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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2018 11:25:17 GMT -5
AFU is NOT kicked out of GA Soccer and the NL..................don't know where you get this information. AFU actually has a waiver to keep ECNL and be in Ga Soccer The initial post about all of the above being "kicked out" was a bit of an attention grab. None of the clubs are "kicked out" of Georgia Soccer. He was stirring the panic with that statement. As we all know now it is only NL/RPL that those clubs are supposedly being excluded from (exception to AFU). That is what they asked for anyway so not a big story. However the thread has morphed into information session regarding nearly all changes that affect everyone except DA and ECNL directly. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2018 11:27:24 GMT -5
1. CF is making theier decision on ECNL or DA today. They cannot keep both. 2. Iggy is not running SCCL- he is leaving coaching to spend time with his family 3. The coaches leaving and taking their teams with them.......................there will be one club allowed to keep ECNL as well as stay in Ga Soccer...................AFU. I'll let y'all connect the dots on where players and coaches aginst the SCCL will go....................... As for this information...interesting. However the waiver for all ECNL, super Y is for one year. Do you have any proof that AFU will be allowed to be in NL/ RPL (Piedmont league) after the 18/19 season? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:38:30 GMT -5
AFU is NOT kicked out of GA Soccer and the NL..................don't know where you get this information. AFU actually has a waiver to keep ECNL and be in Ga Soccer The initial post about all of the above being "kicked out" was a bit of an attention grab. None of the clubs are "kicked out" of Georgia Soccer. He was stirring the panic with that statement. As we all know now it is only NL/RPL that those clubs are supposedly being excluded from (exception to AFU). That is what they asked for anyway so not a big story. However the thread has morphed into information session regarding nearly all changes that affect everyone except DA and ECNL directly. This stuff is fun:)  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:41:38 GMT -5
1. CF is making theier decision on ECNL or DA today. They cannot keep both. 2. Iggy is not running SCCL- he is leaving coaching to spend time with his family 3. The coaches leaving and taking their teams with them.......................there will be one club allowed to keep ECNL as well as stay in Ga Soccer...................AFU. I'll let y'all connect the dots on where players and coaches aginst the SCCL will go....................... As for this information...interesting. However the waiver for all ECNL, super Y is for one year. Do you have any proof that AFU will be allowed to be in NL/ RPL (Piedmont league) after the 18/19 season? Yes, but if I gave that piece of information, it would be obvious where it came from and I would be known by a certain club and coach |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2018 13:29:16 GMT -5
[quote timestamp="1525105644" source="/post/21297/thread" author=" oraclesfriend Yes, but if I gave that piece of information, it would be obvious where it came from and I would be known by a certain club and coach [/quote] Ok. Well I think this is all too much in flux for anyone to know what is going to happen even further in the future. We are all just along for the ride. No one (at least not a DOC or other higher up) would have expected the continual shifts that happen in the youth soccer landscape over the last 2-3 years. It is a mess. I have nothing against AFU or any other club except perhaps the one we were in before our current one. I hope the clubs get what they want out of all this but more importantly, I hope the kids get to play soccer at a level appropriate for them and that they learn and have fun!! This posturing makes my head spin |
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Post by atlsoccer on Apr 30, 2018 13:52:07 GMT -5
1. CF is making theier decision on ECNL or DA today. They cannot keep both. 2. Iggy is not running SCCL- he is leaving coaching to spend time with his family 3. The coaches leaving and taking their teams with them.......................there will be one club allowed to keep ECNL as well as stay in Ga Soccer...................AFU. I'll let y'all connect the dots on where players and coaches aginst the SCCL will go....................... As for this information...interesting. However the waiver for all ECNL, super Y is for one year. Do you have any proof that AFU will be allowed to be in NL/ RPL (Piedmont league) after the 18/19 season? I have heard from several people about a Super Y waiver for next year, but not ECNL? IF there is an ECNL waiver will there be something similar for NPL? I don't see how Georgia Soccer could grant a waiver for AFU's ECNL program and not other club's (not in the big 5) Super Y or NPL? |
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Post by infoguy on Apr 30, 2018 14:11:37 GMT -5
1. CF is making theier decision on ECNL or DA today. They cannot keep both. 2. Iggy is not running SCCL- he is leaving coaching to spend time with his family 3. The coaches leaving and taking their teams with them.......................there will be one club allowed to keep ECNL as well as stay in Ga Soccer...................AFU. I'll let y'all connect the dots on where players and coaches aginst the SCCL will go....................... Funny, thought discussion about having to choose between ECNL and DA was over - I.e., CF can keep both. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2018 14:17:42 GMT -5
As for this information...interesting. However the waiver for all ECNL, super Y is for one year. Do you have any proof that AFU will be allowed to be in NL/ RPL (Piedmont league) after the 18/19 season? I have heard from several people about a Super Y waiver for next year, but not ECNL? IF there is an ECNL waiver will there be something similar for NPL? I don't see how Georgia Soccer could grant a waiver for AFU's ECNL program and not other club's (not in the big 5) Super Y or NPL? Agreed. That seems super unfair. AFC Lightning would get screwed as they have NPL and Super Y and they are not in big 5 and they have teams in RPL. I am sure there are other clubs like that too, but they were the first to come to mind. I don't believe that 2018-2019 they would exclude teams like that...super Y or NPL. The domino effect would be too unpredictable. I think EVENTUALLY cooler heads will prevail and NPL for this year (outside of big 5) will be allowed in. However, life isn't always fair and some clubs have more clout than others. I just hope all of these kids don't get screwed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 14:45:39 GMT -5
1. CF is making theier decision on ECNL or DA today. They cannot keep both. 2. Iggy is not running SCCL- he is leaving coaching to spend time with his family 3. The coaches leaving and taking their teams with them.......................there will be one club allowed to keep ECNL as well as stay in Ga Soccer...................AFU. I'll let y'all connect the dots on where players and coaches aginst the SCCL will go....................... Funny, thought discussion about having to choose between ECNL and DA was over - I.e., CF can keep both. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 14:45:55 GMT -5
No. They are choosing today.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 30, 2018 15:50:33 GMT -5
Well based on Georgia Soccer' s new statement this will be the last year this can happen since no club will be allowed to play in State Cup if their club participates in ECNL or NPL (or SCCL). I agree though that it is unfair to those kids on the team that have played together and worked together all season. That is not what the new rules says. They can still play in State Cup, they just can't play in RPL/NL I'm still trying to get the full picture, so please help me clarify: 1. The big 5 can and will still play Athena/Classic with their teams that are not DA/ECNL/NPL/SCCL 2. Those same Athena/Classic teams can play in State Cup 3. If they win State Cup, they will not be promoted because they can't play RPL Are any or all those statements correct? |
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Post by surgesoccer on Apr 30, 2018 16:18:21 GMT -5
Yes, No, maybe.
They all seem true based on statements made in this thread but as things change daily who knows. Hopefully more will be clear after tonight's UFA meeting. And if other clubs are having similar meetings tonight.
If you're not in the Big 5 there really is no reason to be upset, worry, or whatever about big 5 changes. Don't see how it affects you. If you are in the big 5, then you have roughly 30 days to figure out the landscape and make a decision. Everything said before now is just a bunch of guesses.
Youth soccer is in turmoil because US Soccer is not setting a clear direction. And because US Youth and US Club are battling it out. Your child is the least of their concerns, hence decisions without regard to impact.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 30, 2018 17:29:30 GMT -5
That is not what the new rules says. They can still play in State Cup, they just can't play in RPL/NL I'm still trying to get the full picture, so please help me clarify: 1. The big 5 can and will still play Athena/Classic with their teams that are not DA/ECNL/NPL/SCCL 2. Those same Athena/Classic teams can play in State Cup 3. If they win State Cup, they will not be promoted because they can't play RPL Are any or all those statements correct? As it stands right now, all your statements are correct. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 30, 2018 17:33:31 GMT -5
1. CF is making theier decision on ECNL or DA today. They cannot keep both. 2. Iggy is not running SCCL- he is leaving coaching to spend time with his family 3. The coaches leaving and taking their teams with them.......................there will be one club allowed to keep ECNL as well as stay in Ga Soccer...................AFU. I'll let y'all connect the dots on where players and coaches aginst the SCCL will go....................... 1. That would suck for them being so close to tryouts. I have heard reasoning behind why they would choose one or the other and its not an easy decision. 2. Iggy is not coaching SCCL because he is coaching GDA 3. Even if TH and CF both loose ECNL, AFU will not be the only one in town. You forget about GSA |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 30, 2018 17:54:23 GMT -5
As for this information...interesting. However the waiver for all ECNL, super Y is for one year. Do you have any proof that AFU will be allowed to be in NL/ RPL (Piedmont league) after the 18/19 season? I have heard from several people about a Super Y waiver for next year, but not ECNL? IF there is an ECNL waiver will there be something similar for NPL? I don't see how Georgia Soccer could grant a waiver for AFU's ECNL program and not other club's (not in the big 5) Super Y or NPL? I haven't heard anything about an ECNL waiver, only of the Super Y one, but I could be wrong. The only reason that Super Y waiver was given was because some of the clubs leading this already announced Super Y for this summer and didn't want to lose their money. Don't believe for one second that it was for the kids, it was about $$ |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 30, 2018 18:06:52 GMT -5
Here’s the latest:
1. BIg 5 are moving forward with SCCL
2. Big 5 will no longer have access to US Youth Soccer National League & RPL
3. AFU can sign a contract to drop ECNL in exchange for access to National League & RPL
4. All clubs will still play Athena & Classic divisions
Summary: Parents have a choice between clubs that offer US Club’s SCCL and Georgia Soccer’s National League. After a year, we can reconvene to see which League gets higher marks from parents in terms of quality of competition, organization and promotion opportunities.
It is refreshing to know that both leagues will compete very hard to offer parents and players the best overall experience. This is the first time we have seen more of the balance of power switching from clubs to soccer parents.
Exciting times!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 18:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 30, 2018 18:29:30 GMT -5
Here’s the latest: 1. BIg 5 are moving forward with SCCL 2. Big 5 will no longer have access to US Youth Soccer National League & RPL 3. AFU can sign a contract to drop ECNL in exchange for access to National League & RPL 4. All clubs will still play Athena & Classic divisions Summary: Parents have a choice between clubs that offer US Club’s SCCL and Georgia Soccer’s National League. After a year, we can reconvene to see which League gets higher marks from parents in terms of quality of competition, organization and promotion opportunities. It is refreshing to know that both leagues will compete very hard to offer parents and players the best overall experience. This is the first time we have seen more of the balance of power switching from clubs to soccer parents. Exciting times! Any news from the CF and UFA coach’s meetings? CF choosing DA or ECNL or both? |
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Post by neymarscleats on Apr 30, 2018 18:45:57 GMT -5
I don't understand why AFU is a moving part in this mess. Given item number 3 above, can someone explain why they would sign a contract to drop ECNL and why they wouldn't to offer perspective? Why AFU and not GSA? Because GSA is Big 5? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 18:52:20 GMT -5
Because AFU will still be allowed to keep ECNL AND stay in NL/RPL
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 30, 2018 18:54:45 GMT -5
I have tried to stay out of the confusion the Champions League has riled up, but neymarscleats I have to agree wit you. Yes they started the conversation, yes the other clubs couldn't deal with all their issues and needs, but that still doesn't mean you drop ECNL. Now that would be criminal on the AFU leadership if they fell for that foolishness. |
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Post by neymarscleats on Apr 30, 2018 18:54:54 GMT -5
Because AFU will still be allowed to keep ECNL AND stay in NL/RPL Thanks for the reply bigdawg but the item stated they would sign a contract to drop it in order to retain NL/RPL. You are saying they will be allowed to keep both. Sorry for misreading and appreciate the clarification |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 30, 2018 19:08:47 GMT -5
1. CF is making theier decision on ECNL or DA today. They cannot keep both. 2. Iggy is not running SCCL- he is leaving coaching to spend time with his family 3. The coaches leaving and taking their teams with them.......................there will be one club allowed to keep ECNL as well as stay in Ga Soccer...................AFU. I'll let y'all connect the dots on where players and coaches aginst the SCCL will go....................... Curious on where you got your info in regards to #2. As far as I know Iggy is not only coaching but is possibly taking on two GDA teams. Could you possibly be confusing him with DEO. They are twins and many folks tend to mix them up since they look so similar...  |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2018 19:10:30 GMT -5
I have tried to stay out of the confusion the Champions League has riled up, but neymarscleats I have to agree wit you. Yes they started the conversation, yes the other clubs couldn't deal with all their issues and needs, but that still doesn't mean you drop ECNL. Now that would be criminal on the AFU leadership if they fell for that foolishness. Agreed. We have established that RPL is disorganized according to those who have had kids play in it. The general opinion out there is ECNL is better competition than RPL. That would be silly to drop it voluntarily |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 30, 2018 19:14:16 GMT -5
Agreed. That seems super unfair. AFC Lightning would get screwed as they have NPL and Super Y and they are not in big 5 and they have teams in RPL. I am sure there are other clubs like that too, but they were the first to come to mind. I don't believe that 2018-2019 they would exclude teams like that...super Y or NPL. The domino effect would be too unpredictable. I think EVENTUALLY cooler heads will prevail and NPL for this year (outside of big 5) will be allowed in. However, life isn't always fair and some clubs have more clout than others. I just hope all of these kids don't get screwed. I have thought about what AFC would do through all of these discussions. Honestly, I won't miss driving down to the south-side of Atlanta for a meaningless game but what will they do? The boys are okay since they at least have DA through U14. Next to AFU, they are the biggest losers in all of this. Let's also not forget MOBA chomping at their heels down in P'Tree City. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 30, 2018 19:16:39 GMT -5
1. CF is making theier decision on ECNL or DA today. They cannot keep both. 2. Iggy is not running SCCL- he is leaving coaching to spend time with his family 3. The coaches leaving and taking their teams with them.......................there will be one club allowed to keep ECNL as well as stay in Ga Soccer...................AFU. I'll let y'all connect the dots on where players and coaches aginst the SCCL will go....................... Curious on where you got your info in regards to #2. As far as I know Iggy is not only coaching but is possibly taking on two GDA teams. Could you possibly be confusing him with DEO. They are twins and many folks tend to mix them up since they look so similar... You just made me chuckle out loud. Iggy is only coaching one GDA team the 02/03 |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2018 19:22:12 GMT -5
Agreed. That seems super unfair. AFC Lightning would get screwed as they have NPL and Super Y and they are not in big 5 and they have teams in RPL. I am sure there are other clubs like that too, but they were the first to come to mind. I don't believe that 2018-2019 they would exclude teams like that...super Y or NPL. The domino effect would be too unpredictable. I think EVENTUALLY cooler heads will prevail and NPL for this year (outside of big 5) will be allowed in. However, life isn't always fair and some clubs have more clout than others. I just hope all of these kids don't get screwed. I have thought about what AFC would do through all of these discussions. Honestly, I won't miss driving down to the south-side of Atlanta for a meaningless game but what will they do? The boys are okay since they at least have DA through U14. Next to AFU, they are the biggest losers in all of this. Let's also not forget MOBA chomping at their heels down in P'Tree City. Yeah. Their 05 girls team is pretty good and they will likely get into RPL especially with UFA, Tophat and possibly SSA dropping out. They seem to have a lot to lose either way. Moba seems to be up and coming. Totally won't miss the drive to south Atlanta. I feel like there are a few "in between" clubs that could be losing out with this chaos |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2018 19:23:49 GMT -5
Curious on where you got your info in regards to #2. As far as I know Iggy is not only coaching but is possibly taking on two GDA teams. Could you possibly be confusing him with DEO. They are twins and many folks tend to mix them up since they look so similar... You just made me chuckle out loud. Iggy is only coaching one GDA team the 02/03 Is that definite? The 02/03 team? |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 30, 2018 19:26:19 GMT -5
You just made me chuckle out loud. Iggy is only coaching one GDA team the 02/03 Is that definite? The 02/03 team? Yes, the 4 GDA coaches/teams have already been decided. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 30, 2018 19:35:28 GMT -5
Here’s the latest: 1. BIg 5 are moving forward with SCCL 2. Big 5 will no longer have access to US Youth Soccer National League & RPL 3. AFU can sign a contract to drop ECNL in exchange for access to National League & RPL 4. All clubs will still play Athena & Classic divisions Summary: Parents have a choice between clubs that offer US Club’s SCCL and Georgia Soccer’s National League. After a year, we can reconvene to see which League gets higher marks from parents in terms of quality of competition, organization and promotion opportunities. It is refreshing to know that both leagues will compete very hard to offer parents and players the best overall experience. This is the first time we have seen more of the balance of power switching from clubs to soccer parents. Exciting times! Any news from the CF and UFA coach’s meetings? CF choosing DA or ECNL or both? Can't speak to which way CF will go, but for UFA, I don't believe anything new will come out of the meeting. I've had to go to those meetings in the past when we both coached. The meeting (done annually just before the May 1st window and start of tryouts season), is usually an opportunity for the leadership to let the coaches know about the new assignments, new goals, new rules etc. This year it happen to fall right smack in the middle of the whole possible Big 5.5 migration out of North American Soccer. The SCCL is going forward. From the texts I'm getting from those in the meeting, SCCL will be run out of the Norcross Location. Those who don't make DA or who are not of DA eligibility age groups but don't want to come all the way down to Norcross I believe will have the option of staying in Forsyth and going with NPL. All locations keep their Premier(top) teams they just play a different league. The biggest news coming out of these meetings will be the coaching assignments. Now the one caveat is I like to double check sources, so I've only heard from one so nothing is 100%. I'll give my info a 75% accuracy rating |
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