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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 26, 2019 10:12:32 GMT -5
I'm the first to admit, I'm too negative.
Lets be positive in this thread only positive --
What did/do you like about u12 DA?
1) It forced a club to establish and focus on a larger player pool 24-26 players vs 9-12.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 26, 2019 10:48:42 GMT -5
2) It allowed additional clubs to attract players as some only have the lower age classes of DA on the boys side
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 26, 2019 11:53:52 GMT -5
3)Opportunity to jump-start the development initiatives mandated by US Soccer, that make sense, such as:
- Advancing Youth Players individual skills and intelligence;
- Opportunity to move away from results oriented philosophy to focus on “development”
- Improving the coaching environment thru enhanced educational opportunities and collaboration;
- The goal of training that aligns with the physiological needs of the players based on their young ages;
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Post by soccernotfootball on Feb 26, 2019 12:44:14 GMT -5
3)Opportunity to jump-start the development initiatives mandated by US Soccer, that make sense, such as: - Advancing Youth Players individual skills and intelligence; - Opportunity to move away from results oriented philosophy to focus on “development”
- Improving the coaching environment thru enhanced educational opportunities and collaboration; - The goal of training that aligns with the physiological needs of the players based on their young ages; In theory, yes... but we know not all clubs share that philosophy. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 26, 2019 12:56:26 GMT -5
4) Very competitive local games with entire schedule for the year done in July, no rainouts (only lightning cancels games), only a few out of town showcases and against teams from other areas.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 26, 2019 13:34:17 GMT -5
3)Opportunity to jump-start the development initiatives mandated by US Soccer, that make sense, such as: - Advancing Youth Players individual skills and intelligence; - Opportunity to move away from results oriented philosophy to focus on “development”
- Improving the coaching environment thru enhanced educational opportunities and collaboration; - The goal of training that aligns with the physiological needs of the players based on their young ages; In theory, yes... but we know not all clubs share that philosophy. Hey Soccerhouse said to be positive, so that's my positive spin on things 🤪🤪 |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 28, 2019 11:10:10 GMT -5
man, we only got to 4? I guess FG actually had 5 items in her post. I added the 5th below.
1) It forced a club to establish and focus on a larger player pool 24-26 players vs 9-12.
2) It allowed additional clubs to attract players as some only have the lower age classes of DA on the boys side
3)Opportunity to jump-start the development initiatives mandated by US Soccer, that make sense, such as:
- Advancing Youth Players individual skills and intelligence;
- Opportunity to move away from results oriented philosophy to focus on “development”
- Improving the coaching environment thru enhanced educational opportunities and collaboration;
- The goal of training that aligns with the physiological needs of the players based on their young ages;
4) Very competitive local games with entire schedule for the year done in July, no rainouts (only lightning cancels games), only a few out of town showcases and against teams from other areas.
5) Stopped the chase to 11v11 for the clubs involved in u12-DA and created the standard to be 9v9
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Post by soccernotfootball on Feb 28, 2019 11:19:47 GMT -5
man, we only got to 4? I guess FG actually had 5 items in her post. I added the 5th below. 1) It forced a club to establish and focus on a larger player pool 24-26 players vs 9-12. 2) It allowed additional clubs to attract players as some only have the lower age classes of DA on the boys side 3)Opportunity to jump-start the development initiatives mandated by US Soccer, that make sense, such as: - Advancing Youth Players individual skills and intelligence; - Opportunity to move away from results oriented philosophy to focus on “development” - Improving the coaching environment thru enhanced educational opportunities and collaboration; - The goal of training that aligns with the physiological needs of the players based on their young ages; 4) Very competitive local games with entire schedule for the year done in July, no rainouts (only lightning cancels games), only a few out of town showcases and against teams from other areas. 5) Stopped the chase to 11v11 for the clubs involved in u12-DA and created the standard to be 9v9IMO we still go to 11v11 too early. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 28, 2019 12:16:52 GMT -5
In the spring the DA U12s scrimmage 11x11 as often as possible - on off weekends and sometimes during the week - usually against their club’s own U13 DA, U13 ECNL, U14 ECNL, and older age group girls DA & ECNL teams.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 28, 2019 13:58:34 GMT -5
IMO we still go to 11v11 too early.
I think they go to the big field too early. Many U12/U13/U14 have a tough time switching the field/crosses/corners on the big field. But the half-size field gets too small for larger players at 9v9. Maybe they should reduce the # of players on the field as the players get bigger/stronger? 8v8? Or 9v9/10v10 on a 3/4-size field?
Faster and stronger players should maybe be forced to bio-band up? Once a player on the 9v9 can score from behind mid-line it changes the game. Or a player who get from the center to the sideline in 3 seconds. Those kinds of players kill the 9v9 for everyone else who is still developing/slower on the curve.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 28, 2019 14:17:05 GMT -5
True. The problem with the small fields at U12 DA is that by the spring everyone can score from midfield, and keepers can easily boom it to the other box and are not playing anything like how they will have to play on a large field. Large field scrimmages help them with the transition for U13 while the field players still get a lot close quarters action through the spring in 9x9 small field games. I have not seen a single player at U13 not able to handle 11x11 on the large field at the DA level (this post was focusing on DA, and boys DA specifically since the question is regarding U12).
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 28, 2019 14:40:25 GMT -5
Maybe a better way to put this is that through the development process, players should be playing plenty of 3v3 and 5v5/6v6 as well as 9v9 and eventually 11v11. This would make for well-rounded players.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 28, 2019 14:59:17 GMT -5
I totally agree. By U13 they have had the opportunity to play 8 years (16 seasons) of soccer along the path you mention (beyond kiddie kickers). The top players are ready for large field 11x11 at U13. The next step is preparing them to be ready to play 70, 80, then 90 minutes without substitution with the same intensity in the final 5 minutes as in the first 5 minutes. Of course they ALL won’t be called on to do that each game and maybe only very rarely, but they will all have to train to be ready to play full games with no drop off.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 28, 2019 15:10:22 GMT -5
They have to do it to learn it. You can see the development on the large field 11x11 throughout the year in U13 & U14 DA. To wait until U15 would be ludicrous.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 28, 2019 16:27:42 GMT -5
I think it is the parents who are the problem. The clubs do it because if they don't then the parents would leave. Case in point, a child on my daughter's U9 team was playing up to U10 for a recent tourney. The U10 team was playing 9v9. The father of the U9 girl said he liked 9v9 better for his daughter because "she got to use her speed more." His daughter is fast and strong (coming in to tackles) and powerful (as a shooter, she even scored from midfield on the 9v9 field). She is U9 though and needs the development of 7v7. Even though they have other kids that play he doesn't realize that she needs the 7v7 to develop the OTHER parts of her game (first touch, accurate passing, close control dribbling) he only wants her to play in a system that uses her current advantages! This is where we, as a US culture, fail. This is not an isolated issue. I have seen it time and time again.
That being said I agree that strong players at U12 can score from midfield and change a game or punt and get it to the other goalie. The fact that we can do this and that we think that it means they are too big for that field just goes to show that we think we need to change the field, rather than discourage that type of play. We need to tell the goalie not to punt and play out of the back with their feet or throw it. We needs to discourage regular shots from midfield (can't tell a kid not to shoot if it is open and they can score).
Some of the things that have made my kids more technical are 3v3 tourneys and futsal. The clubs ought to encourage the 3v3 play in the season. Maybe every couple of weeks that should be the regular academy game. Their games don't matter anyways so let's play and make it part of the curriculum.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 28, 2019 18:15:54 GMT -5
Again, this is about boys U12 DA and I think one of the good things about it is 9x9. By the end of spring it’s also not a bad thing to have a few 11x11 large field learning scrimmages because they are physically able to do it at that point and they will have 16 seasons of soccer under their belt. By U13 DA both my kids had:
2 years 3x3;
2 years 5x5;
2 years 7x7;
2 years 9x9;
Plus 3x3 tournaments & futsal.
Then,
2 years 11x11 with massive substitution;
And finally U15 & up 11x11 with less and less substitution.
I don’t think that’s a disastrous plan.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 28, 2019 18:50:41 GMT -5
Positives people. Positives.
😎
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 28, 2019 19:31:06 GMT -5
Positives people. Positives. 😎 I think the discussion about the 9v9 is "positives." I feel that U12 should be 9v9. I admit I did not think so at the end of the year of 9v9, but now I understand better why. The other POSITIVE about 9v9 is more touches per player. Also the play is never far away so they are more alert. However, since it (U12 DA) is going away I am just curious why you brought it up. |
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Post by Brinker on Jun 1, 2019 16:28:55 GMT -5
Positives people. Positives. 😎 It allowed certain programs to build very strong teams for U13 and older. NASA and CF DA U12, for example, allowed several 2007 kids play the last 2 seasons at DA U12 which built them up a strong and veteran team for next year. |
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Post by messindreams on Jun 2, 2019 8:01:19 GMT -5
man, we only got to 4? I guess FG actually had 5 items in her post. I added the 5th below. 1) It forced a club to establish and focus on a larger player pool 24-26 players vs 9-12. 2) It allowed additional clubs to attract players as some only have the lower age classes of DA on the boys side 3)Opportunity to jump-start the development initiatives mandated by US Soccer, that make sense, such as: - Advancing Youth Players individual skills and intelligence; - Opportunity to move away from results oriented philosophy to focus on “development” - Improving the coaching environment thru enhanced educational opportunities and collaboration; - The goal of training that aligns with the physiological needs of the players based on their young ages; 4) Very competitive local games with entire schedule for the year done in July, no rainouts (only lightning cancels games), only a few out of town showcases and against teams from other areas. 5) Stopped the chase to 11v11 for the clubs involved in u12-DA and created the standard to be 9v96) 4 days a week training that provides a taste of what it takes to be good at a very young age. This provides opportunity for parents as well to understand what it takes to support their little Messi. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 2, 2019 9:23:23 GMT -5
6a - 4 nights scheduled a week so in case you miss a night due to weather or other circumstances - no biggy, you have 3 other nights of scheduled training. For example we always had Monday’s canceled if we played games sat/sunday
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