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Post by betonsoccer on Mar 20, 2018 18:17:22 GMT -5
Big Boy 6's They have made their move. Pulling out of Georgia Soccer with their next level teams. - AFU (ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls teams
- Concorde Fire (DA/ECNL) - 3rd boys and girls teams
- GSA (ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls teams
- NASA Tophat (DA/ECNL) - 3rd boys and girls teams
- SSA (Boys DA) - 2nd team boys for U12-U14, U15+ 1st team, and girls 1st teams
- UFA (DA/ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls team
All Other Clubs
My DOC said, some, or all, of the remaining small-to-medium clubs in Georgia have put together a mob to go after the Big Boys with bylaw changes in Georgia Soccer. My DOC also said, all of the other clubs, plan to not attend any of the Big Boys' tournaments.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 20, 2018 18:21:42 GMT -5
We will see. Unfortunately per USYS bylaws they haven’t done anything wrong and Ga Soccer can’t “punish” them with anything. We were told they can’t even revoke their GA Soccer memberships since they haven’t broken any rules.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 20, 2018 18:24:49 GMT -5
Is it definitive that UFA applied for ECNL? Also, several people have made comments about multiple location clubs...for example is Concorde going to do central's third team or UFA Forsyth second team or Norcross top team etc? Tophat for girls has Quest Park, Metro North, plus main location and next year will have LSA! Still sounds like a mess to me!!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 20, 2018 18:41:20 GMT -5
UFA definitely applied for ECNL. Also the unwritten rule/agreement now is for a club with multiple locations to separate DA/ECNL. So for example, should UFA get ECNL, it will not be run out of Fowler, but more likely Norcross. DA will stay and continue out of Fowler. Finally, at practice today, one of my girlfriends who is in with the leadership of UFA out of Forsyth told me, word on the street is UFA is planning some major project in Forsyth that will dwarf Fowler and Polo combined. Will keep you posted as I know more.
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Post by RedDevil10 on Mar 20, 2018 19:02:06 GMT -5
UFA definitely applied for ECNL. Also the unwritten rule/agreement now is for a club with multiple locations to separate DA/ECNL. So for example, should UFA get ECNL, it will not be run out of Fowler, but more likely Norcross. DA will stay and continue out of Fowler. Finally, at practice today, one of my girlfriends who is in with the leadership of UFA out of Forsyth told me, word on the street is UFA is planning some major project in Forsyth that will dwarf Fowler and Polo combined. Will keep you posted as I know more. Where does UFA DA practice now ? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 20, 2018 19:30:59 GMT -5
I had heard a rumor a year an half ago, that some rich guy owned land just north of the exit from fowler, and wanted it to be a huge soccer park with one request, his name was on it.
Boys DA are South Forsyth (12s, 13s) and Summerour (14s, 15s) - 17s do both.
Girls are all Fowler.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 20, 2018 20:07:43 GMT -5
Absolutely, that is what I heard. Trying to find out specific details. Question is will UFA keep Fowler and Polo? I would, less you allow a rival big club without a true soccer home/field move right into your backyard.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 20, 2018 20:34:49 GMT -5
UFA definitely applied for ECNL. Also the unwritten rule/agreement now is for a club with multiple locations to separate DA/ECNL. So for example, should UFA get ECNL, it will not be run out of Fowler, but more likely Norcross. DA will stay and continue out of Fowler. Finally, at practice today, one of my girlfriends who is in with the leadership of UFA out of Forsyth told me, word on the street is UFA is planning some major project in Forsyth that will dwarf Fowler and Polo combined. Will keep you posted as I know more. I heard the same thing about the fields, but had heard that it was right off 400 near 306 and 369. That is a bit far north for a lot of people if that is true. The ECNL/ DA out of different locations would be interesting. I wonder how that would shift players around. Tophat isn't that big of a deal since all of their locations are relatively close to each other unless they choose LSA which I highly doubt. Though if they did choose LSA they could divert some kids who go to UFA and AFU back. I think it would be interesting to see how having ECNL at CF north and UFA Norcross would change things up for those locations. I guess it is something new every year now. Two years ago was age group change, then girls DA and boys ECNL last year, now supposedly the big 6 thing. Hard to decide where your family fits in with all of these changes. |
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Post by surgesoccer on Mar 20, 2018 20:41:44 GMT -5
If what I've seen, ECNL 2-3 times the cost of Classic 1, it will make the decision a bit easier for some. Parents are going to have to come out of pocket more, not less, or choose to play with a less competitive team. Or switch clubs.
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Post by infoguy on Mar 21, 2018 6:30:50 GMT -5
Big Boy 6's They have made their move. Pulling out of Georgia Soccer with their next level teams. - AFU (ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls teams
- Concorde Fire (DA/ECNL) - 3rd boys and girls teams
- GSA (ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls teams
- NASA Tophat (DA/ECNL) - 3rd boys and girls teams
- SSA (Boys DA) - 2nd team boys for U12-U14, U15+ 1st team, and girls 1st teams
- UFA (DA/ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls team
All Other Clubs
My DOC said, some, or all, of the remaining small-to-medium clubs in Georgia have put together a mob to go after the Big Boys with bylaw changes in Georgia Soccer. My DOC also said, all of the other clubs, plan to not attend any of the Big Boys' tournaments.
Good bullets, but more of a theory than a true move by some. Meaning UFA, for example, has to be accepted into ECNL, which some reliable/knowledgeable folks on this forum believe it will not happen. And, SSA may stay in RPL, which doesn't mean that the Champions League, or whatever is first team for U15+. And, you have to break out the ages for NTH boys, like you did for SSA (they only have DA up to a certain age). |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 21, 2018 8:52:20 GMT -5
Then again maybe Georgia Soccer should reach out and have a come to Jesus meeting with the Big 5.5 and genuinely listen to their issues with the current system and try to address some or all of the legitimate issues that have been raised on this forum. I understand that the customer is not always right, sometimes they are just plain wrong. However, in this case the service being provided by Georgia Soccer was atrocious enough to get the Big 5.5 up off their behinds to make this happen, and in very short order too. As a business once your customers start to walk, you have to look internally and ask some truly tough questions.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 21, 2018 8:57:02 GMT -5
UFA definitely applied for ECNL. Also the unwritten rule/agreement now is for a club with multiple locations to separate DA/ECNL. So for example, should UFA get ECNL, it will not be run out of Fowler, but more likely Norcross. DA will stay and continue out of Fowler. Finally, at practice today, one of my girlfriends who is in with the leadership of UFA out of Forsyth told me, word on the street is UFA is planning some major project in Forsyth that will dwarf Fowler and Polo combined. Will keep you posted as I know more. Interesting. I had also heard a while ago that UFA had wanted to grow UFA Milton, but that could have cooled off some. I don't know why they wouldn't want to though... It is in a very good location, somewhat centrally located to pull talent away from several clubs, and has very nice facilities with room to grow also. Anyway... Sorry for the hijack, just sounds like you have insight into the UFA goings-on... |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 21, 2018 8:58:47 GMT -5
Isn't the milton facility some though? 1 to 2 fields. I know it has a nice building, but parking is tight also? Is their more space for growth with fields?
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 21, 2018 9:07:38 GMT -5
Curious... Are there any other states that are having similar issues like this? I get that each state is unique in it's make up, but there is just so much drama... I didn't know if anyone has heard of craziness like we have going on.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 21, 2018 9:31:32 GMT -5
Big Boy 6's They have made their move. Pulling out of Georgia Soccer with their next level teams. - AFU (ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls teams
- Concorde Fire (DA/ECNL) - 3rd boys and girls teams
- GSA (ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls teams
- NASA Tophat (DA/ECNL) - 3rd boys and girls teams
- SSA (Boys DA) - 2nd team boys for U12-U14, U15+ 1st team, and girls 1st teams
- UFA (DA/ECNL) - 2nd boys and girls team
All Other Clubs
My DOC said, some, or all, of the remaining small-to-medium clubs in Georgia have put together a mob to go after the Big Boys with bylaw changes in Georgia Soccer. My DOC also said, all of the other clubs, plan to not attend any of the Big Boys' tournaments.
When did AFU make it back into the mix? And as someone else mentioned, UFA hasn't gotten ECNL yet and they may not get it and SSA top teams U15+ still plan on playing RPL. As far as the other clubs not competing in the "Big Boys tournaments" its a giant bluff. i think the smaller clubs would hurt more if these clubs didn't send any teams to their tournaments....$$$ talks louder. Clubs need the revenue from these tournaments and you have to have the competition in order to draw teams from out of town/state |
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 21, 2018 9:34:51 GMT -5
Curious... Are there any other states that are having similar issues like this? I get that each state is unique in it's make up, but there is just so much drama... I didn't know if anyone has heard of craziness like we have going on. I think i remember reading long time ago about TX having its own thing and not doing it thru the state anymore? i think it was run thru US Club as well usclubsoccer.org/programs/leagues/other-youth-competitive-leagues/ |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 21, 2018 9:42:03 GMT -5
I think some Virginia teams also competed in a US Club NPL like league as their regular season, I might be wrong about that. I'm wrong a lot!
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 21, 2018 9:44:28 GMT -5
I think some Virginia teams also competed in a US Club NPL like league as their regular season, I might be wrong about that. I'm wrong a lot! I think I remember something like that too. is this it? www.clubchampionsleague.com/about/ |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 21, 2018 10:32:53 GMT -5
Some of this stuff isn't 100% accurate nor do I believe some of the ramifications or negative impacts to the 6 clubs. There have been complaints about RPL for years in terms of level of competition, organization, timely communication, etc. If nothing changes sometimes entities have to do whats best for their population/participants.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 21, 2018 10:51:53 GMT -5
Isn't the milton facility some though? 1 to 2 fields. I know it has a nice building, but parking is tight also? Is their more space for growth with fields? From what I understand, Milton has 2 fields (1 grass, 1 turf). It has top-end lighting where you can adjust the brightness as needed and a nice training/clubhouse building... and from what I have told, it owns approx. 14 acres around the facility for growth/expansion. So you could add parking, as well as, field space. Again, good location with talent in the area, I would think they would want to develop that... but what do I know, lol. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 21, 2018 11:28:11 GMT -5
UFA definitely applied for ECNL. Also the unwritten rule/agreement now is for a club with multiple locations to separate DA/ECNL. So for example, should UFA get ECNL, it will not be run out of Fowler, but more likely Norcross. DA will stay and continue out of Fowler. Finally, at practice today, one of my girlfriends who is in with the leadership of UFA out of Forsyth told me, word on the street is UFA is planning some major project in Forsyth that will dwarf Fowler and Polo combined. Will keep you posted as I know more. Interesting. I had also heard a while ago that UFA had wanted to grow UFA Milton, but that could have cooled off some. I don't know why they wouldn't want to though... It is in a very good location, somewhat centrally located to pull talent away from several clubs, and has very nice facilities with room to grow also. Anyway... Sorry for the hijack, just sounds like you have insight into the UFA goings-on... The big project has been ongoing for a few years and when finished it will be very nice. Polo is not county owned and its used mainly for rec and adult leagues, I don't see them giving up either one of the locations. Maybe they will just move all of DA to the new place, but this is still something that will take time to finish |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 21, 2018 12:59:49 GMT -5
Isn't the milton facility some though? 1 to 2 fields. I know it has a nice building, but parking is tight also? Is their more space for growth with fields? From what I understand, Milton has 2 fields (1 grass, 1 turf). It has top-end lighting where you can adjust the brightness as needed and a nice training/clubhouse building... and from what I have told, it owns approx. 14 acres around the facility for growth/expansion. So you could add parking, as well as, field space. Again, good location with talent in the area, I would think they would want to develop that... but what do I know, lol. Unfortunately, that is a separate project and goal of UFA. This project does not involve Milton. It is a project that would for all intent and purposes start from scratch. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 21, 2018 23:14:59 GMT -5
Then again maybe Georgia Soccer should reach out and have a come to Jesus meeting with the Big 5.5 and genuinely listen to their issues with the current system and try to address some or all of the legitimate issues that have been raised on this forum. I understand that the customer is not always right, sometimes they are just plain wrong. However, in this case the service being provided by Georgia Soccer was atrocious enough to get the Big 5.5 up off their behinds to make this happen, and in very short order too. As a business once your customers start to walk, you have to look internally and ask some truly tough questions. The problem is not GA Soccer, its USYS. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 22, 2018 15:07:01 GMT -5
Then again maybe Georgia Soccer should reach out and have a come to Jesus meeting with the Big 5.5 and genuinely listen to their issues with the current system and try to address some or all of the legitimate issues that have been raised on this forum. I understand that the customer is not always right, sometimes they are just plain wrong. However, in this case the service being provided by Georgia Soccer was atrocious enough to get the Big 5.5 up off their behinds to make this happen, and in very short order too. As a business once your customers start to walk, you have to look internally and ask some truly tough questions. The problem is not GA Soccer, its USYS. I'm confused, is it not one in the same? |
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 22, 2018 15:19:00 GMT -5
The problem is not GA Soccer, its USYS. I'm confused, is it not one in the same? no, its two complete different entities. GA Soccer runs the leagues in the state like select and ODP. USYS runs the regional leagues like RPL and NL, they also run regionals and nationals. USYS also runs the ODP regional team GA soccer is a member of USYS |
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Post by surgesoccer on Mar 25, 2018 18:41:53 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 25, 2018 19:01:04 GMT -5
With all of the discussion regarding DA and ECNL having to be at different locations, does anyone have insight into where Concorde will have ECNL? The north location? What about Tophat?
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Post by surgesoccer on Mar 26, 2018 13:13:05 GMT -5
Concorde already has ECNL and I believe is out of Central. During Fall their classic one team was listed as Pre-ECNL. Interesting as of now its simply listed as Classic 1.
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Post by footballer on Mar 26, 2018 13:32:09 GMT -5
Interesting. I had also heard a while ago that UFA had wanted to grow UFA Milton, but that could have cooled off some. I don't know why they wouldn't want to though... It is in a very good location, somewhat centrally located to pull talent away from several clubs, and has very nice facilities with room to grow also. Anyway... Sorry for the hijack, just sounds like you have insight into the UFA goings-on... The big project has been ongoing for a few years and when finished it will be very nice. Polo is not county owned and its used mainly for rec and adult leagues, I don't see them giving up either one of the locations. Maybe they will just move all of DA to the new place, but this is still something that will take time to finish Moving all DA to anywhere north of Fowler is probably not a good move for UFA talent wise. I think they would be better off turfing South Forsyth and make that where all top level teams train and play. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 26, 2018 14:01:47 GMT -5
Concorde already has ECNL and I believe is out of Central. During Fall their classic one team was listed as Pre-ECNL. Interesting as of now its simply listed as Classic 1. Concorde has had its girls ECNL out of central and I assumed that is where they started their boys ECNL. However, there has been mention that ECNL and DA teams are supposed to be moved to DIFFERENT locations. If this is true then they cannot have both DA and ECNL out of central...hence my question...do they move it to the North location? Same for Tophat. Last year I had heard rumors that Concorde was going to move girls ECNL to North. Last year that made no sense to me, but if they are REQUIRED to have them in separate locations then it makes a lot of sense. If that rule applies to the girls I would assume it would apply to boys as well (though since I don't have any boys that doesn't matter to me). |
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