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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 27, 2018 17:16:16 GMT -5
The big project has been ongoing for a few years and when finished it will be very nice. Polo is not county owned and its used mainly for rec and adult leagues, I don't see them giving up either one of the locations. Maybe they will just move all of DA to the new place, but this is still something that will take time to finish Moving all DA to anywhere north of Fowler is probably not a good move for UFA talent wise. I think they would be better off turfing South Forsyth and make that where all top level teams train and play. Turfing South Forsyth is very low in the priority for Forsyth Couny Parks and Rec, this is because its only a soccer park and all others take priority. The top fields at Fowler will be turfed in the summer, it was supposed to happen in the Spring but Lacrosse wasnt able to move to Denmark yet so everything got postponed. As far as moving DA or not, who really knows what will happen, this is still years ahead.
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Post by rantingsoccerdad on Apr 5, 2018 16:31:45 GMT -5
I think some Virginia teams also competed in a US Club NPL like league as their regular season, I might be wrong about that. I'm wrong a lot! I think I remember something like that too. is this it? www.clubchampionsleague.com/about/We have TWO leagues like that. Club Champions League has a couple of the best clubs in the state and a couple more from Maryland, but those clubs are starting to enter the DA, so the "Champions League" will no longer have the A teams. Then there's the U.S. Club Soccer answer, Virginia Premier League, which isn't quite as good. (I say that with all due respect to my town's club, which is in it.) And some teams -- on a team-by-team rather than club-by-club basis -- enter EDP, which has stretched down the coast from New Jersey and now has enough of a critical mass in its southern divisions that the travel isn't that bad. So that's three elite-ish leagues. Plus DA. Plus ECNL. How is the Georgia "Champions League" progressing? (Disclaimer: Yes, I'm writing about this. I will also check in with clubs for info.)
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 6, 2018 17:23:44 GMT -5
We have TWO leagues like that. Club Champions League has a couple of the best clubs in the state and a couple more from Maryland, but those clubs are starting to enter the DA, so the "Champions League" will no longer have the A teams. Then there's the U.S. Club Soccer answer, Virginia Premier League, which isn't quite as good. (I say that with all due respect to my town's club, which is in it.) And some teams -- on a team-by-team rather than club-by-club basis -- enter EDP, which has stretched down the coast from New Jersey and now has enough of a critical mass in its southern divisions that the travel isn't that bad. So that's three elite-ish leagues. Plus DA. Plus ECNL. How is the Georgia "Champions League" progressing? (Disclaimer: Yes, I'm writing about this. I will also check in with clubs for info.) I personally haven't heard much, but unfortunately as my kids get older i'm starting to distance myself more and more from the club. I just fear parents will pay more for less, fees at the clubs are going up and up every year. I just yearn for the good ole days when state cup had meaning. sorry probably said that already........ The alphabet soup of leagues is really confusing to "new" parents, and we probably all could teach a nice soccer 101 league course in college. Could be like a current event class. Whos in!
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Post by rifle on Apr 7, 2018 11:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by jash on Apr 8, 2018 20:14:24 GMT -5
I've asked a few times for someone to write it up. No way am I going to take the time to learn this mess that youth soccer has become :-)
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Post by spectator on Apr 9, 2018 7:51:50 GMT -5
I've asked a few times for someone to write it up. No way am I going to take the time to learn this mess that youth soccer has become :-) Here you are - or at least my tongue in cheek attempt! Effective Fall 2018, a new youth soccer league, Champions League, will begin competition in Georgia. The league will comprise of the six (6) largest and therefore best clubs in the state: GSA, NTH, SSA, NTH, UFA and Concorde – hereby referred to as “CF” to stay consistent with the alphabet soup theme. These six (6) will compete only at the DA (Development Academy) and new BTRPL (Better Than RPL) levels. Any other teams at these six (6) clubs will be relegated to play in Athena/Classic for Georgia Soccer although the six (6) clubs are in talks with Super Y to create another elite league so the players and their parents can continue to act and feel superior to all Georgia Soccer teams. The new Champions League will have the following rules and regulations: 1. All games will be played on home field or no further than 12.87 miles from any member club’s home field. This does mean that NTH will be forced to play OTP but the league will provide armed security escorts from Buckhead to Metro North for games as well as sanitary wipes to ensure no OTP bacteria infect the ITP families and players. 2. All games will have no fewer than four (4) referees – a center, two ARs and one referee’s referee to man the instant replay feature available only to Champions League teams. 3. All referees will have no less than 10 years experience and/or have refereed at least two World Cups without incident. Additional requirements for referees in Champions League are never having missed an offside call, foul or handball in any game AND never having received a single parent complaint for bias, home grown, or nearsightedness. 4. All games will be held on Saturdays with mandatory weather conditions between 68 and 72 degrees Fahrenheit and sunny to partly cloudy conditions. If any games are threatened by a chance of rain, all clubs and parents will be given a cash stipend of $100 per game to ensure the required ROI as promised by the league. 5. All players participating in Champions League are guaranteed no fewer than two (2) invitations to National Training Camp (NTC), at least three full D1 scholarship offers, and/or a MLS contract no later than their 18th birthday or graduation of high school whichever comes first. In the unlikely event a player does not receive at least one of the aforementioned items, his or her parents will be immediately refunded any and all monies paid during the lifetime career of the player plus pain and suffering in the amount of $120,000 per player (limit of 3 players per family). 6. Champions League players will not be permitted to play in State Cup with their home team however during the free agency period (August 1 – May 20th) any player may act as guest and savior to any non Champions League team for a nominal fee of $50 per game paid in cash to the parents of said player 24 hours prior to game time preferably in a dark alley with no security cameras. Until such time that another elite league is established for any of the non Champions League teams at the six (6) member clubs, all players and parents on those teams will receive the following: 1. A minimum of 40 hours counseling and therapy to improve the loss of self esteem brought upon by playing in a Georgia Soccer league 2. Game day tee shirt and ball 3. Participation trophy after every game 4. Juice boxes and healthy snacks for all players, drink vouchers for parents 5. Alternative career counseling for all players of high school age if they have not yet been called up to Champions League. This includes but is not limited to: a. Vocational training b. College placement at the D3 or NAIA school of their choice c. Monetary compensation in the amount of $50,000 per player (limit 3 players per family) Champions League does not discriminate on gender, race, religion, parental political views or uniform brand.
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Post by spectator on Apr 9, 2018 8:04:04 GMT -5
Anyone else feel like the new future of youth soccer in Georgia is a messed up version of The Sneeches? Champions league has 'stars on thars'
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 9, 2018 9:13:53 GMT -5
Anyone else feel like the new future of youth soccer in Georgia is a messed up version of The Sneeches? Champions league has 'stars on thars' If you are referring to the Champions Club Board/Exec/DOC as the Sneeches with Stars then that’s cool with me and is quite humorous. However, if the sneeches with stars are the Parents/players at Big 5 clubs then I have to say unfair. They have no say in the matter and just because you are affiliated at one of the Big 5 clubs doesn’t mean you are for this change. I assume it’s the ones who make the decisions for the clubs you are joking about 😃 All we can do right now is wait and make the best of it, I still have not seen any notifications about this change.
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Post by spectator on Apr 9, 2018 9:39:06 GMT -5
If you are referring to the Champions Club Board/Exec/DOC as the Sneeches with Stars then that’s cool with me and is quite humorous. However, if the sneeches with stars are the Parents/players at Big 5 clubs then I have to say unfair. They have no say in the matter and just because you are affiliated at one of the Big 5 clubs doesn’t mean you are for this change. I assume it’s the ones who make the decisions for the clubs you are joking about 😃 All we can do right now is wait and make the best of it, I still have not seen any notifications about this change. Yes - the decision makers are the ones not thinking about what is best for the kids and what will bring in the most money. I'm less inclined to give parents the pass you are though - especially since most have the mentality that youth sports is a consumer good and they as parents have a say in everything. If you are a parent at one of these clubs and don't agree with this new league, leave the big club. It won't be the death of your kid's dreams (or yours). Of course this was all tongue in cheek and joking - if you can't laugh at this absurdity, perhaps you should remove yourself from it? Read more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/2767/next-soccer-war?page=2&scrollTo=20080#ixzz5CBblG6i7
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 9, 2018 9:40:03 GMT -5
I love the analogy and think it’s very funny! I had no idea about the Sneeches until you posted 👍 I think we all love Dr. Seuss 😃
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 9, 2018 13:10:05 GMT -5
If you are referring to the Champions Club Board/Exec/DOC as the Sneeches with Stars then that’s cool with me and is quite humorous. However, if the sneeches with stars are the Parents/players at Big 5 clubs then I have to say unfair. They have no say in the matter and just because you are affiliated at one of the Big 5 clubs doesn’t mean you are for this change. I assume it’s the ones who make the decisions for the clubs you are joking about 😃 All we can do right now is wait and make the best of it, I still have not seen any notifications about this change. Yes - the decision makers are the ones not thinking about what is best for the kids and what will bring in the most money. I'm less inclined to give parents the pass you are though - especially since most have the mentality that youth sports is a consumer good and they as parents have a say in everything. If you are a parent at one of these clubs and don't agree with this new league, leave the big club. It won't be the death of your kid's dreams (or yours). Of course this was all tongue in cheek and joking - if you can't laugh at this absurdity, perhaps you should remove yourself from it? Read more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/2767/next-soccer-war?page=2&scrollTo=20080#ixzz5CBblG6i7I think the analogy is hilarious. I read the tongue and cheek post which was also funny. I don't agree with your "just leave the big club if you don't like it" comment though. We already left a small club for a big club because the small club was treating some players (including my daughter) very poorly. The big club has been a much better experience for both of my kids. I don't like the new champions league idea, but that one small club and our current big club are the only clubs that are within a 40 minute drive (each way) to us. Between my husband's job and my job and our kids' soccer schedules (3 days training per week, both of them) there is not another option at least until the kids start to drive themselves and that is a few years away. Sometimes parents are just stuck with only a few options.
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Post by wow on Apr 9, 2018 13:38:15 GMT -5
I just checked the standings from last years SRPL Premier. Except for a few exceptions the big six got pounded last year. I could be mistaken but it looks like the new league is more about putting the training wheels back on and getting out of the travel for teams that are not that good or serious. This model will make it easier for the big clubs manage the teams that normally get looked over. makes sense from a management point of view.
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Post by spectator on Apr 9, 2018 14:19:36 GMT -5
I think the analogy is hilarious. I read the tongue and cheek post which was also funny. I don't agree with your "just leave the big club if you don't like it" comment though. We already left a small club for a big club because the small club was treating some players (including my daughter) very poorly. The big club has been a much better experience for both of my kids. I don't like the new champions league idea, but that one small club and our current big club are the only clubs that are within a 40 minute drive (each way) to us. Between my husband's job and my job and our kids' soccer schedules (3 days training per week, both of them) there is not another option at least until the kids start to drive themselves and that is a few years away. Sometimes parents are just stuck with only a few options. Frankly if you feel that 'stuck', don't play soccer at all or switch to a different level that fits your commitment and any restrictions you have with schedules. I'm not being rude - just stating a fact that if parents truly believe that you are paying for a service and have a say in how things are run (I personally do not subscribe to the belief that youth sports are a consumer goods product), then you as a parent have every right to make a change or find an alternative. Not advocating that you up and move closer to a club that fits your desires, but to stay somewhere out of convenience and hope that things will get better isn't the best strategy in my humble opinion. At the end of the day, no one or nothing is holding you hostage at any club - big or small - other than your willingness to stay there. So I stand by my comment - leave the club if you aren't happy with where it's headed. Life is too short to be trapped by something like that. Good luck to you, though - hope it works out is good for your player(s).
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Post by soccerparent02 on Apr 9, 2018 18:29:55 GMT -5
I read above the comment about the big six and their results in SRPL. I would remind the poster these were the 2nd and in some case depending on club.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Apr 9, 2018 18:30:20 GMT -5
I read above the comment about the big six and their results in SRPL. I would remind the poster these were the 2nd and in some case 3rd team depending on club.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 9, 2018 18:45:51 GMT -5
I accidentally posted in the should. Sorry. Something weird happened with my phone and the forum. I was trying to say that you took "stuck" too literally. I am happy with my big 6 club. I just think it is annoying that people say go to another club like that is so easy. I have 2 possible options. Any other place is too far. It is not a convenience issue. One of us would have to quit work to change to a club other than the two we have done so far. The rest are too far and not possible to get to from where we live and they go to school and still get them to bed at a decent hour. And we are not quitting soccer over a decision about what league someone plays in. That is cutting off your nose to spite your face. I like my big 6 club so I will stay even with champions league . Plus I won't judge it until I see the product even if the concept is not to my liking.
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Post by spectator on Apr 9, 2018 18:56:36 GMT -5
I accidentally posted in the should. Sorry. Something weird happened with my phone and the forum. I was trying to say that you took "stuck" too literally. I am happy with my big 6 club. I just think it is annoying that people say go to another club like that is so easy. I have 2 possible options. Any other place is too far. It is not a convenience issue. One of us would have to quit work to change to a club other than the two we have done so far. The rest are too far and not possible to get to from where we live and they go to school and still get them to bed at a decent hour. And we are not quitting soccer over a decision about what league someone plays in. That is cutting off your nose to spite your face. I like my big 6 club so I will stay even with champions league . Plus I won't judge it until I see the product even if the concept is not to my liking. Hope it works out for you.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 9, 2018 19:05:09 GMT -5
I think all the kids will enjoy club soccer regardless of league. I think we parents are more concerned about leagues, because those of us with kids that are interested in playing college soccer are looking for exposure and building a resume. Kids aren’t savvy enough at this age.
Maybe some of you with kids that have been through all of this can chime in - do you think it matters what league? I think DA boys obviously wins out, but beyond that, who knows?
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Post by wow on Apr 9, 2018 20:34:42 GMT -5
I read above the comment about the big six and their results in SRPL. I would remind the poster these were the 2nd and in some case 3rd team depending on club.
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Post by wow on Apr 9, 2018 20:43:43 GMT -5
That is exactly the point. Why travel out of your way and waste your time and money to play on an inferior team and league? If the clib is close to your home of course it makes sense to play there. But if you have to travel more thane 30 minutes is there not a club closer to you that could not provide more competition than the new league comprised of teams that are not able to compete at the SRPL level? Or have the big clubs convinced everyone that they should have a star on their chest?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 20:55:12 GMT -5
Granted I haven’t asked anyone at the club, I’m at a big 5 club and haven’t heard anything from the club except for what’s been discussed here.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 9, 2018 21:28:40 GMT -5
Why do we travel for youth soccer games? Maybe because we think Georgia is not filled with enough quality top teams and you have to go to another state to play the other top teams so that all top teams of each state get to play each other. What??? How do we decide that playing the so called top teams in the next state is an achievement in youth soccer development? Only thing you achieve is a full blown weekend of traveling on dangerous highways, eating fast food and staying in crappy hotels. If you like this then by all means do so, especially if you have the time and money to blow. Youth Soccer is only expensive here in the United States and that doesn’t include traveling yet. Please add the money and time spent and maybe you can take a step back and realize that your son can’t get a D1 or D2 Scholarship or play for Atlanta United or go to Europe and play. Do you see how many Internationals are coming to America and are getting those scholarships? I bet, for most it is the first time they’ve had to travel in to play soccer. Girls have a better chance at D1 & D2. Especially, the ones coming out of ECNL and DA. Is it worth it? My son and I will not travel unless it’s for DA. (and that’s a period!) I can’t afford ECNL or SRPL. I can’t drive hundreds of miles away, to stay in a Holiday Inn for 2 - 3 hours of soccer and convince my son that he is developing in the game even though he spent double or triple the time in the car. He’s only a kid and likes his weekend time as so do I but here at home is fine with us.
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Post by spectator on Apr 10, 2018 11:35:47 GMT -5
Maybe some of you with kids that have been through all of this can chime in - do you think it matters what league? I think DA boys obviously wins out, but beyond that, who knows? My two cents as the old chick aging out this year: My kid has played at pretty much every level since U13 - from the most dysfunctional Athena D team at U13 to SRPL. We are not a a club with ECNL or DA . Does the level matter - yes and no. Twelve year olds aren't thinking about college - most of them aren't really developed enough to play on the full 11v11 field well. Coaches will snatch up the larger faster kids at 12 and put them on the 'top' teams. Back when my kid was U13 - that was just Athena A and RPL - no division 1 RPL, ECNL, DA - just Athena and one level of RPL. And then the layers came -and parents chased that highest level thinking it was the ticket to whatever - college, pros, national team - and the kids were a whopping 13 or 14 by this time. The truth is - if your kid wants to play college ball, there are colleges where he or she can play. That school may not be where he or she wants to go as a student so make sure the decision is what is right for the kid well beyond soccer because face it, maybe 1% of the players now will be chosen for a national team or make a MLS team. Hardest thing for a parent to face is that your kid isn't that 1% but the math doesn't lie. Let the kid play - period. School should always come first - soccer is an activity not a career - especially for a pre-teen or teenager. Now - do you have to be on an ECNL or DA team to play in college - no you do not. You may not get that power conference D1 scholarship - which by the way is rarely 100% athletic - soccer players are typically pretty good students so the Academic money will far outweigh the athletic and combined may equate to that 'full ride' but anyone telling you their kid got a full Athletic ride for soccer is full of it. Oh and that D1 quest - has lots of layers. For every Alabama, USC, Penn State - there's a Wofford, Robert Morris University, or Mount St Mary's - all good schools but hardly recognized powerhouses. You have to think about the school - size, academic offering, etc. Does your kid want to play soccer badly enough to go to a school that is most likely smaller than his or her high school here in Metro Atlanta? (700 students? 1500 students?) If so, great. If not, don't compromise just to play at a D1 school to say you're at a D1 school. What we learned in the college search is there are schools with soccer programs you have never ever ever heard of much less considered? But there is a school out there for any kid who wants to play - the question will always be - does your kid want to spend 4 years there and will he or she emerge with a viable degree that will get them a job - or into grad school? On my daughter's team, every senior who wanted to play in college will be doing so - at schools they also wanted to attend. We know a girl who was on an Athena B team who will be playing at a small D3 school - but it's the school she wanted to go to in an area she loves. (For the record, she's a very good player but at a very large club and has never been recognized or given an opportunity to move up - that club tends to recruit and take new players over those that have been there - not dissing that club, just friends with the family and have heard that for years - but they liked the coach and team and stayed - I'm happy that she gets to continue playing). Point is - don't chase a level thinking it'll give your kid the 'full ride' to a power conference school. Let him or her dictate where they want to spend those four years of their life and if they want to play for the school or play club soccer at a larger school. We know tons of girls who are attending large schools and playing club soccer for the love of the game and fun social interaction while they are at that school. Or your kid may hang up his or her cleats by their senior year - it is, after all, their life - their decision. By the time they're seniors, the other hardest thing for a parent is realizing their kid is about to leave and make their own decisions. (Or at least that's mine - pass the tissues - I will be a mess come August when she leaves!) I honestly think the only people who give a flip about what soccer level a teenage kid plays are the clubs who cash the checks and the parents who get sucked into the ego games or who think there needs to be some kind of ROI on your 'investment' in your child's soccer. I've said countless times, I don't believe children's activities are 'consumer services' where parents get to dictate the game plan. These are your kids - let them play and enjoy what they do - if you get a 'return' via some college money, bonus - if not, your kids got some fresh air, exercise, learned teamwork and had some fun with their friends. That to me is a much greater 'return' on the 'investment' than any $ could ever be. Again -just my two cents - there are days I wish I could travel back in time to when my kid was in Academy and just smack myself upside the head for getting wrapped up in the trivial crap of whether she was on the 'top' team for that week or not. I'm glad I realized it soon enough to have enjoyed these past 7 years and the journey she was on - thankfully she let me come along for the ride. I will miss that. (crap, off to find a Kleenex - I suck as the mom of a senior lately)
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Post by infoguy on Apr 10, 2018 16:12:34 GMT -5
Thanks spectator, very thoughtful reply - thanks for taking the time to write. Curious from the boys' side too...
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Post by rifle on Apr 11, 2018 12:30:39 GMT -5
That was more than two cents.
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Post by spectator on Apr 16, 2018 15:38:49 GMT -5
That was more than two cents. 😁 Consider it a bonus, then! I'm an over achiever!
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