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Post by Soccerhouse on May 18, 2018 11:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 18, 2018 11:17:49 GMT -5
I love Rondo!
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 18, 2018 11:43:15 GMT -5
Rondo is great IF your players are confident to carry and advance the ball on their own. Otherwise you're just teaching kids "I just got the ball, CRAP, I need to get rid of it!"
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 18, 2018 13:13:23 GMT -5
Brought to you by the same people that employed Thomas Rongen as a chief scout ,😂
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Post by playsmart88 on May 18, 2018 13:37:35 GMT -5
IMO US courses are light years behind from the way developing talent should be. Rondos are very directional and are more than just “piggy in the middle” it’s also what comes after the rondo that is important. The problem is the way some coaches teach a rondo with no purpose. As soon as the US understands they are behind on so many levels, it will open up doors for players to finally be developed into the players we need on the National team. Don’t get me wrong, there are quite a few coaches that are on the right track but unfortunately there is still an idea that “skills” get the players to a higher level. My favorite is watching kids stand on cones and not having to think for themselves. (Being sarcastic)
It’s about developing players in a cognitive way with the character required to compete. Our coach has done well and seems to be getting some credibility in the area through these teachings. My kid loves rondo and enjoys her coach teaching this way.
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Post by playsmart88 on May 18, 2018 13:40:19 GMT -5
Rondo is great IF your players are confident to carry and advance the ball on their own. Otherwise you're just teaching kids "I just got the ball, CRAP, I need to get rid of it!" I agree, I’ve seen that too. I think some players are being taught to get rid of the ball quick which makes them panic. Comfort on the ball should be part of it as well as having a decision before the ball comes. Most players freak out because they are trying to make a decion when they get the ball rather than before. These are questions my daughter’s coach answered for me as well. |
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Post by mistergrinch on May 18, 2018 16:54:00 GMT -5
It's a great game/training tool.. but it can be overdone.
My daughter had a coach who would regularly spend all 90mins doing rondo.. that's a bit over the top.
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Post by zizou on May 18, 2018 17:17:09 GMT -5
Brought to you by the same people that employed Thomas Rongen as a chief scout ,😂 I tried to give this post multiple thumbs up. If only Messi would have done more directional training at La Masia he could have met Rongen's standard. Darn that Johan Cruyff. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 18, 2018 17:21:36 GMT -5
How does bein still employ that guy.
He’s made a mockery of US soccer.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 18, 2018 17:45:57 GMT -5
It's a great game/training tool.. but it can be overdone. My daughter had a coach who would regularly spend all 90mins doing rondo.. that's a bit over the top. LSA? |
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Post by sharks82 on May 18, 2018 18:01:06 GMT -5
LOL atlfutboldad That’s not all of us I promise 😂😂 but I wouldn’t be one bit surprised! |
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Post by zizou on May 21, 2018 10:45:45 GMT -5
Here is someone who's opinion is actually worth something:
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 24, 2018 9:40:27 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 24, 2018 10:02:13 GMT -5
Interesting article and great points. He is using Rondo to start and then progressing it. 4v1, then 5v2, then 4v2+1 middle player on the 4 side. This is not how some US coaches I have seen use Rondo. The use of Rondo I have seen in the US is a large group of kids against a small group (10v1 or 2). All one touch with no movement of the players with the ball...not even a step to either side. It does seem to make the kids just kick the ball away without thought or attempts at "deception." Like anything I believe it can be useful if used with purpose and thought. I have seen the pros use it even in warm up before matches. I just think so many coaches just use it and think that it will just naturally help the kids without any teaching on their part. They use it as a tool to allow them to be lazy. I am not saying all coaches are this way, but I have seen some do this and also have the kids scrimmage without any input while they sit there and chat with others. They just seem to not want to actually coach, but just set up an activity and sit there with their heads in the clouds or on their phones. |
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Post by rantingsoccerdad on May 24, 2018 14:53:54 GMT -5
I did some unbalanced "directionless" possession drills in practice last night with my rec team.
Also, a couple of people aren't returning my calls today. Coincidence?
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Post by zizou on May 26, 2018 8:34:04 GMT -5
Here is another training-related decision by US Soccer, but one geared specifically at grassroots real honest to goodness early development. See their statement on discontinuing a Tom Byer-like Soccer Starts at Home program, the same type of program that Japan credits with improving their soccer culture. I am sure they have some reasoned technical analysis. Grant Wahl tweet on US Soccer Discontinuing "Soccer Starts at Home"
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 26, 2018 9:09:11 GMT -5
Here is another training-related decision by US Soccer, but one geared specifically at grassroots real honest to goodness early development. See their statement on discontinuing a Tom Byer-like Soccer Starts at Home program, the same type of program that Japan credits with improving their soccer culture. I am sure they have some reasoned technical analysis. Grant Wahl tweet on US Soccer Discontinuing "Soccer Starts at Home"
OMG!! 6 months?!?! What kind of idiot do you have to be to look for significant results after 6 months of trying a program aimed at little kids!?!?! SMH. This sort of project needs to be looked at with 20,000 kids or more (just because of drop out rates and other issues) and follow them to at least puberty preferably through early high school. Then you actually have to use SCIENCE to control for other variables. Btw we use a train at home program for my older daughter and it has improved her technical ability in dribbling, first touch, passing and shooting far more than several years worth of private trainers. This idiotic statement by US Soccer makes me think that the whole thing is run by millenials who think that everything happens immediately! Just as you cannot expect a promotion 6 months after you graduate college, you should not expect measurable results after 6 months of a technical ability program. |
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Post by zizou on May 30, 2018 10:02:14 GMT -5
US Soccer seems to be a dangerous combination of arrogant in a way that blinds them, borderline incompetent, and now disingenuous. Some sort of trifecta:
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 30, 2018 10:13:15 GMT -5
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Post by rantingsoccerdad on May 31, 2018 8:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 31, 2018 21:52:50 GMT -5
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