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Post by guest on May 9, 2018 8:22:08 GMT -5
Did we lose the recent thread about GSA in the SCCL? Not that it matters to anyone, but I know I posted something in it. Maybe we lost it when Ric Flair left the building.
Regardless, we had our team meeting with the DOC and he gave us the rundown. Basically a summary of what was previously posted in the press release. A few good questions from the audience. How does the CL regional cup and national cup work (Regionals vs other states CLs in late June, National Cup after that). What about State Cup (no longer will attend). Roster size, guest players, team to team movement, etc. Since there is only one SCCL team how does it work with the North and South locations (will take the next best 15 players after ECNL regardless of previous location and probably practice out of Rhodes Jordan). Coaches to be announced in the next week.
I was pleased with the communication. I have already made up my mind that SCCL is basically an even swap for R3PL. Even better for us as now we won't have two semi-diluted R3PL teams (one North and one South), just the one combined SCCL team.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 9, 2018 9:00:17 GMT -5
Watched the little video GSA put together. The interesting part is in the last "slide" with the diagram. There is text about SCCL stating:
"This level used to be more 'team based'; now it is 'club based', so we can plan on this each year instead of waiting until mid-July"
There are a couple interesting inferences to this.
1 - The emphasis on club-based rather than team-based infers that its a club entitlement rather than a team/competition merit/earned spot. This goes toward what some have been saying about the big 5 shying away from competition in ClI/AthA with this league.
2 - The notion of "plan on this", as opposed to our teams earning a spot in RPL. This has a ring of budgeting. Also able to "sell" it rather than having to wait and see if their teams earned a promotion spot.
Can't post attachments/images, don't know why...
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Post by atv on May 9, 2018 9:03:38 GMT -5
I agree. Good GSA communication on programs so far, Champions League and ECNL. Facebook/ Twitter video on Champions league I thought was pretty good.
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Post by atv on May 9, 2018 9:26:10 GMT -5
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Post by guest on May 9, 2018 9:32:37 GMT -5
1 - The emphasis on club-based rather than team-based infers that its a club entitlement rather than a team/competition merit/earned spot. This goes toward what some have been saying about the big 5 shying away from competition in ClI/AthA with this league. 2 - The notion of "plan on this", as opposed to our teams earning a spot in RPL. This has a ring of budgeting. Also able to "sell" it rather than having to wait and see if their teams earned a promotion spot. Valid point. But if you really think about how R3PL spots were divvied out, it really wasn't promotion like one might think. According to the R3PL selection rules, if you won or were 2nd in 1st division you were promoted to Premier Division. All other teams were relegated back to the state soccer pools for re-consideration every year. So now you're back into a pool of mid-table R3PL teams and good Athena/Classic teams. Can only imagine the back room wheeling dealing that used to go on to see which club gets the spots. Imagine going to tryouts for a club who last year finished 5th in R3PL 1st div. What did the club post for the team? 'Projected RPL team'. Then what if they don't get it? You find out in August that you'll be playing Athena/Classic? Crap! now I wish I would have tried out somewhere else. Hence the benefit of the 'plan on it' notion. Is this new 'club-based' system going to mean that some teams in some ages on some clubs in SCCL may be worse than their Athena/Classic/RPL counterparts. Probably so. But I think that will be the exception and not the rule. |
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Post by petrcechitout on May 9, 2018 9:42:51 GMT -5
The DA and ECNL Teams are Club based and not Team based, so I would expect SCCL to be looked at the same way.
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Post by surgesoccer on May 9, 2018 10:31:03 GMT -5
Club based makes sense. Which is why UFA is going location based instead.
Now have to see how Concorde, NASA and SSA approach this.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 9, 2018 11:41:47 GMT -5
Watched the little video GSA put together. The interesting part is in the last "slide" with the diagram. There is text about SCCL stating: "This level used to be more 'team based'; now it is 'club based', so we can plan on this each year instead of waiting until mid-July" There are a couple interesting inferences to this. 1 - The emphasis on club-based rather than team-based infers that its a club entitlement rather than a team/competition merit/earned spot. This goes toward what some have been saying about the big 5 shying away from competition in ClI/AthA with this league. 2 - The notion of "plan on this", as opposed to our teams earning a spot in RPL. This has a ring of budgeting. Also able to "sell" it rather than having to wait and see if their teams earned a promotion spot. Can't post attachments/images, don't know why... To me it's kind of a bummer to have a team placed automatically, I love the model of earning your place and the climb up |
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Post by surgesoccer on May 9, 2018 11:58:04 GMT -5
The earning part comes from earning your way into the Region tournament. Then via the tournament to a more national tournament.
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Post by petrcechitout on May 9, 2018 12:07:26 GMT -5
I don't look at it as Club entitlement only because Club based means the Club will select the best Girls/Boys available to play on their SCCL teams the same way they select their DA & ECNL teams today. Team based(usually means practice location/convenience)and it is to reward a Team that plays well together and finishes in the top 1,2,3 of a Flight or division(Athena/Classic)to move up to a more competitive level.
The Question is what will happen to the teams in Athena A/Classic that win their Fall/Spring season?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 9, 2018 15:19:54 GMT -5
Hopefully there is now a top-to-bottom objective approach to the promotion/relegation from state pools to Piedmont and NL. Its not rocket science.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 10, 2018 19:07:09 GMT -5
Am I imagining this or did I see that GSA SCCL will likely be run out of Rhodes Jordan? If so it would make GSA a more interesting opportunity.
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Post by guest on May 10, 2018 20:10:10 GMT -5
Yes, plan is to practice out of RJP. May change if vast majority of team is from one location or another.
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Post by dad on May 10, 2018 20:18:47 GMT -5
I don't look at it as Club entitlement only because Club based means the Club will select the best Girls/Boys available to play on their SCCL teams the same way they select their DA & ECNL teams today. Team based(usually means practice location/convenience)and it is to reward a Team that plays well together and finishes in the top 1,2,3 of a Flight or division(Athena/Classic)to move up to a more competitive level. The Question is what will happen to the teams in Athena A/Classic that win their Fall/Spring season? |
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Post by dad on May 10, 2018 20:19:59 GMT -5
You have a unique way of looking at things. what else do you see?
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 10, 2018 21:05:01 GMT -5
Yes, plan is to practice out of RJP. May change if vast majority of team is from one location or another. Does UFA Lawrenceville still train there as well? |
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Post by petrcechitout on May 10, 2018 21:18:29 GMT -5
You have a unique way of looking at things. what else do you see? I choose to see the glass 🥃 as half full. |
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Post by atv on May 11, 2018 4:30:43 GMT -5
Yes, plan is to practice out of RJP. May change if vast majority of team is from one location or another. Does UFA Lawrenceville still train there as well? Yes on the lower fields. Real low numbers. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 11, 2018 9:00:54 GMT -5
I prefer the GSA model with regards to SCCL. The first 15+ go to the top team ECNL, the next go to SCCL. We practice out of a central location since these are club-wide teams. Simple and makes sense. Others are a lot more convoluted
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 11, 2018 10:57:34 GMT -5
I prefer the GSA model with regards to SCCL. The first 15+ go to the top team ECNL, the next go to SCCL. We practice out of a central location since these are club-wide teams. Simple and makes sense. Others are a lot more convoluted Would make the most sense (to me) if both were to train out of the central location (same should be said for all club's DA/ECNL/SCCL/NPL? merged teams). I don't know how big Rhodes Jordan is, but 2 teams (ECNL/SCCL) out of there and 2 select (premier/red) out of Lilburn and 2 select (premier/red) out of Dacula would seem to make sense. But I don't know how demographically spread out GSA players are in the county. |
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