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Post by greenmonkey on Oct 16, 2018 14:54:06 GMT -5
Two things. When you take TopHat off the top of the board. See my notes below regarding that ... I personally think it is amazing to see the numbers are among the seven clubs across all 7 age groups. Look how close the rest of the 7 teams are and how that speaks to how well the level of play is matched. Equal distribution of W,L and surprisingly, A LOT of DRAWS, Goals For and Against are all within a close range of each other, etc.
| Games Played | WIN | DRAW | LOSS | Goals For | Goals Against | League Points | | NTH | 40 | 34 | 5 | 1 | 139 | 29 | 107 | | CESA | 49 | 19 | 10 | 20 | 70 | 76 | 67 | | BUSA | 47 | 17 | 11 | 18 | 66 | 83 | 62 | | SSA | 48 | 14 | 17 | 17 | 55 | 61 | 59 | | CF | 35 | 16 | 7 | 12 | 71 | 62 | 55 | | VHSC | 48 | 13 | 15 | 20 | 61 | 93 | 54 | | GSA | 48 | 12 | 11 | 25 | 69 | 96 | 47 | | UFA | 42 | 10 | 10 | 22 | 54 | 85 | 40 |
Secondly, as the TopHat numbers are clearly outside of the range of the rest of the 7 clubs, I am not posting this to start a NTH versus the rest of the world discussion. It simply is what it is. Again my focus is on how close the rest of the 7 teams are and how that speaks to how well the level of play is matched. Equal distribution of W,L and surprisingly, A LOT of DRAWS, Goals For and Against are all within a close range of each other, etc.If you need or want my opinion on TopHat as the statistical outlier. In my opinion TopHat is currently an "All-Star" Club in Metro Atlanta. They do such an amazing job with the Little Hatters that when Academy age starts they have the basic game skills and ball/footwork skills to go out and actually play soccer. The top players (or their parents) of every other club they play against see this and over the next years (ages 9-12) more and more top players begin to drive to be a part of the TopHat Teams. As more and more talent arrives, the club gains more and more depth. The sheer number of quality players in the area combined with the quality of the program just keep perpetuating the cycle of being a club players want to be a part of. Their depth is certainly one reason they can dominate "all the way down to the watered down Athena B league" that the non-SCCL naysayers like to allude to. On a side note opinion. I am glad I am not the one that has to figure out how to find quality competitive leagues and games for THAT many girls at that many levels all at one club. GM |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Oct 18, 2018 15:29:11 GMT -5
Tophat is an excellent recruiter, they actually aren't that great with little hatters. Their teams continue to do well as they stockpile players. I've seen it time and time again, they will see a U10 team that they can't beat and recruit their 2 best players. By the time they get to U12 they have recruited 4-6 of the best girls from competing clubs to add to their mix and they are then the superstar team
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Post by greenmonkey on Oct 18, 2018 21:40:42 GMT -5
Tophat is an excellent recruiter, they actually aren't that great with little hatters. Their teams continue to do well as they stockpile players. I've seen it time and time again, they will see a U10 team that they can't beat and recruit their 2 best players. By the time they get to U12 they have recruited 4-6 of the best girls from competing clubs to add to their mix and they are then the superstar team The beauty of this forum versus the other is that we get to respectfully agree to disagree on this. What you call recruiting and stockpiling of players is what I call parents and players deciding to go to tryouts at a club that has demonstrated success. When 125 girls show up at an age group for tryouts that is not recruiting in my opinion that is players (and parents) trying out to see where they stand amongst the talent. But back to my original post ...Regardless of the TopHat Outlier in every age group ... How do the SCCL results and numbers compare with your pre-season expectations? Do you agree that it appears equitable? Do you like what you see so far as a parent? Etc. etc. etc. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Oct 19, 2018 7:14:18 GMT -5
Tophat is an excellent recruiter, they actually aren't that great with little hatters. Their teams continue to do well as they stockpile players. I've seen it time and time again, they will see a U10 team that they can't beat and recruit their 2 best players. By the time they get to U12 they have recruited 4-6 of the best girls from competing clubs to add to their mix and they are then the superstar team In my experience, they are successful recruiters at U12 and above because they do a great job with the younger teams. They do technical development better than anyone and install a consistent style of play that attracts attention. What they don't always have at the young ages are the stud athletes, the outliers from other clubs. By U12, the parents of those studs recognize who has the best game in town and start making the drive to Buckhead. At least that's how we came to Tophat... |
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Post by girlsoccer on Oct 19, 2018 7:16:30 GMT -5
I agree. Taking out Tophat it appears that, to this point, the competition has been pretty even. I believe that was one of the purposes of SCCL- to provide good competition while minimizing travel. It appears that that has worked for almost every club.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 19, 2018 9:57:43 GMT -5
Tophat is an excellent recruiter, they actually aren't that great with little hatters. Their teams continue to do well as they stockpile players. I've seen it time and time again, they will see a U10 team that they can't beat and recruit their 2 best players. By the time they get to U12 they have recruited 4-6 of the best girls from competing clubs to add to their mix and they are then the superstar team In my experience, they are successful recruiters at U12 and above because they do a great job with the younger teams. They do technical development better than anyone and install a consistent style of play that attracts attention. What they don't always have at the young ages are the stud athletes, the outliers from other clubs. By U12, the parents of those studs recognize who has the best game in town and start making the drive to Buckhead. At least that's how we came to Tophat... I agree with this comment. They start with a style of play at young ages that generally is followed (there are occasional outliers coach-wise who will diverge from this plan). This style of play makes their players have good first touch, good speed of play and good decision making. As they get older, more and more girls will take long trips to be a part of this and it helps them get even better. This then improves the depth of Tophat teams. They don't even really need to recruit...their name recognition does it for them. |
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Post by girlcoach on Oct 19, 2018 11:20:10 GMT -5
It doesn't look like the SCCL has been a success for Tophat. They are not getting much competition. Wouldn't they have been better off staying out of this and playing in NL? I think it is clear that the level of play in NL is better than SCCL.
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Post by greenmonkey on Oct 20, 2018 20:05:22 GMT -5
It doesn't look like the SCCL has been a success for Tophat. They are not getting much competition. Wouldn't they have been better off staying out of this and playing in NL? I think it is clear that the level of play in NL is better than SCCL. NL? Is that NPL? And help me understand how it is clear that the level of play in NL is better than SCCL? I Don't think NTH as an entire club needed to stay out of SCCL. To your point if there IS a level of play more competitive than SCCL "inbetween" SCCL and ECNL then yes it would make sense for this years SCCL TopHat teams to move up to that next level of league play and then move their Athena A teams "up into SCCL" There is enough soccer in this town for everyone to find a club and team for every player and a league for every team and club. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 21, 2018 11:01:00 GMT -5
It doesn't look like the SCCL has been a success for Tophat. They are not getting much competition. Wouldn't they have been better off staying out of this and playing in NL? I think it is clear that the level of play in NL is better than SCCL. I think that would have depended on the age group. Also the average goal differential per game is 2.75. That is strong for Tophat but it does show that there are some games that are competitive. Just because they have won all except 6 games (as of the time he posted those stats) does not mean that there weren't competitive games in there. 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 2-0 games are competitive in my mind and are close enough to challenge players and allow them to develop. Also remember that for girls Tophat is sending their third team to SCCL. What was the purpose of SCCL? To play their games with less travel while still providing competitive matches. I think that many players and parents are happier playing games like this than doing Piedmont league games where they are traveling half of their weekends. Even the "home" matches are sometimes 1.5 hrs from the club's home field. And I have seen plenty of 8-0 and 9-1 and 6-0 type scores in Piedmont. Finally, a new league will take a little time to work itself out (attract players to play in it, get the right clubs/teams in it). Btw, my kids do not play in SCCL but I see the appeal. |
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Post by 111aaa on Oct 22, 2018 16:10:30 GMT -5
In my daughter's age group 2003 tophat was at the bottom of srpl. I think they joined the sccl because srpl was too much for their third team at least in th 2003 group. I think they would rather be at the top of sccl than at the bottom of SRPL. Who wants to travel when you get whipped every weekend?
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Post by girlcoach on Oct 22, 2018 18:39:26 GMT -5
Winning is fun but it doesn't do much for development. For that age group, which is the group I know best, here are positions from last year state cup and present.
1. Tophat. 1st SCCL 6-0-1
2. UFA Premier. 9th NPL 1-0-6
3. UFA Norcross. 2nd SCCL 6-0-1
4. SSA Chelsea. 5th NPL 3-1-4
5. AFC Lightning. 6th NPL 3-0-2, 5th NL 6-0-1
6. Interatlanta. 7th NL, 3-3-2
7. Concorde Fire Central. 4th SCCL 3-0-4
8. CFC Red Star, 10th NL 2-1-5
Lanier (didn't play state cup), 11th NL 2-0-5.
My conclusions, from this and other information:
NPL and NL are about even and contain several of the same teams.
SCCL is not as strong as NL and NPL but clearly stronger than Athena A
Future expansion of SCCL would badly impact Athena A
NL has to do something about the travel, to allow some home games. The schedules for NPL are much better than for NL.
There are too many leagues.
For Tophat and UFA Norcross, if your priorities are to win and play close to home (nothing wrong with that choice) then you are in the right league. If your priority is to get better and move up, perhaps NL would have been better.
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Post by soccerfan07 on Oct 22, 2018 18:44:54 GMT -5
In my daughter's age group 2003 tophat was at the bottom of srpl. I think they joined the sccl because srpl was too much for their third team at least in th 2003 group. I think they would rather be at the top of sccl than at the bottom of SRPL. Who wants to travel when you get whipped every weekend? You know because TH teams had the option to “choose” SCCL as opposed to staying in SRPL and getting whipped every weekend? Clubs made that decision, not the teams, and not necessarily the parents (other than disliking schedules in SRPL). That 03 SRPL team was playing almost every other clubs top team, or equivalent ECNL/DA level team but facts aren’t important right? That 03 team won State Cup too...unfortunately once you drop past DA/ECNL teams the levels do drop substantially overall at almost every club but TH with the exception of a bad game here or there. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Oct 26, 2018 13:29:18 GMT -5
You sound frustrated in that tophat gave up playing in a Ecnl/Da quality league for SCCL.
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Post by soccerfan07 on Oct 26, 2018 18:20:22 GMT -5
You sound frustrated in that tophat gave up playing in a Ecnl/Da quality league for SCCL. Nah, I’m frustrated with youth soccer in general. Money is the answer to all problems for youth soccer in GA and probably everywhere else. There’s DA teams that aren’t that good - UFA, there’s ECNL teams that are up and down and now ECNL B teams that are absolute jokes - CF, but they all pay big $ and with little to no guarantee for going anywhere with it other than getting to claim a level of soccer that many parents paid for. SCCL is just another product to make $ Being sold as something it is not. NPL or whatever it’s called now is not any different than SCCL or ECNL B level, stop kidding yourself. |
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Post by greenmonkey on Oct 27, 2018 15:19:26 GMT -5
Soccer fan 07 ... “SCCL is just another product to make $ Being sold as something it is not. NPL or whatever it’s called now is not any different than SCCL or ECNL B level, stop kidding yourself.” Read more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/3516/sccl-girls-club-totals#ixzz5VACNqsraI’m drinking the SCCL koolaid but willing to listen ... how is SCCL being sold for anything it isn’t. Its being sold as a league with competitive games (which I define as equally matched ability teams) the league is sold as limited travel and is still “coached by professional coaches” versus “daddy ball” ... I’m paying a ton LESS than most other sports and my kid plays a sports they love. What am I missing? Who is kidding themselves? Your logic seems flawed. Should everyone who plays DA simply stop playing and stop kidding themselves if they were not selected for the U14 National Team? If we are all kidding ourselves ... what’s the point of youth sports ... What about the teamwork, learning new skills, being physically active, playing a sport you enjoy, being a part of a team, etc? What do you suppose the approx. 850+ girls in SCCL should be doing instead? |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Oct 27, 2018 20:34:18 GMT -5
You’re not following the entire post but I’ll go on. Here’s a few reasons why.
Coaches have been told not to beat other teams by more than 5 because it makes the league look bad. Yes, before you spend time researching scores I know there’s a few that went past it, but coaches HAVE been given that directive.
The cost for SCCCL is the same as academy level teams. Hours that work exactly? The coaching, other than not being “parent coached” isn’t significantly better than academy or athena level from my view. The pyramid is set up so that all the “lower level” teams pay the way for DA/ECNL teams and what I suppose is better coaches.
SCCL was sold as just below ECNL, so yeah ok, if you’re taking about a club with an ECNL B team, but it’s still the same as previous years athena a/srpl, where some may as well treat it as daycare.
I completely agree with you if your kid loves it and you have the time/money, it’s got to be great! Could be your coach is phenomenal and SCCL is just great for you. We never had an issue with SRPL like others seem to have had, but creating this new league that doesn’t really play competitive games through the entire season beyond 1-2 games isn’t my idea of development or value, scrimmaging teams that are 2-3 years younger for practices isn’t development or value, and telling players to adjust play and stop scoring to make the league look competitive is in no way providing development or value. It’s not what was expected o our part. Maybe I was naive in thinking differently when this changed.
It’s also quite frustrating given the past years changes with birth year, club mergers, new leagues, and DA going to mixed birth year, CF losing DA and a 2nd ECNL team...if you can’t see that all these changes didn’t provide value for the kids and their development but rather only more money for the clubs, I don’t know what else to say.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 27, 2018 22:30:30 GMT -5
Soccerfan07 you make some good points, but what I think is one of the biggest problems in youth soccer is that decisions to make changes are made too quickly. For example, when DA was started for girls after only one year a number of clubs left the program due to various reasons. How can one season be used to judge a program? You are doing the same with SCCL. Judging after 1/2 of one season. If you are a parent of the 03 TH SCCL team they have played 8 matches and half of those 8 were 2 goals or less differential. That means half were competitive at least based on scores. Secondly, SRPL was no longer playing most clubs' top teams. By U14 a good percentage of those teams were second teams (and some third...like TH). Look at the current Piedmont League...the North Carolina teams are second teams in general and for NCFC 3rd and even 4th teams I believe. Of course there are some first teams like LSA in the 03 age group...but that isn't really a first team...it is an only team.
The biggest problem is that these leagues have all sprouted up BECAUSE of the parents and kids wanting more guarantees about their kids' playing level. This is driven by the parents' demands of their clubs. While people talk positively about ECNL, it started the slippery slope that we are now on. 3 of the alphabet leagues are run by US Club soccer...ECNL, NPL, SCCL. The whole landscape is a hot mess but the parents created the demand...
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Post by soccerfan07 on Oct 28, 2018 11:13:35 GMT -5
Soccerfan07 you make some good points, but what I think is one of the biggest problems in youth soccer is that decisions to make changes are made too quickly. For example, when DA was started for girls after only one year a number of clubs left the program due to various reasons. How can one season be used to judge a program? You are doing the same with SCCL. Judging after 1/2 of one season. If you are a parent of the 03 TH SCCL team they have played 8 matches and half of those 8 were 2 goals or less differential. That means half were competitive at least based on scores. Secondly, SRPL was no longer playing most clubs' top teams. By U14 a good percentage of those teams were second teams (and some third...like TH). Look at the current Piedmont League...the North Carolina teams are second teams in general and for NCFC 3rd and even 4th teams I believe. Of course there are some first teams like LSA in the 03 age group...but that isn't really a first team...it is an only team. The biggest problem is that these leagues have all sprouted up BECAUSE of the parents and kids wanting more guarantees about their kids' playing level. This is driven by the parents' demands of their clubs. While people talk positively about ECNL, it started the slippery slope that we are now on. 3 of the alphabet leagues are run by US Club soccer...ECNL, NPL, SCCL. The whole landscape is a hot mess but the parents created the demand... Agree with you on decisions being made too quickly and parents creating a lot of the issues. I’d like to pay for what I’m getting and I don’t think SCCL/SRPL/Athena was ever the value of the expense. Playing tougher competition in srpl, because there were several clubs that didn’t have DA/ECNL ended in getting smashed in a lot of games, but where SCCL is supposed to evenly match up, its doesn’t. You can’t look at the goal differential in many of the games because coaches are telling teams to stop shooting and pass more when they’re up 3-0 at half, and then the other team gets 1 or 2 and the game looks much closer than it was. Or in one case specifically, a team just plays bad and gets down early and has to come back. TH and CF 3rd teams aren’t close to each other. UFA Norcross is a good team. The rest of the SCCL teams are not good and would probably be no more than athena B/C in years past. SSA’s 1st team is pretty good but they’re in NPL along with InterAtlanta. Making NPL and SCCL split up too many competitive options but allowed clubs to sell more “top” teams to parents. It’s really frustrating to see things like this because there are plenty of players who could be really good but all the changes, poor coaches, and club management looking for the next $ has made a lot of players less interested or priced them out of the sport. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Oct 28, 2018 15:34:00 GMT -5
I keep hearing that the parents are demanding more leagues. Is this true or are all the leagues being created and marketed by the supply side? I only have my own experience to go by but I have never heard of parents talking about wanting more league options;just wanting leagues being better run. Most parents hardly understand the quality and hierarchy and even names of the different leagues. All they know is that they have to pay lots of money and travel really far past teams that they should be playing. Can we go back to where there are 2 or 3 traveling teams and everyone else plays Athena A B C  |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 28, 2018 17:42:07 GMT -5
I keep hearing that the parents are demanding more leagues. Is this true or are all the leagues being created and marketed by the supply side? I only have my own experience to go by but I have never heard of parents talking about wanting more league options;just wanting leagues being better run. Most parents hardly understand the quality and hierarchy and even names of the different leagues. All they know is that they have to pay lots of money and travel really far past teams that they should be playing. Can we go back to where there are 2 or 3 traveling teams and everyone else plays Athena A B C Parents aren't demanding more leagues. What they are doing is wanting their little Mia or Messi on an "elite" team. They want their kid to be on a really strong team. The problem with the athena system was that clubs cannot promise your kid that they will be on an "A" team because that is out of their hands, but if your kid makes the "DA" or "ECNL" team then you know what you are getting from a league level standpoint. So the clubs and the US Club and USSF know this and are able to make good on this promise. People evaluate players' quality based on what level their team plays. As the kids get older no one (college coach wise) will be coming to watch certain teams because they are not in an "elite" league but will watch those elite teams. This is what drives the changes. As for how things are run...Georgia Soccer and US youth region 3 messed up and made parents and clubs mad with their inefficient and poorly run programs. What I wonder is whether US Club will expand their programs such as SCCL and make promotion and relegation which could solve the issue that soccerfan07 is talking about. I agree that individual game scores don't often reflect the game reality but in aggregate usually they do. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 28, 2018 17:53:19 GMT -5
Soccerfan07 you make some good points, but what I think is one of the biggest problems in youth soccer is that decisions to make changes are made too quickly. For example, when DA was started for girls after only one year a number of clubs left the program due to various reasons. How can one season be used to judge a program? You are doing the same with SCCL. Judging after 1/2 of one season. If you are a parent of the 03 TH SCCL team they have played 8 matches and half of those 8 were 2 goals or less differential. That means half were competitive at least based on scores. Secondly, SRPL was no longer playing most clubs' top teams. By U14 a good percentage of those teams were second teams (and some third...like TH). Look at the current Piedmont League...the North Carolina teams are second teams in general and for NCFC 3rd and even 4th teams I believe. Of course there are some first teams like LSA in the 03 age group...but that isn't really a first team...it is an only team. The biggest problem is that these leagues have all sprouted up BECAUSE of the parents and kids wanting more guarantees about their kids' playing level. This is driven by the parents' demands of their clubs. While people talk positively about ECNL, it started the slippery slope that we are now on. 3 of the alphabet leagues are run by US Club soccer...ECNL, NPL, SCCL. The whole landscape is a hot mess but the parents created the demand... Agree with you on decisions being made too quickly and parents creating a lot of the issues. I’d like to pay for what I’m getting and I don’t think SCCL/SRPL/Athena was ever the value of the expense. Playing tougher competition in srpl, because there were several clubs that didn’t have DA/ECNL ended in getting smashed in a lot of games, but where SCCL is supposed to evenly match up, its doesn’t. You can’t look at the goal differential in many of the games because coaches are telling teams to stop shooting and pass more when they’re up 3-0 at half, and then the other team gets 1 or 2 and the game looks much closer than it was. Or in one case specifically, a team just plays bad and gets down early and has to come back. TH and CF 3rd teams aren’t close to each other. UFA Norcross is a good team. The rest of the SCCL teams are not good and would probably be no more than athena B/C in years past. SSA’s 1st team is pretty good but they’re in NPL along with InterAtlanta. Making NPL and SCCL split up too many competitive options but allowed clubs to sell more “top” teams to parents. It’s really frustrating to see things like this because there are plenty of players who could be really good but all the changes, poor coaches, and club management looking for the next $ has made a lot of players less interested or priced them out of the sport. I don't disagree with you on your points mostly. And I never said CF and TH 3rd teams were the same. TH is deeper than CF in general. I don't think SCCL will match up any more evenly than any other league. There will be outliers. At least with SCCL you aren't traveling to Florida to play CF and beating them 4-0 you are beating them here so it is taking expense away from the process. The problem with SRPL was that the travel was more than a lot of people wanted and the inefficiency of traveling out of state to play their neighbors annoyed people. Plus the level of that was dropping with more people having DA or ECNL nationally and regionally. I am a little confused on your NPL and SCCL split up comment. Locally NPL was an augment league that UFA, AFC and SSA played in prior to this year. Now it has expanded and is the only league for UFA and SSA teams that play in it. NL what the Piedmont Conference is part of and the former SRPL. SCCL is the new league. Are you suggesting that the teams in NPL should be playing in SCCL or vice versa?? |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Oct 28, 2018 19:26:36 GMT -5
Agree with you on decisions being made too quickly and parents creating a lot of the issues. I’d like to pay for what I’m getting and I don’t think SCCL/SRPL/Athena was ever the value of the expense. Playing tougher competition in srpl, because there were several clubs that didn’t have DA/ECNL ended in getting smashed in a lot of games, but where SCCL is supposed to evenly match up, its doesn’t. You can’t look at the goal differential in many of the games because coaches are telling teams to stop shooting and pass more when they’re up 3-0 at half, and then the other team gets 1 or 2 and the game looks much closer than it was. Or in one case specifically, a team just plays bad and gets down early and has to come back. TH and CF 3rd teams aren’t close to each other. UFA Norcross is a good team. The rest of the SCCL teams are not good and would probably be no more than athena B/C in years past. SSA’s 1st team is pretty good but they’re in NPL along with InterAtlanta. Making NPL and SCCL split up too many competitive options but allowed clubs to sell more “top” teams to parents. It’s really frustrating to see things like this because there are plenty of players who could be really good but all the changes, poor coaches, and club management looking for the next $ has made a lot of players less interested or priced them out of the sport. I don't disagree with you on your points mostly. And I never said CF and TH 3rd teams were the same. TH is deeper than CF in general. I don't think SCCL will match up any more evenly than any other league. There will be outliers. At least with SCCL you aren't traveling to Florida to play CF and beating them 4-0 you are beating them here so it is taking expense away from the process. The problem with SRPL was that the travel was more than a lot of people wanted and the inefficiency of traveling out of state to play their neighbors annoyed people. Plus the level of that was dropping with more people having DA or ECNL nationally and regionally. I am a little confused on your NPL and SCCL split up comment. Locally NPL was an augment league that UFA, AFC and SSA played in prior to this year. Now it has expanded and is the only league for UFA and SSA teams that play in it. NL what the Piedmont Conference is part of and the former SRPL. SCCL is the new league. Are you suggesting that the teams in NPL should be playing in SCCL or vice versa?? First I just wanted to say thank you for the pleasant dialogue and open discussion. Yes, I’m saying if everything SCCL was said to be, we should be grouping our better club teams together, not splitting them into 2 different leagues. I’d much rather play another UFA team and SSA’s top team as opposed to their 2nd team, than 2 really bad Alabama clubs and a terrible team from Carolina. UFA and SSA got to pick where some of their teams got to go, causing a shift of their previously athena c teams up to SCCL simply because they were a “founding club”. This year we travelled to Alabama twice and SC once. Toss in a Charlotte tournament and WAGS, and travel really isn’t that much different. It’s has been substantially more organized than SRPL and Athena ever was. Oracle is spot on with parents wanting their kids on a top team and that causing so much of the issue with clubs trying to accommodate. Adding ECNL B teams was a complete money grab and way for parents to claim ECNL while the team is terrible compared to the competition but those players could have bettered either SCCL or NPL teams. There is a good group of high level players across clubs, but there’s not 2 DA and 5 ECNL teams worth of national level players, that’s all $. |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Oct 28, 2018 19:29:51 GMT -5
I keep hearing that the parents are demanding more leagues. Is this true or are all the leagues being created and marketed by the supply side? I only have my own experience to go by but I have never heard of parents talking about wanting more league options;just wanting leagues being better run. Most parents hardly understand the quality and hierarchy and even names of the different leagues. All they know is that they have to pay lots of money and travel really far past teams that they should be playing. “Can we go back to where there are 2 or 3 traveling teams and everyone else plays Athena A B C ” Agree with you totally! |
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Post by girlcoach on Oct 30, 2018 12:15:33 GMT -5
There are too many leagues. If you took all the teams out of SCCL, NL and NPL and add in the very top teams from Athena A, this is what you would have for 03G:
Tophat
UFA Premier
UFA Norcross
SSA Chelsea
AFC Lightning
InterAtlanta
Concorde Fire
CFC Redstar
Lanier
GSA
Impact
Savannah
RYSA
OK there is a 50/50 chance you would have to travel to Savannah or to Columbus, but that would be a very competitive league and I doubt that the top team would be beating the bottom team by a hatful of goals. You would also have a competitive state cup. Are you sure that what you have now is better for your players and parents and is it worth all the extra cost and travel?
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