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Post by soccergurl on Apr 27, 2018 11:45:53 GMT -5
Could someone or you all share and differentiate the different club divisions with me? Specifically, for some teams I see club xyz blue, red, green. Others I see premier, red, or white and central or north. If you could share the differences and which is better or higher or lower, it would be appreciated. thanks
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Post by throughball on Apr 27, 2018 11:50:00 GMT -5
I believe at UFA they go DA, Premier, Red, Gold, Black, White, and Blue in that order from top team to bottom.
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 27, 2018 11:50:06 GMT -5
Could someone or you all share and differentiate the different club divisions with me? Specifically, for some teams I see club xyz blue, red, green. Others I see premier, red, or white and central or north. If you could share the differences and which is better or higher or lower, it would be appreciated. thanks Concorde : at Academy Black is the top, then white, red, silver TH: platinum, gold, navy, white Ufa : premier, red This is for Academy.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 27, 2018 12:50:34 GMT -5
Could someone or you all share and differentiate the different club divisions with me? Specifically, for some teams I see club xyz blue, red, green. Others I see premier, red, or white and central or north. If you could share the differences and which is better or higher or lower, it would be appreciated. thanks Concorde : at Academy Elite, Black is the 2nd, then Red, White, Silver I, Silver II, then other colors. TH: platinum, gold, navy, white Ufa : premier, red This is for Academy.
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 27, 2018 13:09:14 GMT -5
Concorde : at Academy Elite, Black is the 2nd, then Red, White, Silver I, Silver II, then other colors. TH: platinum, gold, navy, white Ufa : premier, red This is for Academy. Elite starts at U11 or U12 at CF I believe.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 27, 2018 15:31:01 GMT -5
This is a frustrating thing IMO. DA/ECNL is obvious...but below that some clubs use premier, some use elite, some use both, then a bunch of random colors that only make sense within the context of the individual club. More difficult to determine who you're playing at the academy level. At the Select level the teams should have the park/sub club in the name, then A/B/C, etc. Cheers to TH for doing as much.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 27, 2018 16:03:27 GMT -5
This is a frustrating thing IMO. DA/ECNL is obvious...but below that some clubs use premier, some use elite, some use both, then a bunch of random colors that only make sense within the context of the individual club. More difficult to determine who you're playing at the academy level. At the Select level the teams should have the park/sub club in the name, then A/B/C, etc. Cheers to TH for doing as much. Hopefully, the directors at the Academy level are practicing their due diligence and scheduling like-for-like teams. Especially since some the club's "top" teams really only match up against another's "B" or "C" type team. There's a huge disparity at those ages. A common nomenclature among all the clubs would be great. Then parents would always know who their kids' are playing and where their kids' teams stand as well. At all ages/levels.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 18:09:11 GMT -5
This is a frustrating thing IMO. DA/ECNL is obvious...but below that some clubs use premier, some use elite, some use both, then a bunch of random colors that only make sense within the context of the individual club. More difficult to determine who you're playing at the academy level. At the Select level the teams should have the park/sub club in the name, then A/B/C, etc. Cheers to TH for doing as much. All UFA teams say what location they're coming from. If it doesn't, then its Forsyth. As far as everyone having the same names or colors...thats silly. Once you are around this for a year or so you will learn your colors and or/names. UFA used to use country names at some point.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 27, 2018 20:45:09 GMT -5
This is a frustrating thing IMO. DA/ECNL is obvious...but below that some clubs use premier, some use elite, some use both, then a bunch of random colors that only make sense within the context of the individual club. More difficult to determine who you're playing at the academy level. At the Select level the teams should have the park/sub club in the name, then A/B/C, etc. Cheers to TH for doing as much. All UFA teams say what location they're coming from. If it doesn't, then its Forsyth. As far as everyone having the same names or colors...thats silly. Once you are around this for a year or so you will learn your colors and or/names. UFA used to use country names at some point. Correct, once you are around for a bit, you learn - if you pay attention. I still run into parents who don't really know what level their team is or the team they're playing. Most of the people on this forum would be excluded (we're crazy enough to care to get into the minutiae of youth soccer). So the common naming conventions would keep all the parents on the same page w/o needing a Georgia Soccer guide book. ;-)
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 20:50:59 GMT -5
All UFA teams say what location they're coming from. If it doesn't, then its Forsyth. As far as everyone having the same names or colors...thats silly. Once you are around this for a year or so you will learn your colors and or/names. UFA used to use country names at some point. Correct, once you are around for a bit, you learn - if you pay attention. I still run into parents who don't really know what level their team is or the team they're playing. Most of the people on this forum would be excluded (we're crazy enough to care to get into the minutiae of youth soccer). So the common naming conventions would keep all the parents on the same page w/o needing a Georgia Soccer guide book. ;-) All parents on the same page?? Is that even possible? Lol
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 29, 2018 18:42:43 GMT -5
DA is trying to enforce teams with Home game to wear white or light colors and away is dark. Concorde is doing solid white and solid black, maybe to keep in line with this rule. However, we change colors depending on each team. Can’t keep up with Academy team names anymore. Elite/Premier means something different depending where you go.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 29, 2018 19:03:29 GMT -5
DA is trying to enforce teams with Home game to wear white or light colors and away is dark. Concorde is doing solid white and solid black, maybe to keep in line with this rule. However, we change colors depending on each team. Can’t keep up with Academy team names anymore. Elite/Premier means something different depending where you go. She didn't mean uniform colors. She meant team colors lol. For example, Black for CF is top team after DA & ECNL..correct me if I'm wrong. At UFA Black is the 4th team after DA.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 29, 2018 19:08:38 GMT -5
See how confusing it is 😁😂😊
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Post by slick96 on Apr 30, 2018 13:23:58 GMT -5
SSA is:
SSA White: Coweta SSA Blue: Symrna (Main location for SSA) SSA Black: Paulding County SSA Yellow: Northside SSA Gold: Decatur
I think that is pretty much it as far as their locations go. They then further divide it Academy: Elite and Premier then Academy I, Academy II, etc... if it goes past that. Each location does that, so there can be an SSA Blue Elite and an SSA White Elite team.
For Select, I think only the Blue locations go by Elite, premier, etc... The branch locations just go by Select I, Select II etc...
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Post by futbolpadre on Apr 30, 2018 13:28:46 GMT -5
Here is the order for Concorde Fire:
Academy through U12: Black White Red Silver I Silver II
Select - U13 and above: DA (starts at U14 for Girls, and U12 for Boys) ECNL Elite Black White Red Silver I Silver II
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 30, 2018 13:29:29 GMT -5
It was never a question of what the colors are at my child's club, its more so that you can gauge academy competition by the color/standing of one's opponent. Cause the sincsports rankings are largely garbage.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 30, 2018 13:34:10 GMT -5
It was never a question of what the colors are at my child's club, its more so that you can gauge academy competition by the color/standing of one's opponent. Cause the sincsports rankings are largely garbage. Yes you are very correct on that statement!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 30, 2018 13:39:36 GMT -5
It was never a question of what the colors are at my child's club, its more so that you can gauge academy competition by the color/standing of one's opponent. Cause the sincsports rankings are largely garbage. Well I hope that you have that figured out at your own club! At least now there is a listing of SSA, UFA and Concorde at the minimum. Yes the sincsports data is suspect. That is mainly because people don't put in the academy scores. Garbage data in, garbage data out. If people correctly put them in then it would be good data. Regardless, the academy coaches ATTEMPT to schedule appropriate level teams for competition. They are supposed to say what level they think their academy team is A, B, C and so on. Problem is that is very subjective. What I have seen is that the coaches get involved to try to correct scheduling mishaps. If your team is a top team playing a third team and you crush them then in the following season the coach tries to get your team against the second team or top team. Once you have been around for a year or two it becomes pretty obvious. I think the location based colors are harder especially when SSA has a gold and a yellow. I also think it is weird to change what you call your top team once they hit U12. Both Concorde and AFU rename their top teams Elite at that time. Oh well. People figure it out but now there is a little info on the forum to help newbies.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 30, 2018 17:00:49 GMT -5
SSA is: SSA White: Coweta SSA Blue: Symrna (Main location for SSA) SSA Black: Paulding County SSA Yellow: Northside SSA Gold: Decatur I think that is pretty much it as far as their locations go. They then further divide it Academy: Elite and Premier then Academy I, Academy II, etc... if it goes past that. Each location does that, so there can be an SSA Blue Elite and an SSA White Elite team. For Select, I think only the Blue locations go by Elite, premier, etc... The branch locations just go by Select I, Select II etc... Ssa Blue - Cobb / Mudcreek SSA Red - Smyrna SSA Green - Rome/Cartersville I also believe all the “Elite” and “Premier” teams are based out of Cobb and are considered their top teams overall. Each location has their own team which are called “Select” and the color. Ie SSA Northside 04 Select Yellow
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 4, 2018 9:32:49 GMT -5
SSA is: SSA White: Coweta SSA Blue: Symrna (Main location for SSA) SSA Black: Paulding County SSA Yellow: Northside SSA Gold: Decatur I think that is pretty much it as far as their locations go. They then further divide it Academy: Elite and Premier then Academy I, Academy II, etc... if it goes past that. Each location does that, so there can be an SSA Blue Elite and an SSA White Elite team. For Select, I think only the Blue locations go by Elite, premier, etc... The branch locations just go by Select I, Select II etc... Ssa Blue - Cobb / Mudcreek SSA Red - Smyrna SSA Green - Rome/Cartersville I also believe all the “Elite” and “Premier” teams are based out of Cobb and are considered their top teams overall. Each location has their own team which are called “Select” and the color. Ie SSA Northside 04 Select Yellow Thanks for filling in the gaps. I knew I was missing some locations, but I forgot who they were.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 4, 2018 9:37:17 GMT -5
It was never a question of what the colors are at my child's club, its more so that you can gauge academy competition by the color/standing of one's opponent. Cause the sincsports rankings are largely garbage. Well I hope that you have that figured out at your own club! At least now there is a listing of SSA, UFA and Concorde at the minimum. Yes the sincsports data is suspect. That is mainly because people don't put in the academy scores. Garbage data in, garbage data out. If people correctly put them in then it would be good data. Regardless, the academy coaches ATTEMPT to schedule appropriate level teams for competition. They are supposed to say what level they think their academy team is A, B, C and so on. Problem is that is very subjective. What I have seen is that the coaches get involved to try to correct scheduling mishaps. If your team is a top team playing a third team and you crush them then in the following season the coach tries to get your team against the second team or top team. Once you have been around for a year or two it becomes pretty obvious. I think the location based colors are harder especially when SSA has a gold and a yellow. I also think it is weird to change what you call your top team once they hit U12. Both Concorde and AFU rename their top teams Elite at that time. Oh well. People figure it out but now there is a little info on the forum to help newbies. ...
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Post by Keeper on May 4, 2018 10:44:32 GMT -5
Well I hope that you have that figured out at your own club! At least now there is a listing of SSA, UFA and Concorde at the minimum. Yes the sincsports data is suspect. That is mainly because people don't put in the academy scores. Garbage data in, garbage data out. If people correctly put them in then it would be good data. Regardless, the academy coaches ATTEMPT to schedule appropriate level teams for competition. They are supposed to say what level they think their academy team is A, B, C and so on. Problem is that is very subjective. What I have seen is that the coaches get involved to try to correct scheduling mishaps. If your team is a top team playing a third team and you crush them then in the following season the coach tries to get your team against the second team or top team. Once you have been around for a year or two it becomes pretty obvious. I think the location based colors are harder especially when SSA has a gold and a yellow. I also think it is weird to change what you call your top team once they hit U12. Both Concorde and AFU rename their top teams Elite at that time. Oh well. People figure it out but now there is a little info on the forum to help newbies. I for one as a Team Manager of an Academy Team, put all the scores of all our games (not just the tournaments that are auto-filled), so that a Tournament director can get a full picture of how we play. I'm sure that "hurts" our rankings in their system. A lot of the "Top Ranked" teams in Sincsports barely have any games put in at all at least the academy teams I look at. Honestly though, the ranks while they may be off 20-100 ranks sometimes, the color coded (Gold, Silver, Bronze, Red, etc...) competitive levels they put out are pretty accurate I have found in the 4 years of looking at who we play versus their rank. The only issue I have now is that when the age-group change happened, I created a new team for ours, and disbanded the old one, as we were not the same team anymore. A lot of the teams didn't do that. Only issue with that is when you play the clubs that pool players. Those rosters rotate and change so often you never know what team you’re really playing. It could a 3rd team with 1st player subs to help fill out for missing players, or it could be the 1st team missing half their starters because of a Girl Scouts trip.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 4, 2018 11:35:20 GMT -5
Agreed, and some of our games in the past have had some of the lower aged group players play with us for numbers, etc... If that happens, I don't put those scores in, as it isn't the main squad. Luckily for us we only have 15 kids in our age group, and so therefore it is only one team to begin with. If we had more, it would be pooled though. We have been pooled in the past prior to the age change. I like that for the last 2 years we have been just one team though. It has helped strengthened our team for Select next year, providing everyone comes back. The pool system would not have done that as much.
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Post by Keeper on May 4, 2018 12:42:59 GMT -5
Agreed, and some of our games in the past have had some of the lower aged group players play with us for numbers, etc... If that happens, I don't put those scores in, as it isn't the main squad. Luckily for us we only have 15 kids in our age group, and so therefore it is only one team to begin with. If we had more, it would be pooled though. We have been pooled in the past prior to the age change. I like that for the last 2 years we have been just one team though. It has helped strengthened our team for Select next year, providing everyone comes back. The pool system would not have done that as much. So just curious, with 15 players so you play two academy games or one with 6 subs? And when you go to Tournaments with 14 player max on rosters for 9v9 how do you decide who doesn’t go?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 7, 2018 11:15:26 GMT -5
Agreed, and some of our games in the past have had some of the lower aged group players play with us for numbers, etc... If that happens, I don't put those scores in, as it isn't the main squad. Luckily for us we only have 15 kids in our age group, and so therefore it is only one team to begin with. If we had more, it would be pooled though. We have been pooled in the past prior to the age change. I like that for the last 2 years we have been just one team though. It has helped strengthened our team for Select next year, providing everyone comes back. The pool system would not have done that as much. So just curious, with 15 players so you play two academy games or one with 6 subs? And when you go to Tournaments with 14 player max on rosters for 9v9 how do you decide who doesn’t go? We didn't have 15 until Spring after pre-season tourneys. We only had 14, and yes the coach decided not to split the team even though for 9v9 14-15 is a little too much, but he compensated by asking and getting more games a weekend (since this is Academy) so that everyone still got ample playing time, not to mention there were weeks where 1 or 2 kids couldn't make it anyway to certain games. For the tourneys most 9v9 tourneys allow more than 14 kids, at least the ones we signed up for (I think most said 16 to 18), but in reality there are always 1-3 kids that can't make a tourney, so we end up having 12-13 max usually anyway. We are playing 11v11 in the last two tournaments of the year anyway, and most of our games at this point Academy wise are 11v11 now as well till the end of the season, so the 14-15 number is just right now.
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