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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 26, 2018 11:27:30 GMT -5
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Post by zizou on Jun 27, 2018 19:31:14 GMT -5
This is a huge deal. LAFC Slammers are the best performing club in the Southwest conference across all age groups. And there was a not so well kept secret/rumor in Seattle that the Neon SoCal team is also leaving. So two of the best clubs in the strong SoCal market (probably the strongest youth soccer market) may be leaving GDA after one year. Now you start looking at the number of YNT players across all the teams that left GDA after one year and it is a nontrivial proportion of the YNT players.
What is USSF going to do? Still claim they are "the" league? Start excluding players not in the GDA from YNTs? They are getting to the point where they have no leverage and if they took any punitive steps they would look even more feeble (not to mention idiotic and petty). How could the Federation screw this up so badly? And you might say it only has been one year, but when you are the Federation and quality clubs are telling you to pound sand and you can only get mediocre clubs to replace the departing ones (and there is really no comparison between the clubs leaving and the replacements) you are in trouble. This is just not good for youth development on the girls' side. Points out again the at best marginal competence of USSF and how desperately out of touch they are.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 27, 2018 20:48:04 GMT -5
If more quality clubs leave and are not replaced with ones of close to equal quality or better and/or girls DA fails totally it will still be bad for girls development. I am really not sure that anything other than cooperation/ consolidation of girls DA and ECNL will be a success. If girls DA fails completely it would be such an embarrassment for USSF and would just make them look SO BAD on the women's side of the game that I think it could cause lasting harm. That kind of failure and bad press would be awful for the women's side of the game. I think it would also make the girls who play soccer look bad. It would be something like "well boy's DA doesn't have these problems, so it must be the girls that are the problem, not the DA system." I just hope that doesn't happen. As a woman who works in a man's world (job) I can guarantee you it will also be seen as a sign of weakness by the girls that play the game!
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Post by atv on Jun 28, 2018 5:50:20 GMT -5
The challenge is girls ECNL was already being run very well and is a proven platform.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 28, 2018 10:20:04 GMT -5
The challenge is girls ECNL was already being run very well and is a proven platform. No question. Which is why girls DA needs to consolidate with or adjust and beat out ECNL or at a minimum be an equivalent platform otherwise they look stupid. All I am saying is that if girls DA fails, some of the blame from USSF will fall on the girls players themselves. Just my opinion. Not saying that the players should be blamed, just saying they will.
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Post by Soccer Dad on Jul 3, 2018 9:05:02 GMT -5
The challenge is girls ECNL was already being run very well and is a proven platform. USSF ego is massive. Your are right, ECNL was very well run with almost 90% of up coming YNT players on rosters and rules to protect players as well as quality of play. But USSF felt they could build a better mouse trap, and then they started dictating "how" everything would be conducted at the club level. No strong club is going to want to "fit in a box" that USSF designs. When the top clubs like Eclipse, PDA and LAFC start leaving, the quality of Girls DA will drop significantly. I would hate to be a parent of a 14-16 year female athlete today. This whole thing has been a mess.
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Post by DOOM on Jul 3, 2018 9:57:49 GMT -5
If more quality clubs leave and are not replaced with ones of close to equal quality or better and/or girls DA fails totally it will still be bad for girls development. I am really not sure that anything other than cooperation/ consolidation of girls DA and ECNL will be a success. If girls DA fails completely it would be such an embarrassment for USSF and would just make them look SO BAD on the women's side of the game that I think it could cause lasting harm. That kind of failure and bad press would be awful for the women's side of the game. I think it would also make the girls who play soccer look bad. It would be something like "well boy's DA doesn't have these problems, so it must be the girls that are the problem, not the DA system." I just hope that doesn't happen. As a woman who works in a man's world (job) I can guarantee you it will also be seen as a sign of weakness by the girls that play the game! Last time I looked...The USWNT has won 3 World Cups under the Old/ECNL format. How many World Cups have the Men won under the DA format?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 3, 2018 9:59:46 GMT -5
As long as our top young players are playing in the USL vs other options, we ain't winning shizat!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 3, 2018 12:18:44 GMT -5
If more quality clubs leave and are not replaced with ones of close to equal quality or better and/or girls DA fails totally it will still be bad for girls development. I am really not sure that anything other than cooperation/ consolidation of girls DA and ECNL will be a success. If girls DA fails completely it would be such an embarrassment for USSF and would just make them look SO BAD on the women's side of the game that I think it could cause lasting harm. That kind of failure and bad press would be awful for the women's side of the game. I think it would also make the girls who play soccer look bad. It would be something like "well boy's DA doesn't have these problems, so it must be the girls that are the problem, not the DA system." I just hope that doesn't happen. As a woman who works in a man's world (job) I can guarantee you it will also be seen as a sign of weakness by the girls that play the game! Last time I looked...The USWNT has won 3 World Cups under the Old/ECNL format. How many World Cups have the Men won under the DA format? No doubt. I am not saying ECNL wasn't a good platform. I am just saying failure of girls DA will reflect badly on the federation and in the blame game the girls will be blamed by some. It doesn't matter if it is fair. It just is still the way of the world.
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Post by newposter on Jul 3, 2018 12:53:16 GMT -5
Could lead to the demise of boys DA if ECNL has same success. Nothing from this year has been anything but positive from all the comments. The current system is not working. No one watched the Usmnt in world cup. Time to try something new.
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Post by zizou on Jul 3, 2018 23:54:53 GMT -5
ECNL Conference alignment was just published for 2018-2019.
I count 94 teams from 89 separate clubs. Nearly enough to move to pro/rel!
If my counting is accurate 5 clubs got two teams each for this coming season, including Concorde. Concorde named their teams Platinum and Premier. Not as bad as Michigan Hawks naming their teams Hawks and Hawks Black but not as good as Eclipse Select naming their teams Solar and Lunar. The other piece of shocking news is that San Diego Surf is not in the list. I went to their webpage and they prominently display their ECNL logo next to their DA logo, and have ECNL teams listed, coaches and managers listed, and already had tryouts. So I went to the SoCal Forum (they are not nearly as polite as us!) and this does not seem to be an inadvertent omission. Apparently they named the teams and had tryouts knowing ECNL was not a done deal. Or ECNL told them without warning they were out. That seems unlikely, but I am done assuming anything when it comes to youth soccer these days. They were a club with both GDA and ECNL. Same GDA conference that LAFC Slammers just left. SD Surf were not great in ECNL last season (3rd, 5th, 2nd, 8th, 7th) but they were not terrible. A bit better than Concorde in a better conference.
Anyway, tough for those players who thought they were signing up for a league but apparently don't have that option now.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jul 4, 2018 6:41:38 GMT -5
ECNL Conference alignment was just published for 2018-2019. I count 94 teams from 89 separate clubs. Nearly enough to move to pro/rel! If my counting is accurate 5 clubs got two teams each for this coming season, including Concorde. Concorde named their teams Platinum and Premier. Not as bad as Michigan Hawks naming their teams Hawks and Hawks Black but not as good as Eclipse Select naming their teams Solar and Lunar. The other piece of shocking news is that San Diego Surf is not in the list. I went to their webpage and they prominently display their ECNL logo next to their DA logo, and have ECNL teams listed, coaches and managers listed, and already had tryouts. So I went to the SoCal Forum (they are not nearly as polite as us!) and this does not seem to be an inadvertent omission. Apparently they named the teams and had tryouts knowing ECNL was not a done deal. Or ECNL told them without warning they were out. That seems unlikely, but I am done assuming anything when it comes to youth soccer these days. They were a club with both GDA and ECNL. Same GDA conference that LAFC Slammers just left. SD Surf were not great in ECNL last season (3rd, 5th, 2nd, 8th, 7th) but they were not terrible. A bit better than Concorde in a better conference. Anyway, tough for those players who thought they were signing up for a league but apparently don't have that option now. Interesting. Does anyone know how many clubs continue to have both GDA and ECNL?
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Post by zizou on Jul 4, 2018 11:10:58 GMT -5
It is impossible to tell for sure how many have both until USSDA publishes new clubs and teams lists. And also must assume this ECNL 2018-2019 Conference Alignment map is final. As of now, from what I can tell:
Crossfire (WA) SoCal Blues Real Colorado FC Dallas Solar SC NTH Tophat NCFC (technically I think)
Who did I miss?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 5, 2018 9:30:19 GMT -5
It is impossible to tell for sure how many have both until USSDA publishes new clubs and teams lists. And also must assume this ECNL 2018-2019 Conference Alignment map is final. As of now, from what I can tell: Crossfire (WA) SoCal Blues Real Colorado FC Dallas Solar SC NTH Tophat NCFC (technically I think) Who did I miss? Is that really the only ones left with both? I would have thought the list was much deeper than that.
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Post by fridge on Jul 5, 2018 12:25:48 GMT -5
It is impossible to tell for sure how many have both until USSDA publishes new clubs and teams lists. And also must assume this ECNL 2018-2019 Conference Alignment map is final. As of now, from what I can tell: Crossfire (WA) SoCal Blues Real Colorado FC Dallas Solar SC NTH Tophat NCFC (technically I think) Who did I miss? My bet is that it will be ZERO next year. All these teams have lost any leverage they may have had with ECNL--namely ECNL feared an outflux of clubs if they pushed too hard too soon. But with so many top national clubs now opting all-in for ECNL, that leverage has eroded. And, competitors to these clubs will force ECNL on this issue to eliminate the "We have ECNL and DA claimed competitive advantage." Barring any "new" leverage point, they will have to chose DA or ECNL for 19-20 season. Any one think differently?
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Post by rocko1989 on Jul 5, 2018 13:29:00 GMT -5
So with Concorde having two teams, will one clearly be the A team and one clearly be the B team? I imagine this will be across all age groups?
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Post by fridge on Jul 5, 2018 14:44:43 GMT -5
So with Concorde having two teams, will one clearly be the A team and one clearly be the B team? I imagine this will be across all age groups? Yes. Only exception is at u13 and I think u14 where SSA got a team. So, one is a CF "A" team and the other is an SSA "A" team.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 5, 2018 16:10:27 GMT -5
It is impossible to tell for sure how many have both until USSDA publishes new clubs and teams lists. And also must assume this ECNL 2018-2019 Conference Alignment map is final. As of now, from what I can tell: Crossfire (WA) SoCal Blues Real Colorado FC Dallas Solar SC NTH Tophat NCFC (technically I think) Who did I miss? My bet is that it will be ZERO next year. All these teams have lost any leverage they may have had with ECNL--namely ECNL feared an outflux of clubs if they pushed too hard too soon. But with so many top national clubs now opting all-in for ECNL, that leverage has eroded. And, competitors to these clubs will force ECNL on this issue to eliminate the "We have ECNL and DA claimed competitive advantage." Barring any "new" leverage point, they will have to chose DA or ECNL for 19-20 season. Any one think differently? I think it is a bit difficult to predict the landscape for next season. If these remaining clubs keep very competitive teams in ECNL then ECNL may not care and may just leave it alone. It is only 7 clubs if this list is to be believed complete. I don't feel like we can be certain what will happen because so many things seem to come up unexpectedly
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