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Post by rightdeadfred on May 12, 2018 9:32:29 GMT -5
Looks like Elite(1st) teams will compete in NPL and Premier(2nd) teams will be in SCCL. After that, the remaining teams will still play in Georgia soccer.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2018 9:36:54 GMT -5
How do parents feel about that? Are they satisfied?
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Post by rightdeadfred on May 12, 2018 10:43:28 GMT -5
Not sure many parents were happy but it seems like the Big 5 have caused all kinds of problems.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2018 10:48:35 GMT -5
Well there will be a lot of shifting around. Kids moving clubs as usual of course but also if you look at several Athena A and Classic 1 tables there are many clubs that will go out to SCCL/NPL and then those promoted to Piedmont League to fill the slots of those clubs leaving and thus many Athena B and Classic 2 clubs promoted to Athena A and Classic 1 vacancies.
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Post by wyona on May 12, 2018 11:53:32 GMT -5
I just know the 05 girls will be taking 15 DA/ECNL spots should they decide to disperse.
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 12, 2018 12:38:44 GMT -5
Why so sure of that, being on the top club at SSA doesn't necessarily equate to making the top team at NTH, CF, UFA etc?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2018 12:53:53 GMT -5
Why so sure of that, being on the top club at SSA doesn't necessarily equate to making the top team at NTH, CF, UFA etc? That 05 team is really good. They beat Concorde U13 ECNL at Disney and Concorde and Tophat ECNL are 1 and 2 in the southeast division. I am sure most of them could make one of those teams. Maybe not all of them though as there are a lot of high quality players around. You can never be sure as different coaches look for different things as you know, of course. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 12, 2018 13:05:10 GMT -5
The SSA team is very good, but as typical for SSA girls teams they get by with physically mature athletes that play a certain way but typically doesn't translate to success at the higher levels when they get older.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2018 13:37:35 GMT -5
The SSA team is very good, but as typical for SSA girls teams they get by with physically mature athletes that play a certain way but typically doesn't translate to success at the higher levels when they get older. True. No question that team is big. They have two girls taller than my 5'9" frame which is unusual in 12 and 13 year olds. However, while Tophat does not allow for skill to be trumped by size, speed and physicality the other clubs that have ECNL and DA are not always able to figure out that is what is making those players stand out. In fact, a coach I know actually told one of our friends that he was happy with their daughter who plays very aggressively and with a lot of pace because "he didn't care about technical skill because he could teach that. He cannot teach speed and aggression." In his defense she has become a much better technical player over time. |
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Post by atlsoccer on May 12, 2018 18:51:59 GMT -5
The SSA team is very good, but as typical for SSA girls teams they get by with physically mature athletes that play a certain way but typically doesn't translate to success at the higher levels when they get older. True. No question that team is big. They have two girls taller than my 5'9" frame which is unusual in 12 and 13 year olds. However, while Tophat does not allow for skill to be trumped by size, speed and physicality the other clubs that have ECNL and DA are not always able to figure out that is what is making those players stand out. In fact, a coach I know actually told one of our friends that he was happy with their daughter who plays very aggressively and with a lot of pace because "he didn't care about technical skill because he could teach that. He cannot teach speed and aggression." In his defense she has become a much better technical player over time. Let's all remember these are 12 year olds. They have a lot of time to grow and learn techniques, just like others have time to mature physically. There just needs to be a balance... or we could just all bio-band! |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2018 20:16:38 GMT -5
True. No question that team is big. They have two girls taller than my 5'9" frame which is unusual in 12 and 13 year olds. However, while Tophat does not allow for skill to be trumped by size, speed and physicality the other clubs that have ECNL and DA are not always able to figure out that is what is making those players stand out. In fact, a coach I know actually told one of our friends that he was happy with their daughter who plays very aggressively and with a lot of pace because "he didn't care about technical skill because he could teach that. He cannot teach speed and aggression." In his defense she has become a much better technical player over time. Let's all remember these are 12 year olds. They have a lot of time to grow and learn techniques, just like others have time to mature physically. There just needs to be a balance... or we could just all bio-band! Kind of my point with this post. Our friend whose kid matured earlier than others and is naturally aggressive learned a lot of technical skill in her time with the best team. She was selected for her speed, strength and aggression, but she is rounding out her game. That being said the best player I have seen in this age group in the state is a play up who is absolutely tiny but tremoundously skilled. She was selected for a YNT camp. Teams need to have kids that are both because the great skills can be taught to be more aggressive and the aggressive, big kids cam be taught great skills. I think most of those SSA 05 Elite girls would end up on DA and ECNL teams if they wished to go. |
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Post by wyona on May 12, 2018 20:25:28 GMT -5
I’d imagine everyone of them would get on. Out of 7 DA/ECNL teams I think they’d all walk on a team should they choose. UFA pre DA team and the weaker ECNL teams such as GSA and AFU probably have 2/3 players that would get into that SSA team and that’s being quite generous.
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Post by wyona on May 12, 2018 20:26:38 GMT -5
To soccerfans point about there style of play, I think that’s a little harsh. They’ve played some nice soccer whenever I’ve seen them play.
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Post by dad on May 12, 2018 21:34:55 GMT -5
I have never heard a parent from TH think anyone from another club is good enough to play on their top team even after losing.😆😆😆😆😆
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Post by fanatic21 on May 12, 2018 21:39:13 GMT -5
I've seen the SSA 05s play a few times and would would agree with soccerfan. Every time I've seen them they've played extremely direct. Very few passes through the back line and midfield. Almost everything down the flanks to their fast girls and try to get behind the defenders or cross it in. In fact last time I saw them I didn't recall them making more than 2 or 3 passes in a row at any point during the game. They are successful at u13 primarily due to their size and speed. Sure some of them can play, but most aren't anywhere near as technical as the 05 Tophat and Concorde teams. The boom ball style works to win games, but in the long run it won't be good for their development.
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Post by holding on May 13, 2018 5:23:35 GMT -5
I’d imagine everyone of them would get on. Out of 7 DA/ECNL teams I think they’d all walk on a team should they choose. UFA pre DA team and the weaker ECNL teams such as GSA and AFU probably have 2/3 players that would get into that SSA team and that’s being quite generous. GSA, AFU, UFA and SSA all have 3 to 5 kids that fit on any team in the area. I think the last two times UFA and SSA have played it has ended in a 1-0 game. The difference in talent is not that big. The SSA team is a very good team but to say 15 kids can go name their team is pretty rich. The difference at this age is who can finish and there are three teams that are very good up front TH, Concorde and SSA. The others struggle in that aspect of the game currently. The nice thing is that there are 90 plus kids at this age group who are very very good soccer players. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 13, 2018 7:34:29 GMT -5
I’d imagine everyone of them would get on. Out of 7 DA/ECNL teams I think they’d all walk on a team should they choose. UFA pre DA team and the weaker ECNL teams such as GSA and AFU probably have 2/3 players that would get into that SSA team and that’s being quite generous. GSA, AFU, UFA and SSA all have 3 to 5 kids that fit on any team in the area. I think the last two times UFA and SSA have played it has ended in a 1-0 game. The difference in talent is not that big. The SSA team is a very good team but to say 15 kids can go name their team is pretty rich. The difference at this age is who can finish and there are three teams that are very good up front TH, Concorde and SSA. The others struggle in that aspect of the game currently. The nice thing is that there are 90 plus kids at this age group who are very very good soccer players. Dont forget about LSA 05 Gold Girls as well who are currently ranked 3 in the state by SincSports and beat Tophat rpl and My daughters UFA Fowler top team/rpl twice this Past Year |
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Post by t37 on May 13, 2018 8:15:06 GMT -5
I have to DISAGREE with soccerfan and fanatic21... I am a Concorde parent and every time we encounter SSA05 girls they are skilled, very technical, fast and work well together. There is a reason they scored around 70 some goals and allowed ZERO!!!! Their defense is relentless.... they have small defenders (as well as big ones as we know) the small don't take any crap either. This group of girls never argue or yell at each other (unlike most other teams including my daughters at times). If you take any thing away from this group of girls it may show your ignorance to soccer.... and I thought soccer fan and fanatic21 had some soccer knowledge, but now I am thinking differently. Sad thing is... we are probably parents on the same team!  These girls are good period... in all soccer sense! |
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Post by wyona on May 13, 2018 8:28:06 GMT -5
It seems soccerfan has watched every single team in Georgia play....must have got a lot of spare time on his hands. I most certainly didn’t say SSA girls could take there pick of teams, I said they’d all get on an ECNL/DA team if they wanted (one of 7), which is a comment I stand by. If soccerfan were in charge of soccer around the World it would be a very boring sport. There’s nothing at all wrong with having different styles of play, and with teams playing to their strengths. Very narrow minded if you ask me.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 13, 2018 8:38:02 GMT -5
I have to DISAGREE with soccerfan and fanatic21... I am a Concorde parent and every time we encounter SSA05 girls they are skilled, very technical, fast and work well together. There is a reason they scored around 70 some goals and allowed ZERO!!!! Their defense is relentless.... they have small defenders (as well as big ones as we know) the small don't take any crap either. This group of girls never argue or yell at each other (unlike most other teams including my daughters at times). If you take any thing away from this group of girls it may show your ignorance to soccer.... and I thought soccer fan and fanatic21 had some soccer knowledge, but now I am thinking differently. Sad thing is... we are probably parents on the same team! These girls are good period... in all soccer sense! |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 13, 2018 8:41:29 GMT -5
Sorry about my above post. There was a really long blank space in what I was quoting and somehow it did not work correctly when I tried to fix that.
I am not the most gifted with technology
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Post by ihave3girlz on May 13, 2018 9:10:00 GMT -5
I have a daughter on this team. Yes we have some very fast girls up top. Yes the majority of our girls are fairly tall. Yes they are strong and physical. We do have plenty of girls who are technically skilled as well. It takes a combination of all of these things plus excellent coaching to be successful. The team is undeniably very good. But I will tell you all that the number one thing this team has going for it is love. These girls truly love and support each other through thick and thin. I have never been a part of anything like this with my other kids. Never an unkind word spoken to each other only support and kindness. Its remarkable. The parents and kids are like a big family and we all love each other. I know that sounds crazy but in the alphabet soup of soccer (ecnl, da, etc) we are all united in the fact that there are more important things than a label on a team. I know people will comment saying everyone thinks their team will stay together etc.. only time will prove it but these girls and their families are committed to each other and are not going anywhere. It is rare to find a team that is good and has this dynamic.
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Post by infoguy on May 13, 2018 9:12:54 GMT -5
The townhall was good and added a bit of information to what has already been discussed here. For older ages (non-DA age groups), NPL is being “sold” as the top team and on par with ECNL. One thing that does gives credit to that claim is that the NPL division winners will compete with ECNL top teams in the ENPL (I have been posting that a lot in this forum, I know...). The old RPL is gone, but SSA spent time assuring parents that the league will be better run, with better refs - and tents, trainers and Gatorade at all games. Also, 16 games (2 games vs division), and 1 game vs teams in other division. A total of 8 away and 8 home games. 3 of the 16 games is at least part of one NPL showcase, which sounds good to me because as effort is made to have a complete season, the same effort goes to holding a showcase. More information was shared about the NPL PDP program and ID camp. You can read more on the NPL site: www.nationalpremierleagues.com/pdp-and-id2Last thing I’ll share is that many ssa coaches are from the UK, some coaches ex-premier league players and coaches as well, and I bet if they were given a clean slate to start a soccer league, the US Club models are more like what they would do vs USYS. They also mentioned that the club based model offers members more predictability before and during tryouts (vs waiting to hear whether their application to RPL was accepted or not). |
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Post by itsacontactsport on May 13, 2018 9:22:11 GMT -5
I have a daughter on this team. Yes we have some very fast girls up top. Yes the majority of our girls are fairly tall. Yes they are strong and physical. We do have plenty of girls who are technically skilled as well. It takes a combination of all of these things plus excellent coaching to be successful. The team is undeniably very good. But I will tell you all that the number one thing this team has going for it is love. These girls truly love and support each other through thick and thin. I have never been a part of anything like this with my other kids. Never an unkind word spoken to each other only support and kindness. Its remarkable. The parents and kids are like a big family and we all love each other. I know that sounds crazy but in the alphabet soup of soccer (ecnl, da, etc) we are all united in the fact that there are more important things than a label on a team. I know people will comment saying everyone thinks their team will stay together etc.. only time will prove it but these girls and their families are committed to each other and are not going anywhere. It is rare to find a team that is good and has this dynamic. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 13, 2018 9:27:10 GMT -5
Has SSA applied for ECNL for girls or boys?
Did SSA apply for DA for u15+?
Just wondering what there future holds for a club that size. I personally have no issues with them not having either, many clubs don't, and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Post by infoguy on May 13, 2018 9:32:22 GMT -5
Has SSA applied for ECNL for girls or boys? Did SSA apply for DA for u15+? Just wondering what there future holds for a club that size. I personally have no issues with them not having either, many clubs don't, and there is nothing wrong with that. I know that they applied for DA at older ages (boys), but did not get it. Not sure about ECNL - I believe that SSA would prefer the ECNL name recognition, but they seem to be making the best out of NPL now. |
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Post by holding on May 13, 2018 9:32:56 GMT -5
I have a daughter on this team. Yes we have some very fast girls up top. Yes the majority of our girls are fairly tall. Yes they are strong and physical. We do have plenty of girls who are technically skilled as well. It takes a combination of all of these things plus excellent coaching to be successful. The team is undeniably very good. But I will tell you all that the number one thing this team has going for it is love. These girls truly love and support each other through thick and thin. I have never been a part of anything like this with my other kids. Never an unkind word spoken to each other only support and kindness. Its remarkable. The parents and kids are like a big family and we all love each other. I know that sounds crazy but in the alphabet soup of soccer (ecnl, da, etc) we are all united in the fact that there are more important things than a label on a team. I know people will comment saying everyone thinks their team will stay together etc.. only time will prove it but these girls and their families are committed to each other and are not going anywhere. It is rare to find a team that is good and has this dynamic. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 13, 2018 9:41:00 GMT -5
I have a daughter on this team. Yes we have some very fast girls up top. Yes the majority of our girls are fairly tall. Yes they are strong and physical. We do have plenty of girls who are technically skilled as well. It takes a combination of all of these things plus excellent coaching to be successful. The team is undeniably very good. But I will tell you all that the number one thing this team has going for it is love. These girls truly love and support each other through thick and thin. I have never been a part of anything like this with my other kids. Never an unkind word spoken to each other only support and kindness. Its remarkable. The parents and kids are like a big family and we all love each other. I know that sounds crazy but in the alphabet soup of soccer (ecnl, da, etc) we are all united in the fact that there are more important things than a label on a team. I know people will comment saying everyone thinks their team will stay together etc.. only time will prove it but these girls and their families are committed to each other and are not going anywhere. It is rare to find a team that is good and has this dynamic. You and the kids and parents should read the book "What Drives Winning" by Brett Ledbetter. Sounds to me like this team is a role model for his theme which is person>player. His whole point is that if you work on your character you will be a better player, better person, better teammate. There are several high level programs like UNC and UF soccer and numerous other programs and sports (Ledbetter played basketball) that try to follow this model. Months ago there was a post on here that youth soccer is cut throat and kids would rather spit on their teammates than help them and I said that I don't see that with all teams. Some are very connected to each other. It might sound hokey to some but a team that plays for each other is more likely to succeed than one with a lot of in-fighting. I hope this team does stay together because they will have deep, long-lasting friendships that will be even more important than what they do on the soccer field. |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 13, 2018 12:13:04 GMT -5
It seems soccerfan has watched every single team in Georgia play....must have got a lot of spare time on his hands. I most certainly didn’t say SSA girls could take there pick of teams, I said they’d all get on an ECNL/DA team if they wanted (one of 7), which is a comment I stand by. If soccerfan were in charge of soccer around the World it would be a very boring sport. There’s nothing at all wrong with having different styles of play, and with teams playing to their strengths. Very narrow minded if you ask me. Soccerfan is a coach at NTH. He might have coached against that particular team you're speaking about. As a coach he has watched more games than you and I together. You started by saying that any of those girls on your kids' team could have any spot on any DA team, that's your opinion. He is also entitled to his own opinion. Is he right? Are you right? No idea, but I would try to be a little more humble going forward |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 13, 2018 12:33:09 GMT -5
I have a daughter on this team. Yes we have some very fast girls up top. Yes the majority of our girls are fairly tall. Yes they are strong and physical. We do have plenty of girls who are technically skilled as well. It takes a combination of all of these things plus excellent coaching to be successful. The team is undeniably very good. But I will tell you all that the number one thing this team has going for it is love. These girls truly love and support each other through thick and thin. I have never been a part of anything like this with my other kids. Never an unkind word spoken to each other only support and kindness. Its remarkable. The parents and kids are like a big family and we all love each other. I know that sounds crazy but in the alphabet soup of soccer (ecnl, da, etc) we are all united in the fact that there are more important things than a label on a team. I know people will comment saying everyone thinks their team will stay together etc.. only time will prove it but these girls and their families are committed to each other and are not going anywhere. It is rare to find a team that is good and has this dynamic. You're describing a lot of teams at that age. My daughter's team was just like this. And we won State Cup and RPL...and guess what? Kids still left, its going to happen. Just because you wish it so, won't make it happen. It will start with 1, then 2, then 3 and so on. |
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These girls are good period... in all soccer sense!
