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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 11:57:40 GMT -5
411, GA Rush, your club, record against: UFA Fowler: 0-1 UFA Norcross: 1-1-1 Concorde Central: 1-1 By your logic if these three teams "suck", then your team "sucks". But that's your "I'm a little club so I hate all big club mentality". Personally I think these four teams are pretty good teams and fairly equal in talent. Yes GA Rush is on top of the table and good for them. They have played more consistent than UFA Norcross and Concorde, and as of now equal to UFA Fowler (similar records but Rush has played more games). You can also add Roswell, MOBA, Athens, and the Steamers as teams that have played really good soccer in Fall and Spring. KSA I would exclude only because every chance they get they are pulling kids from the GA Storm team to play with them. The rest of the teams could be dropped to Classic two, but you really think that YMCA, Dalton, Red Star, Bryson Park, Georgia Express, and Alianza would fare that much better. UFA South was in Classic 2 in fall and was promoted to Classic 1 above these teams. The level of rhetoric you are displaying is not natural. My guess is you want to bash the Big 5 and the new league to try to shape perceptions to prevent kids from leaving the smaller clubs to go to one of the Big 5. Or could be that, that is just who you are. Relax it's youth soccer. I agree this thread has lost all value. When things or more clear I'm sure a new thread will start. I understand your point however I look at these Big 5 teams as home to ECNL, NPL or SCCL so rather than mourning the loss of competition I prefer to look on bright side of what these Classic II teams will bring. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 12:01:36 GMT -5
411, GA Rush, your club, record against: UFA Fowler: 0-1 UFA Norcross: 1-1-1 Concorde Central: 1-1 By your logic if these three teams "suck", then your team "sucks". But that's your "I'm a little club so I hate all big club mentality". Personally I think these four teams are pretty good teams and fairly equal in talent. Yes GA Rush is on top of the table and good for them. They have played more consistent than UFA Norcross and Concorde, and as of now equal to UFA Fowler (similar records but Rush has played more games). You can also add Roswell, MOBA, Athens, and the Steamers as teams that have played really good soccer in Fall and Spring. KSA I would exclude only because every chance they get they are pulling kids from the GA Storm team to play with them. The rest of the teams could be dropped to Classic two, but you really think that YMCA, Dalton, Red Star, Bryson Park, Georgia Express, and Alianza would fare that much better. UFA South was in Classic 2 in fall and was promoted to Classic 1 above these teams. The level of rhetoric you are displaying is not natural. My guess is you want to bash the Big 5 and the new league to try to shape perceptions to prevent kids from leaving the smaller clubs to go to one of the Big 5. Or could be that, that is just who you are. Relax it's youth soccer. I agree this thread has lost all value. When things or more clear I'm sure a new thread will start. I understand your point however I look at these Big 5 teams as home to ECNL, NPL or SCCL so rather than mourning the loss of competition I prefer to look on bright side of what these Classic II teams will bring. However I do have to give you credit for responding with an intelligent analysis of the age group |
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 3, 2018 12:30:16 GMT -5
Ok, that's your experience. Mine was having my child switch clubs to come over to UFA because we were told we would have coach "X". Only to find out after committing, that it was now going to be coach "Y". That's not even mentioning the multiple other promises that were broken... plus when asking questions as to why they were broken, either being told I'm not suppose to question it, or most times, getting no answer at all. So when you describe UFA as this transparent oasis where they tell no lies, I have to differ. And my experience is that they are HORRIBLE at communication. I have no affiliation with CF and have no agenda... just calling it out that NO club is free from propaganda and misdirection. Ultimately, every club has good coaches and bad, good age groups and bad, good communication and bad. We have made the best of the situation and have done quite well to make lemonade out of the lemons we were given. Fair enough - sounds like you definitely have had your share of bad communication from UFA. I would totally be miffed at them switching coaches - that indeed is not a good feeling especially if you went there to play with Coach X and got Coach F. I have never experienced that but would totally flip out. I never said they didn't lie - that's like saying lawyers dont lie  Hope you are getting a better experience at your current club. You are corrrect - each club has their own issues. Thank you, I truly appreciated your response and for your empathy. We did indeed switch because of the coach we were told we would have. But like I said, we adapted and have made the best of the situation. And for the record, I have one child at UFA, as stated, and yet another one at one of the smaller clubs. Both types of clubs have their pluses and minuses... I'm here on this board because of just how FUBAR the whole soccer landscape has become and I need to gather as much information as possible to make informed decisions with the tryouts looming. So I want to say "thanks" to all of those on here, including you soccermonster, for sharing your experiences, knowledge, and expertise. It's still rather muddy, but at least I feel as though I'm a step ahead of those parents relying on the honestly of the club(s) communications, regardless of whether they are big or small. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 12:40:14 GMT -5
Start a thread on Boys Classic I and have at it......that way, people will only talk about Classic I......preferably Roswell/All-In/Impact/Rush /KSA which will make you happy. I don't have a problem with Big 5 or non-Big 5 clubs. I may be wrong but I believe the forum is called "Georgia Soccer Forum", and not "Whatever georgiasoccer411 wants to talk about".....  |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 12:45:57 GMT -5
Start a thread on Boys Classic I and have at it......that way, people will only talk about Classic I......preferably Roswell/All-In/Impact/Rush /KSA which will make you happy. I don't have a problem with Big 5 or non-Big 5 clubs. I may be wrong but I believe the forum is called "Georgia Soccer Forum", and not "Whatever georgiasoccer411 wants to talk about"..... Lol |
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Post by putmeincoach on May 3, 2018 13:23:51 GMT -5
Isn't the SSA 04 RPL/NPL team really, really good also? From what I have heard they are one of the best in this region. Got beat by RedStar 4-2 and beat by Rush 2-0 To be fair those 2 teams are powerhouse teams, consistently beating ECNL teams and other "top Region 3 teams". The SSA 04G are a good team too, just not same level as those 2. |
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Post by wyona on May 3, 2018 13:38:25 GMT -5
SSA 05 team beat their 04 team. If the 04 team is that good, then the 05 team must be on different level.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 15:06:10 GMT -5
They are. My daughter's team played them and it's the only time I ever recall her team have ZERO chance to be competitive in a game. They lead us 2-0 at half. They kept pouring it on and won 8-0.
I may not be 100% correct but I'm pretty sure they have beaten CF ECNL and they killed 2 more of the ECNL teams here. They gave up ZERO games in the fall Athena A season, went to RPL for spring and gave up 1 goal during the season.
For some of those SSA 05 girls, even going ECNL/DA may be a step down for them:)
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 15:28:05 GMT -5
They are. My daughter's team played them and it's the only time I ever recall her team have ZERO chance to be competitive in a game. They lead us 2-0 at half. They kept pouring it on and won 8-0. I may not be 100% correct but I'm pretty sure they have beaten CF ECNL and they killed 2 more of the ECNL teams here. They gave up ZERO games in the fall Athena A season, went to RPL for spring and gave up 1 goal during the season. For some of those SSA 05 girls, even going ECNL/DA may be a step down for them:) That team will be playing NPL next year so I would think Girls ECNL would be a step up. |
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Post by atlsoccer on May 3, 2018 15:30:54 GMT -5
They were playing DA but regardless their second teams largely SUCK compared to other club’s first teams. Again, at least in Concorde's case, you aren't playing their second team. You are playing their third teams at best. Same with NTH until u15 I believe? |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 15:40:08 GMT -5
They were playing DA but regardless their second teams largely SUCK compared to other club’s first teams. Again, at least in Concorde's case, you aren't playing their second team. You are playing their third teams at best. Same with NTH until u15 I believe? Forgive my obvious ignorance but on the boys side there is not U13 ECNL so this should be Concorde’s second team. Same for NTH. |
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Post by surgesoccer on May 3, 2018 22:05:00 GMT -5
A lot has been said about how the SCCL will be poor competition next year compared to Classic 1. To me it looks like the opposite. This is how I see the different leagues shaking out next year. This is a look at the U13 Boys age group. It seems to be one that has taken some hits in this thread about the supposed poor SCCL competition next year. SRPL PREMIER GSA: Top Ranked GA team but will move to ECNL (2nd place in SRPL) Atlanta Fire: Second Ranked GA team but will move to ECNL (3rd place in SRPL) GA Storm: Premier Division Smyrna: Premier Division FIRST LEVEL SOUTH Interatlanta GA Rush Roswell Steamers If a 5th team gets in likely MOBA **Possibility GA Rush and Roswell could get placed in Premier. If that happens then MOBA gets in First Level South. Longshot KSA to get in. CLASSIC 1 For Fall 2018 (for now assume MOBA and KSA in Classic 1) MOBA: Classic 1 KSA: Classic 1 Athens: Classic 1 Concorde Fire North: Classic 1 Concorde Fire South: Classic 1 Bryant Park Soccer Club: Classic 2 Georgia Express: Classic 2 Allianza: Classic 2 SSA Savannah: Classic 2 Atlanta Fire: Classic 2 YMCA Arsenal Rome: Classic 2 CFA Dalton: Classic 2 CFC Red Star: Classic 2 Alpharetta Ambush: Classic 2 SCCL UFA Norcross Concorde Central (If they drop DA then that team will move to ECNL and this team goes to SCCL) SSA: Classic 1 NASA: Classic 1 GSA: Classic 1 BUSA VHSC CESA Based on these if I'm comparing Classic 1 next year vs SCCL, SCCL will be the more competitive league. GSA is the lowest ranked team in Classic 1, but in the Fall they placed higher than any of the Classic 2 teams moving up to Classic 1. If BUSA, VHSC and CESA are any good then it's a no brainer. Now if GA Rush, Roswell, Steamers were still in Classic 1 next year then there might be an argument. For now classic 1 will be a two team league: MOBA and Athens. KSA is only good if they keep using GA Storm players and I assume that will not continue in the Fall. Once again this is only u13 (u14 next year) boys. If you want to see how promotion works in SRPL, go to: www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/6/2017-18_league_format_v5-1.pdf |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 23:56:12 GMT -5
SSA has said their 1st team will play NPL and not SCCL
NTH team will need to move to ECNL
GSA team looks like it will be relegated to Classic II
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 23:57:32 GMT -5
But I agree with your overall assessment that SCCL and Classic I will be similar level
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Post by surgesoccer on May 4, 2018 6:31:30 GMT -5
At u13 Boys Classic 1 and SCCL won't be similar. SSA, NTH and GSA will be the least competitive teams in SCCL even if their current Classic 1 teams play SCCL. So if its their next team instead, these would still be the bottom three likely. What makes it more competitive will be that you play each team twice (verses only 1 time per season in Classic 1) which doubles the effect of your competitive teams.
SCCL will have UFA, Concorde, BUSA, VHSC, and CESA playing each other twice, while Classic 1 will only have MOBA and Athens playing once.
Classic 1 has in effect become Classic 2 for 2018-2019 season. At least for u13 boys.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 4, 2018 7:51:59 GMT -5
I apologize but I don’t completely follow your logic. I don’t disagree with you that the impact of Big 5 out will draw down overall level of Classic I but I don’t think your assessment of SCCL levels is correct.
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SSA - their 1st team is in DA, 2nd team is going to play NPL, their 3rd team is in Classic III near the bottom and that is the team that will be placed in SCCL. The outlying SSA locations like Savannah will not be allowed to play SCCL.
NTH - Their 1st is DA, the 2nd team that’s in Classic I will move to ECNL, and their 3rd team is near the bottom of Classic III and that team will play SCCL
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 4, 2018 8:18:18 GMT -5
Let’s look at those Alabama teams:
BUSA: Has (3) U13 teams. The first team will play ECNL and the second team is an average Alabama state league team.
Vestavia: This depends on which team they decide to put into SCCL
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 4, 2018 8:29:09 GMT -5
Don't let anyone fool you, the champions league will be trash. My kid will be trying out ECNL big club and NL small club
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 4, 2018 8:32:09 GMT -5
Don't let anyone fool you, the champions league will be trash. My kid will be trying out ECNL big club and NL small club Trash, might be harsh --- only time will tell. But playing the same teams over and over and over and over, gets boring quick, very quick. I can tell you this from experience. And if the quality isn't there and there a mismatches, its even worse. That's the bigger issue, is just making sure "all" the teams are of the same quality, that's the goal of DA to RPL to Classic 9, but we know its not a perfect system. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 4, 2018 8:40:32 GMT -5
Don't let anyone fool you, the champions league will be trash. My kid will be trying out ECNL big club and NL small club Trash, might be harsh --- only time will tell. But playing the same teams over and over and over and over, gets boring quick, very quick. I can tell you this from experience. And if the quality isn't there and there a mismatches, its even worse. That's the bigger issue, is just making sure "all" the teams are of the same quality, that's the goal of DA to RPL to Classic 9, but we know its not a perfect system. I don’t see a way for them to properly match up quality. This concept of each club putting in one team per age group is going to create some incredibly bad mismatches. If it was all of their first teams it would work, aka ECNL model. If it was all of their second teams it might be plausible. But for many of these clubs it’s their third team and their 3rd team levels vary wildly. while CESA has depth of quality, the Alabama clubs will struggle. Some teams are going to get smashed repeatedly and they will get the luxury of that experience on both home and away fixtures. Some teams will be bored out of their mind because the level of competition will be so far below the standard they normally play. |
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on May 4, 2018 9:16:28 GMT -5
SSA has said their 1st team will play NPL and not SCCL NTH team will need to move to ECNL GSA team looks like it will be relegated to Classic II Both Augusta Arsenal and GSA have 06 teams playing up in Select -Cliv in fall and cliii in spring. Where do they fit in all of this? |
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Post by atv on May 4, 2018 9:26:16 GMT -5
SSA has said their 1st team will play NPL and not SCCL NTH team will need to move to ECNL GSA team looks like it will be relegated to Classic II Both Augusta Arsenal and GSA have 06 teams playing up in Select -Cliv in fall and cliii in spring. Where do they fit in all of this? My understanding is the GSA 06 team playing up in Classic III this year will play U13 ECNL next season. |
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Post by surgesoccer on May 4, 2018 9:55:56 GMT -5
This is specifically in regards to boys u13. I have no clue how the other age groups play out, and definitely no insight on the girls side.
The original comparison is Classic 1 vs SCCL next year and which would be more competitive. As of right now it looks like only 3 competitive teams from Classic 1 will return, so in essence Classic 1 for u14 boys next year will be made up of primarily Classic 2 teams.
I have yet to see a definitive list of which teams will play NPL and which will play SCCL posted online. I do know at UFA, Norcross will do SCCL and Fowler will play NPL.
The only real difference between NPL and SCCL (Premier League) is the amount of travel that will be required. If you look at the teams in NPL next year they will have 3 in Raleigh area (5.5 hours), 1 in Charleston (Mt Pleasant) (5 hours), 3 around Charlotte (3 hours), 1 in Knoxville (4 hours), 1 in Chattanooga (2 hours), and 3 in Atlanta.
Teams in SCCL will have 5 in Atlanta, 2 in Birmingham (2 hours) and one in Greenville/Spartenburg (2.5 hours).
I live an equal distance to Norcross and Fowler so could choose to go either way, but will choose SCCL simply because I prefer less travel over more.
I also like that in SCCL you will play each team twice during the season.
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Post by petrcechitout on May 4, 2018 10:47:33 GMT -5
Boys and Girls are very different based on the same league levels, so would it look like the below?
Thoughts?
(Big 5 Girls Clubs)
1st Team DA
2nd Team ECNL
3rd Team SCCL
4th Team Athena
(Smaller Girls Clubs)
1st Team ECNL or NL
2nd Team RPL
3rd Team Athena
4th Team ?
(Big 5 Boys Clubs)
1st Team DA
2nd Team ECNL
3rd Team SCCL
4th Team Classic?
(Smaller Boys Clubs)
1st Team NL
2nd Team ECNL
3rd Team Classic
4th Team ?
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 4, 2018 11:02:51 GMT -5
Boys and Girls are very different based on the same league levels, so would it look like the below? Thoughts? Big 5 Girls Clubs) (Smaller Girls Clubs) 1st Team DA 1st Team ECNL or NL 2nd Team ECNL 2nd Team RPL 3rd Team SCCL 3rd Team Athena 4th Team Athena 4th Team  Thoughts? Big 5 Girls Clubs) (Smaller Girls Clubs) 1st Team DA 1st Team NL 2nd Team ECNL 2nd Team ECNL 3rd Team SCCL 3rd Team Classic 4th Team Classic 4th Team Keep in mind that RPL has been replaced by NL. There’s three level of NL. Clubs can participate in multiple conference but I was told that we will be in the Piedmont conference with NC and SC teams |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 11:13:27 GMT -5
They are also switching the Birmingham area into the Piedmont Conference. All games played between the Alabama /GA teams vs the NC teams will be played in Greenville at CESA to reduce travel.
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Post by dad on May 4, 2018 12:03:01 GMT -5
A lot has been said about how the SCCL will be poor competition next year compared to Classic 1. To me it looks like the opposite. This is how I see the different leagues shaking out next year. This is a look at the U13 Boys age group. It seems to be one that has taken some hits in this thread about the supposed poor SCCL competition next year. SRPL PREMIER GSA: Top Ranked GA team but will move to ECNL (2nd place in SRPL) Atlanta Fire: Second Ranked GA team but will move to ECNL (3rd place in SRPL) GA Storm: Premier Division Smyrna: Premier Division FIRST LEVEL SOUTH Interatlanta GA Rush Roswell Steamers If a 5th team gets in likely MOBA **Possibility GA Rush and Roswell could get placed in Premier. If that happens then MOBA gets in First Level South. Longshot KSA to get in. CLASSIC 1 For Fall 2018 (for now assume MOBA and KSA in Classic 1) MOBA: Classic 1 KSA: Classic 1 Athens: Classic 1 Concorde Fire North: Classic 1 Concorde Fire South: Classic 1 Bryant Park Soccer Club: Classic 2 Georgia Express: Classic 2 Allianza: Classic 2 SSA Savannah: Classic 2 Atlanta Fire: Classic 2 YMCA Arsenal Rome: Classic 2 CFA Dalton: Classic 2 CFC Red Star: Classic 2 Alpharetta Ambush: Classic 2 SCCL UFA Norcross Concorde Central (If they drop DA then that team will move to ECNL and this team goes to SCCL) SSA: Classic 1 NASA: Classic 1 GSA: Classic 1 BUSA VHSC CESA Based on these if I'm comparing Classic 1 next year vs SCCL, SCCL will be the more competitive league. GSA is the lowest ranked team in Classic 1, but in the Fall they placed higher than any of the Classic 2 teams moving up to Classic 1. If BUSA, VHSC and CESA are any good then it's a no brainer. Now if GA Rush, Roswell, Steamers were still in Classic 1 next year then there might be an argument. For now classic 1 will be a two team league: MOBA and Athens. KSA is only good if they keep using GA Storm players and I assume that will not continue in the Fall. Once again this is only u13 (u14 next year) boys. If you want to see how promotion works in SRPL, go to: www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/6/2017-18_league_format_v5-1.pdf |
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Post by dad on May 4, 2018 12:04:42 GMT -5
So are you saying that SRPL is higher than ECNL? Interesting.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 4, 2018 12:11:30 GMT -5
So are you saying that SRPL is higher than ECNL? Interesting. NO, but SRPL (now NL) is now clearly above SCCL(Champions) |
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Post by sharks82 on May 4, 2018 12:28:20 GMT -5
I think that you could consider the top RPL (now NL) on a very similar level to ECNL. Our friends on Tophat u15 ECNL went to a tournament recently against RPL teams, losing 2 and drawing one: home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=59823&GroupID=633826Tophat u15 ECNL team is a top 4 team in their ECNL bracket as well. Results like these tell me that the level is not all that different |
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Hope you are getting a better experience at your current club. You are corrrect - each club has their own issues. 
