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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 19, 2019 21:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 20, 2019 0:00:29 GMT -5
No. They are just reimagining (to steal a Disney phrase) how they do the NTC.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 20, 2019 0:57:27 GMT -5
While i get that it's a training camp, the point of the article is that it's trying to better identify talent that is missing out on (in the current system).
"Expand and improve the...player pool"
"discover and introduce a larger base of top talents"
"identify a higher number of talented players"
I really expect more of the same for the national YNT/MNT and eventually WNT.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 20, 2019 8:27:09 GMT -5
Unless they are scouting all players, nothing will change and will remain a good ole boys club. NTCs were the right direction, but ended up becoming more of a show to "say hey we are scouting". You have to pound the pavement and have feet on the ground. One of the scouts who ran a NTC a few years ago had a completely different perception of talent than everyone else a few years ago. This is honestly good in most cases, but in this circumstance, it was shocking how players were being rated.
Will be interesting also, because I know many many many players who have not gotten an invite to an NTC, yet are really high quality players. The new setup will make it even harder for those players to be identified.
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Post by atv on Jan 20, 2019 14:10:50 GMT -5
Looks like this is already underway in California. A lot is still unclear. Probably a step in the right direction... depends on network of scouts and specific DA coaches in each region.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 20, 2019 14:27:50 GMT -5
I think this is better than what they had before. More kids will now have a fair shot at being seen in the Nat'l Team pipeline to the final 20. This also gives you a clear pathway to the Nat'l Team at U14. The proof is in the details and how they implement it. I believe this is another step in getting ready for the migration of MLS out of DA. I think the lazy scouts who just go to MLS DA games will now have to do a little more than that to scout. What I find interesting in looking at the map, is why Georgia is listed as being in the Central instead of the East, especially since current DA teams at this age group play in the South Atlantic? So on paper boys from Georgia would play in the Central Mini-Camp?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 31, 2019 9:15:45 GMT -5
Unless they are scouting all players, nothing will change and will remain a good ole boys club. NTCs were the right direction, but ended up becoming more of a show to "say hey we are scouting". You have to pound the pavement and have feet on the ground. One of the scouts who ran a NTC a few years ago had a completely different perception of talent than everyone else a few years ago. This is honestly good in most cases, but in this circumstance, it was shocking how players were being rated. Will be interesting also, because I know many many many players who have not gotten an invite to an NTC, yet are really high quality players. The new setup will make it even harder for those players to be identified. Agree/Disagree, hopefully this gives a little more insight into USSF's mindset Lepore on scouting for the U14 BNT and players moving into the DA.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 31, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -5
Funny enough, on the map below, Georgia along with Florida is located in the Central Region. Next National Team Training Camp for the Central Region in going to be held in Frisco, Texas at the Toyota Soccer Park aka FC Dallas, from March 14-18, 2019
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Post by trumpetflower on Jan 31, 2019 13:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Feb 1, 2019 6:38:44 GMT -5
Sounds great. Unfortunate though for those who lack the means, as usual. But it’s a big country and any effort is welcome.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 1, 2019 10:47:30 GMT -5
With the statement: "...the majority of your YNT will always coming from DA because these are the top academies in the top markets" The questions they need to ask themselves is: "Are we missing out on more top players in small markets than we used to?" "Are we missing out on more top players who cannot afford DA academies than we used to?" "Are we missing out on more top players who live too far from DA academies than we used to?" "If this is our model, should we primarily only scout MLS academies if the goal is to make talent discovery easy?" My guess would be yes to all (from a USSF perspective). It would seem like these regional camps would be a STEP in the right direction, but IMO it needs to start more localized (state level with promotion to regional). Prior to 2010, what was the mechanism for discovery of players for MNT? ODP? Should the USSF run ODP? Would they just screw it up? If anything, it seems like they should have built upon the model that sent the US to 7 consecutive world cups. Another article for your thoughts (no mention of DA): www.sbnation.com/2019/1/29/18199509/usmnt-roster-pool-demographics-latinx-foreign-born-players
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 13, 2019 13:35:10 GMT -5
Just got word that the invites have been sent out for the US YNT U-14 boys TIP for the Central Location Mini-Camp, occurring next month March 14-18 in Dallas(Frisco), TX...
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Post by trumpetflower on Feb 13, 2019 13:40:53 GMT -5
Just got word that the invites have been sent out for the US YNT U-14 boys TIP for the Central Location Mini-Camp, occurring next month March 14-18 in Dallas(Frisco), TX... Fla and Ga go to Central?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 13, 2019 13:51:40 GMT -5
Yes and No. Also got confirmation that Georgia is considered part of the Eastern Location and once the Central Mini-Camp is completed, the invites for the Eastern Mini-Camp will go out and it will occur in New Jersey...FG
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Post by 2316 on Feb 13, 2019 13:57:39 GMT -5
How are the players assessed and selected for the mini-camp? Are they selected based on they perform in the YNT ID center like the one that is scheduled here in February 2019?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 13, 2019 14:42:58 GMT -5
It starts with your Coach n DOC. They are supposed to advocate for the good players to US Soccer and/or Scouts. From there and based on their history(good recommendations) and primarily if you are playing in the DA System, they are supposed to scout you at games etc. From there you are put into three groups - Ignore/Interested/Extra 👀(I made those up). If they are interested, they will watch your play over time. That sometimes leads to an NTC/YNT-ID session like the one this Sunday. So say you are a stud locally, they then want to see how good you are against your piers in other regions. They sometimes work with your club/coach and ask to see you in specific games against specific opponents at the DA Showcase in the fall. So for some teams, you will see a player or two play in all games, while others will be sat for a game or two. From there, they now have a good idea of if you move on or not. Let me be the first to say, this does not preclude some politicking and favoritism by coaches, DOCs, scouts or US Soccer. Plus you don't have to necessarily play for a DA team/club. Bottom line, if your kid is legitimately good, he will find his way up to the YNT. If he's borderline with one of their favorites, you have a 50-50 chance...FG
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 19, 2019 14:07:07 GMT -5
Yes and No. Also got confirmation that Georgia is considered part of the Eastern Location and once the Central Mini-Camp is completed, the invites for the Eastern Mini-Camp will go out and it will occur in New Jersey...FG CORRECTION: I miss-read a text sent to me regarding Georgia being in the East versus the Central location. Apparently, the numbers on the east coast warrant moving Florida & Georgia into the Central location. With the NTC completed this weekend, emails have now been sent out to the Georgia players chosen to represent the Central location.
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Post by 2316 on Feb 19, 2019 14:20:47 GMT -5
Do we know how many players locally were selected and from which clubs?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 19, 2019 14:26:25 GMT -5
Yes and No. Also got confirmation that Georgia is considered part of the Eastern Location and once the Central Mini-Camp is completed, the invites for the Eastern Mini-Camp will go out and it will occur in New Jersey...FG CORRECTION: I miss-read a text sent to me regarding Georgia being in the East versus the Central location. Apparently, the numbers on the east coast warrant moving Florida & Georgia into the Central location. With the NTC completed this weekend, emails have now been sent out to the Georgia players chosen to represent the Central location. As always - FG is all knowing ...... So --- for kids from AU, does AU cover the expense of going to the event? would be nice if other clubs picked up the tab if other players were selected also.....
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 19, 2019 15:35:57 GMT -5
Here is the direct quote from a copy of the email I was made privy too:
[Please note, air travel (if flight is required), transportation, logging, and meals during camp dates will all be provided and covered by U.S. Soccer.]
p.s. Parents are on their own...FG
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Post by soccergurl on Feb 25, 2019 14:23:49 GMT -5
Do we know how many players locally were selected and from which clubs? Any further information on this?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 25, 2019 18:10:07 GMT -5
Yes there is, 9 local boys will be going to Frisco Tx from the 14th to the 18th of March. They are currently doing paperwork, physicals, lessons in social media etc. The breakdown is as follows:
- 1 Goalie - 2 Defenders - 3 Midfielders - 3 Forwards/Wingers
For a grand total of 9...
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 25, 2019 22:23:25 GMT -5
Clubs? Hopefully not ALL from AU? Either way, congratulations to the boys!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 26, 2019 6:21:35 GMT -5
Sadly they are ALL from Atlanta United. I say sadly because I believe there are other lads in the area who should have gotten a shot. However, it proves what we've always suspected, if you want to stand a chance at making it on to the Nat'l scene, you had better beg, borrow and steal your way on to the local MLS-DA team or the lazy scouts will not give you the time or day. From what I am gathering, it could easily have been 10 but one is injured and will not be healed in time for the camp...😰
But not to take away from the boys chosen, Congratulations to them and I wish them luck as they represent us in Dallas/Frisco Tx.... FG
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 26, 2019 7:05:25 GMT -5
Would have been somewhat embarrassing for them if they weren’t all AU players I suppose. I hope the kids that turned AU down did not get screwed in retribution.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 26, 2019 9:38:33 GMT -5
Yes - I get it, AU's 05s are destroying teams - thats what they should be doing -- But that doesn't mean there aren't quality players on other teams. I know of at least 1 or 2 for sure, and I'm not as familiar with the age group as others. This is more a testament to our flawed soccer system than anything else - at this age, not sure how much of it really matters anyway, the next 2 years, these boys will grow like weeds, and it's an entirely different game. The average size kids become the bigger kids, and the bigger kids are no longer huge compared to others.
Didn't think it would be this hard though to get non AU kids to the regional center (if that is what it is called). But if NTC's continue to be AU vs everyone else, this trend will continue forever......
Huge congrats to the boys invited though, the journey is just beginning.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 6, 2019 18:22:01 GMT -5
Finally go the full break down of all the lads going to Frisco next week:
The breakdown by club, numbers and positions are below...
1 - Armada 2 - Chargers 2 - IMG Academy 2 - Kendall 4 - Weston 9 - Atlanta United
2 GKs 5 Defenders 6 Forwards 7 Mid-fielders
Couple of interesting notes - FC Dallas equaled AU with 9 and one of the Mid-fielders chosen from Weston is a 2007. I have seen him play, he's worthy of being invited. A little on the smaller side obviously, but believe you me, he's the spark and field general for Weston in the middle(box 2 box)... FG
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Post by soccernotfootball on Mar 7, 2019 9:42:08 GMT -5
Not surprised AU has 9 invited. I am surprised that not one UFA or CF player would get a look.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2019 10:25:47 GMT -5
I'll be the a**ho*!
I know many of the AU kids, great kids, and many are great players.
That doesn't mean that there aren't other quality kids outside of the AU "system". I don't buy it for a second. I don't put much stock into youth national teams, however, once you get on the radar, you stay on their radar and its extremely different for other kids to crack in. I've seen kids invited for 3 years and now at u17, you would question if they should be playing DA.
I thought the entire point of this new system was to be more inclusive, I dont' see this as being more inclusive.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 7, 2019 11:21:48 GMT -5
It seems like the whole process is to make things "easy" on the USSF scouts. Problem is that 13-18 are years of huge growth and change. A 4'4" 12 year old may grow into a 5'8" 15 year old with sub-4.4 speed (and technical abilities to boot). Every age at every year should be a "back to the drawing board, lets find the best players again". IMO there should be state camps which lead to regional camps which lead to national camps every year.
As much crap as is given the college football system, by the time they are 21, you KNOW who the best football players in the country are. They are re-evaluated every year of high school and college.
Maybe they should put Nick Saban in charge of the YNT program. He would separate the wheat from the chaff every year. (And Im not an Alabama fan).
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