactly is the benefit of moving to 7v7 and 9v9 - at those ages the kids still clump up - they just increased the numbers of the clumpage. Sorry - no help on your question but really curious as to how this works now. Yes it becomes a free kick. I've seen some refs call it indirect sometimes and others don't. Either way it's treated like a handball...
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Post by rifle on Oct 2, 2017 5:58:55 GMT -5
Indirect free kick is the instruction from our assignor.
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Post by randomparent on Oct 2, 2017 13:25:01 GMT -5
I so hate this dumb build out line. It punishes teams who have a higher soccer IQ and/or have fast players. I think this might be more appropriate in Rec but not in Academy/select games. Here is some more info and a video to assist those going through this craziness. Glad all of my kids, nieces and nephews are too old for this nonsense. Guidelines for 9U/10U - 7v7 Play • Build-out lines should be equidistant from the penalty area lines and halfway line OR Build-out lines should be 8 yards from halfway line • When the goalkeeper has the ball in hand during play from the opponent, the opposing team must move behind the build-out line until the ball is put into play. This includes goal kicks. • Once the opposing team is behind the build-out line, the goalkeeper can drop-kick, pass, throw or roll the ball to a teammate. Punting is not allowed. • The ball is deemed in-play once it is released from the goalkeeper’s hands or kicked on goal kicks. The opposing team can cross the build-out line and play resumes as normal. • If a goalkeeper punts the ball, an indirect free kick should be awarded to the opposing team from the spot of the offense. If the punt occurs within the goal area, the indirect free kick should be taken on the goal area line parallel to the goal line at the nearest point to where the infringement occurred Visual Clip: Couldn't disagree more about high soccer IQ. Basically for teams that attempted to build out of the back at U9 the opposing team would gun up and steal the ball over and over again, exploiting easy goals. Then their parents would laugh and cheer about how awesome there kids were at soccer. Anyways, would be like me saying it is high soccer IQ telling a five year old to pay attention on goal kicks in U6 because they are great opportunities to score.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 8:02:21 GMT -5
Forcing an entire nation to play one style is bad. Yes punting sucks and teams that do it at 7v7 and 9v9 every time are frustrating but learn to deal with it. Because the reality is in soccer at 11v11 many teams punt every time and always will.
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Post by alacrity174 on Oct 3, 2017 8:48:44 GMT -5
I so hate this dumb build out line. It punishes teams who have a higher soccer IQ and/or have fast players. I think this might be more appropriate in Rec but not in Academy/select games. Here is some more info and a video to assist those going through this craziness. Glad all of my kids, nieces and nephews are too old for this nonsense. Guidelines for 9U/10U - 7v7 Play • Build-out lines should be equidistant from the penalty area lines and halfway line OR Build-out lines should be 8 yards from halfway line • When the goalkeeper has the ball in hand during play from the opponent, the opposing team must move behind the build-out line until the ball is put into play. This includes goal kicks. • Once the opposing team is behind the build-out line, the goalkeeper can drop-kick, pass, throw or roll the ball to a teammate. Punting is not allowed. • The ball is deemed in-play once it is released from the goalkeeper’s hands or kicked on goal kicks. The opposing team can cross the build-out line and play resumes as normal. • If a goalkeeper punts the ball, an indirect free kick should be awarded to the opposing team from the spot of the offense. If the punt occurs within the goal area, the indirect free kick should be taken on the goal area line parallel to the goal line at the nearest point to where the infringement occurred Visual Clip: Couldn't disagree more about high soccer IQ. Basically for teams that attempted to build out of the back at U9 the opposing team would gun up and steal the ball over and over again, exploiting easy goals. Then their parents would laugh and cheer about how awesome there kids were at soccer. Anyways, would be like me saying it is high soccer IQ telling a five year old to pay attention on goal kicks in U6 because they are great opportunities to score. I am in agreement with Futsal Gwadess on the rational for these new build out lines. A no punting rule at U9/10 would have been a better way in my opinion. Now you have no heading, and having to wait at an imaginary line 1/3 of the way up the field which has no bearing on the real game these kids will be asked to play in a years time. In this system basically what you have told the players is you get 1 free pass to a team mate inside this "DMZ" after that everything starts. The powersa that be seem to be trying to make the game more complicated for all involved instead of simpler.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Oct 3, 2017 9:09:04 GMT -5
Ultimately, I could take it or leave it... I don't mind the concept of the build out line. I've seen too many games where a field player, whose turn it is to be in goal (many of which have no idea how to play goalie), can't get the ball out of the penalty box and teams just intercept and score at will. It frustrating and sad for the players and a team that plays proper soccer to lose a game that way. But if they are going with this concept, they need to think it through and apply sound logic to the rule. (I know... good luck with that, right?)
As I found out this past weekend (and as I think the OP mentioned) it also allows for the attacking team to be in an offside position and not get 'called' because of the build-out line. Crazy! In my daughters game, the team had two players about 5 yards past our last defender and a ball was booted up the field... allowing for a two-on-one against the goalie. Needless to say everyone yells 'offside' and the ref had to explain they are are not offside due to the new rule.
So how does that teach anything properly?? If they had been just few feet farther up the field and past the line, then it WOULD have been called? So your teaching them to ignore the last defender and only focus on this line, but only when you're on that one quarter of the field, then when you pass that line... THEN you focus on the last defender in the final quarter of the field. How does that help when they move to U11 & up and there is no line anymore. These are 8-9 year olds, simplify the concepts, don't make them harder.
Furthermore, as a defender you now can't safely push up the field because even though an opponent is in an offside position (as it use to be), they are no longer offside. This essentially forces them to have to maintain a position at the new build out line. How does that help the player "connect" with the rest of their team when they have possession? Instead of being able to play it back to the defender (because they now have to sit too far back), the midfielder or forwards have to turn into pressure. Not good soccer tactics in my opinion.
So in conclusion, if they are going with the build out line, at least change the attacking portion to make sense.
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Post by alacrity174 on Oct 3, 2017 9:22:58 GMT -5
Ultimately, I could take it or leave it... I don't mind the concept of the build out line. I've seen too many games where a field player, whose turn it is to be in goal (many of which have no idea how to play goalie), can't get the ball out of the penalty box and teams just intercept and score at will. It frustrating and sad for the players and a team that plays proper soccer to lose a game that way. But if they are going with this concept, they need to think it through and apply sound logic to the rule. (I know... good luck with that, right?) As I found out this past weekend ( and as I think the OP mentioned) it also allows for the attacking team to be in an offside position and not get 'called' because of the build-out line. Crazy! In my daughters game, the team had two players about 5 yards past our last defender and a ball was booted up the field... allowing for a two-on-one against the goalie. Needless to say everyone yells 'offside' and the ref had to explain they are are not offside due to the new rule. So how does that teach anything properly?? If they had been just few feet farther up the field and past the line, then it WOULD have been called? So your teaching them to ignore the last defender and only focus on this line, but only when you're on that one quarter of the field, then when you pass that line... THEN you focus on the last defender in the final quarter of the field. How does that help when they move to U11 & up and there is no line anymore. These are 8-9 year olds, simplify the concepts, don't make them harder. Furthermore, as a defender you now can't safely push up the field because even though an opponent is in an offside position (as it use to be), they are no longer offside. This essentially forces them to have to maintain a position at the new build out line. How does that help the player "connect" with the rest of their team when they have possession? Instead of being able to play it back to the defender (because they now have to sit too far back), the midfielder or forwards have to turn into pressure. Not good soccer tactics in my opinion. So in conclusion, if they are going with the build out line, at least change the attacking portion to make sense. This is a good discussion and one I wish USSF would have had themselves. Possibly they did and still couldn't work out a rational idea. The problem as I see it is the more you change the game to fit one scenario the more you affect the rest and then have to adjust again and again. The only real way to attack this is to ensure the coaches are focused on development and not winning (at U9 really), and have an agreement or directive to hold their attackers until after the first pass. Offside at U9 is also a rediculous idea, if a team wants to sit an attacker on the penalty box and just kick it up to that player go right ahead, as a coach that wouldn't bother me at all, I would keep teaching my players to play the ball and move into space to receive. Trust me by the time the kids are playing U13 they will be fine and the "big kid" who sat at the penalty box will be nowhere to be seen.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Oct 3, 2017 10:34:41 GMT -5
If coaches are coaching the kids properly - as showcased in the video above - there's not a problem. That video shows some nice soccer and there isn't any disruption of play.
As to offside, the player still has to keep in mind the last defender. It's just now, the build out line will is used to denote where offside offenses can be called. The same principles are in effect. Positioning etc. has to change accordingly, but that's on the coach to take care of and have the kids understand.
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Post by alacrity174 on Oct 3, 2017 11:15:17 GMT -5
If coaches are coaching the kids properly - as showcased in the video above - there's not a problem. That video shows some nice soccer and there isn't any disruption of play. As to offside, the player still has to keep in mind the last defender. It's just now, the build out line will is used to denote where offside offenses can be called. The same principles are in effect. Positioning etc. has to change accordingly, but that's on the coach to take care of and have the kids understand. This is Real Madrid though and not TSC or SSA or Concord or any other GA club. Look at the way these kids play and already understand the game and then translate that to U9 in GA Soccer, there is no comparison. Most U9 kids in the US still don't know what a Goal Kick is hardly any goalkeepers take them, let's compare apples to apples and not say that just because Spain does it we should too, we are now coming back to the Soccer IQ mentioned earlier and Spain has it in buckets our kids on the whole don't
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 3, 2017 11:17:39 GMT -5
Stupid and a very stupid question -- why did they change the offside rule to accommodate the build out line?
I will say, its painful to watch a team try to build out that can't. their are a lot of already mismatched academy games on a weekly basis, not sure if this really helps.
I don't know, before with out the build out line, their is a goal kick. Left and right back open up, and center back and midfielder split the middle. If they choose to pressure the outside backs and take that away, you play the ball to the middle and build out from their. The build out line will take away making kids think, and now keepers can just be robots and play the ball wide.
I say stop screwing with the game. There are very very very few dangerous headers at the youth level. Its more dangerous with out the headers, lots of high kicks and indirect kicks resulting from a header at point blank range.
When Eric Wynalda is in charge, hopefully he gets rid of all these stupid things.... bring back school age years squads. make DA an mls only initiative, so they can go to what ever they want within their own rules. give soccer back to the states, and let local teams actually form and develop. if you keep DA, maintain some level of promotion and relegation where teams can earn their way in to the "top " level. At the older age groups, start creating regional teams similar to ODP for player identification. Stop trying to only identify 20 kids across the entire country. It doesn't work. At the younger natoinal teams, implement the same regional concept, and make a point to always bring in different kids to be evaluated and assessed.
I'd also love to see clubs promote and encourage loyalty -- and stop the club hopping madness.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Oct 3, 2017 12:43:15 GMT -5
If coaches are coaching the kids properly - as showcased in the video above - there's not a problem. That video shows some nice soccer and there isn't any disruption of play. As to offside, the player still has to keep in mind the last defender. It's just now, the build out line will is used to denote where offside offenses can be called. The same principles are in effect. Positioning etc. has to change accordingly, but that's on the coach to take care of and have the kids understand. We will have to agree to disagree. Half-field for offside is not the same as the build out line for offside. It makes the defenders have to stay back three-forths of the way back down the field (positioning). If you've watched a U9 game lately, you would see they don't have the strongest of legs or accuracy to make the drop back pass (at that distance) an option and therefore, there is no way the defenders can support the midfield and visa versa. There is no "connection" between the defense and midfield lines and you leave gaps in coverage between the two team lines. It simply doesn't promote passing, switching fields (left to right, etc), overlapping, working as a unit... it promotes the opposite.
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Post by randomparent on Oct 4, 2017 6:52:33 GMT -5
Ultimately, I could take it or leave it... I don't mind the concept of the build out line. I've seen too many games where a field player, whose turn it is to be in goal (many of which have no idea how to play goalie), can't get the ball out of the penalty box and teams just intercept and score at will. It frustrating and sad for the players and a team that plays proper soccer to lose a game that way. But if they are going with this concept, they need to think it through and apply sound logic to the rule. (I know... good luck with that, right?) As I found out this past weekend ( and as I think the OP mentioned) it also allows for the attacking team to be in an offside position and not get 'called' because of the build-out line. Crazy! In my daughters game, the team had two players about 5 yards past our last defender and a ball was booted up the field... allowing for a two-on-one against the goalie. Needless to say everyone yells 'offside' and the ref had to explain they are are not offside due to the new rule. So how does that teach anything properly?? If they had been just few feet farther up the field and past the line, then it WOULD have been called? So your teaching them to ignore the last defender and only focus on this line, but only when you're on that one quarter of the field, then when you pass that line... THEN you focus on the last defender in the final quarter of the field. How does that help when they move to U11 & up and there is no line anymore. These are 8-9 year olds, simplify the concepts, don't make them harder. Furthermore, as a defender you now can't safely push up the field because even though an opponent is in an offside position (as it use to be), they are no longer offside. This essentially forces them to have to maintain a position at the new build out line. How does that help the player "connect" with the rest of their team when they have possession? Instead of being able to play it back to the defender (because they now have to sit too far back), the midfielder or forwards have to turn into pressure. Not good soccer tactics in my opinion. So in conclusion, if they are going with the build out line, at least change the attacking portion to make sense. The problem is at u9 most kids can't kid the ball hard enough for the defender to push up.
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