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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 20, 2019 9:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 20, 2019 9:27:00 GMT -5
That story is so insane! It really is nuts.
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Post by rocko1989 on Mar 20, 2019 9:41:01 GMT -5
Holy Cow. When this is all said and done, I wonder how many folks are going to lose jobs.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 20, 2019 10:34:03 GMT -5
Most, if not all of us can attest to the hard work, hours of practice, hours of travel, lost weekends going to games to play or support our kids. Let's not delve into the costs. So with all that in mind, to have someone literally take the limited number of spots away from a much more deserving player is just beyond anything I can fathom. I hope loads of folks get fired and blackballed from working in Academia. I further hope the prosecutors also find ways to charge them with something. Even if they don't pay for it with jail-time, being a convicted criminal for life would be a good start...FG
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 20, 2019 10:44:34 GMT -5
What these parents did is reprehensible and demonstrates one of the greatest problems with our generation as parents--doing too much for our children. However, with that being said, these kids were not taking away someone's spot on the athletic team. They were walk ons who were admitted to the school through athletic standards instead of academic standards. Most did not even attempt to participate as an athlete. Once they were admitted as an athlete, they would "quit" the athletic team. UCLA had a rule that the athlete had to "participate" in the sport for one season.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Mar 20, 2019 11:02:03 GMT -5
What these parents did is reprehensible and demonstrates one of the greatest problems with our generation as parents--doing too much for our children. However, with that being said, these kids were not taking away someone's spot on the athletic team. They were walk ons who were admitted to the school through athletic standards instead of academic standards. Most did not even attempt to participate as an athlete. Once they were admitted as an athlete, they would "quit" the athletic team. UCLA had a rule that the athlete had to "participate" in the sport for one season. May not have taken a spot on an athletic team but they did take someone's spot in enrollment that would've otherwise qualified. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 20, 2019 11:02:05 GMT -5
Actress Lori Laughlin paid 500k to get her daughter into USC, imagine if she was a present parent and paid for a tutor to help her kid, she could have got in on her own and probably a lot cheaper....with less jail time
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 20, 2019 11:07:56 GMT -5
I was an Asst Girls Varsity Coach at a private school here in Atlanta who shall remain nameless, we were told to "find a spot" for a girl because he parents donated 50k+ to the schools capital campaign, the girl didn't even play soccer.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 20, 2019 11:31:27 GMT -5
Surely there is a way to bypass the admissions standards for big $ boosters that doesn't involve athletics? One would expect this is common loophole.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 20, 2019 11:35:49 GMT -5
What they typically do is once the student gets in they typically quit the athletic team that same season.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 20, 2019 12:13:07 GMT -5
The stranger part to me is the idea that a recruited (but not signed) athlete (really former athlete) can get in with lower admissions standards. I don't know the rules for soccer but for college football you can't even walk on to a team for a year if you were recruited but not signed by a school. I could see lowered admissions standards for players who intend to walk on, but that isn't even allowed.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 20, 2019 13:24:58 GMT -5
I really do hope in this particular instance that this girl will be expelled from the school. They cannot use the excuse that "she didn't know"
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 20, 2019 13:34:07 GMT -5
It seems UCLA coach Amanda Cromwell is escaping punishment as its said she didn't know. I find that disingenuous as a coach at a top college like that is unaware of who her recruits are, the girl didn't just magically appear on the team. Especially a team stacked with US and Canadian National Team players.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 20, 2019 13:40:29 GMT -5
It seems UCLA coach Amanda Cromwell is escaping punishment as its said she didn't know. I find that disingenuous as a coach at a top college like that is unaware of who her recruits are, the girl didn't just magically appear on the team. Especially a team stacked with US and Canadian National Team players. I don't believe for a second that she didn't know. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Mar 20, 2019 14:19:14 GMT -5
It seems UCLA coach Amanda Cromwell is escaping punishment as its said she didn't know. I find that disingenuous as a coach at a top college like that is unaware of who her recruits are, the girl didn't just magically appear on the team. Especially a team stacked with US and Canadian National Team players. I don't believe for a second that she didn't know. She probably knew and was told to shut up or else. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 20, 2019 14:24:03 GMT -5
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Post by Strikermom on Mar 20, 2019 14:41:33 GMT -5
As a school counselor, truly appalled. So you have so little confidence in your child's academic ability, that this is helping??? I just know these kids have to be mortified, except for Lori Loughlin's kids who are bragging about not going to school anyway and just partying at USC. With all that money, they could have done tutoring, SAT prep, anything.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 20, 2019 15:07:08 GMT -5
The stranger part to me is the idea that a recruited (but not signed) athlete (really former athlete) can get in with lower admissions standards. I don't know the rules for soccer but for college football you can't even walk on to a team for a year if you were recruited but not signed by a school. I could see lowered admissions standards for players who intend to walk on, but that isn't even allowed. Seriously, you can't tell me you are unaware that in college sports, the standards are lower for Prime Athletes? Usually, it's a quid-quo-pro deal. We get you in and you help us get on the National Landscape. The schools in big conferences, with good academic reputations, that usually don't lower their standards are the ones that are usually at the bottom of the conference(think Vanderbilt, Wake Forest & Georgia Tech in football). I'm not saying that all athletes are not as smart or that if you're prime athlete your not as intellectually capable. But if the head coach says they need player X, admissions and the Athletic Dept. find a way to accommodate that "student" athlete. Sometimes, it involves them being put in remedial classes to catch-up. But as is usually the case, the workload, coupled with their athletic requirements causes them to fall behind quickly and viola a tutor helps them catch-up and sometimes go ahead. That usually ends up in some scandal like that at UNC for fake classes and tutors actually do the work of the athletes...FG - www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/21008004/north-carolina-tar-heels-avoid-major-sanctions-academic-fraud-case |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 20, 2019 15:22:07 GMT -5
Sure, lowered standards for an athlete you SIGN, but not ones you recruit but don't sign...it makes no sense. Why would a school lower its standards for a kid that in no way benefits the school.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 20, 2019 18:15:57 GMT -5
Sure, lowered standards for an athlete you SIGN, but not ones you recruit but don't sign...it makes no sense. Why would a school lower its standards for a kid that in no way benefits the school. Possibly they were admitted before signing day? For many sports signing day is/was in February. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 20, 2019 20:00:38 GMT -5
The stranger part to me is the idea that a recruited (but not signed) athlete (really former athlete) can get in with lower admissions standards. I don't know the rules for soccer but for college football you can't even walk on to a team for a year if you were recruited but not signed by a school. I could see lowered admissions standards for players who intend to walk on, but that isn't even allowed. Seriously, you can't tell me you are unaware that in college sports, the standards are lower for Prime Athletes? Usually, it's a quid-quo-pro deal. We get you in and you help us get on the National Landscape. The schools in big conferences, with good academic reputations, that usually don't lower their standards are the ones that are usually at the bottom of the conference(think Vanderbilt, Wake Forest & Georgia Tech in football). I'm not saying that all athletes are not as smart or that if you're prime athlete your not as intellectually capable. But if the head coach says they need player X, admissions and the Athletic Dept. find a way to accommodate that "student" athlete. Sometimes, it involves them being put in remedial classes to catch-up. But as is usually the case, the workload, coupled with their athletic requirements causes them to fall behind quickly and viola a tutor helps them catch-up and sometimes go ahead. That usually ends up in some scandal like that at UNC for fake classes and tutors actually do the work of the athletes...FG - www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/21008004/north-carolina-tar-heels-avoid-major-sanctions-academic-fraud-caseYou mean like GA Tech basketball taking recruits to strip clubs because they cant get the elite athletes? Schools like Standford, Vanderbilt, GA Tech etc, will never win a Men's Basketball or football championship because they cant get the blue chip prospects as most cant meet the academic requirements to get in and rightly so. |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 21, 2019 11:28:30 GMT -5
Seriously, you can't tell me you are unaware that in college sports, the standards are lower for Prime Athletes? Usually, it's a quid-quo-pro deal. We get you in and you help us get on the National Landscape. The schools in big conferences, with good academic reputations, that usually don't lower their standards are the ones that are usually at the bottom of the conference(think Vanderbilt, Wake Forest & Georgia Tech in football). I'm not saying that all athletes are not as smart or that if you're prime athlete your not as intellectually capable. But if the head coach says they need player X, admissions and the Athletic Dept. find a way to accommodate that "student" athlete. Sometimes, it involves them being put in remedial classes to catch-up. But as is usually the case, the workload, coupled with their athletic requirements causes them to fall behind quickly and viola a tutor helps them catch-up and sometimes go ahead. That usually ends up in some scandal like that at UNC for fake classes and tutors actually do the work of the athletes...FG - www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/21008004/north-carolina-tar-heels-avoid-major-sanctions-academic-fraud-caseYou mean like GA Tech basketball taking recruits to strip clubs because they cant get the elite athletes? Schools like Standford, Vanderbilt, GA Tech etc, will never win a Men's Basketball or football championship because they cant get the blue chip prospects as most cant meet the academic requirements to get in and rightly so. While it is true that GA Tech will never win a championship, it is not because the academic requirements are too high. GA Tech, just like UGA and almost all power 5 schools, regularly admits athletes that fall well below the academic standards of the student body. GA Tech admitted one football player with a 590 SAT score. No, not an English score of 590 or a Math score of 590, a total score of 590. investigations.myajc.com/football-admissions/ |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 21, 2019 11:30:56 GMT -5
Don't know how that kid is gonna succeed in college...
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 21, 2019 11:35:48 GMT -5
The stranger part to me is the idea that a recruited (but not signed) athlete (really former athlete) can get in with lower admissions standards. I don't know the rules for soccer but for college football you can't even walk on to a team for a year if you were recruited but not signed by a school. I could see lowered admissions standards for players who intend to walk on, but that isn't even allowed. THat is not exactly accurate. Kids walk on to teams all of the time who were recruited by the school. The situation that you are talking about is for blueshirts, which has very special rules. Blueshirts cannot take an official visit or receive an in home visit from a school. However, blueshirts are definitely recruited by the schools and coaches. Elite programs take preferred walk ons on a yearly basis. These are kids that are offered scholarships to play at smaller schools but decide to go the big time program as a walk on. In Georgia, these players are typically receiving the hope scholarship to help offset expenses. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 21, 2019 14:37:02 GMT -5
What these parents did is reprehensible and demonstrates one of the greatest problems with our generation as parents--doing too much for our children. However, with that being said, these kids were not taking away someone's spot on the athletic team. They were walk ons who were admitted to the school through athletic standards instead of academic standards. Most did not even attempt to participate as an athlete. Once they were admitted as an athlete, they would "quit" the athletic team. UCLA had a rule that the athlete had to "participate" in the sport for one season. I've got some news to break to you... this isn't exactly a new issue. Previously they just paid for a building. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 21, 2019 15:29:23 GMT -5
The stranger part to me is the idea that a recruited (but not signed) athlete (really former athlete) can get in with lower admissions standards. I don't know the rules for soccer but for college football you can't even walk on to a team for a year if you were recruited but not signed by a school. I could see lowered admissions standards for players who intend to walk on, but that isn't even allowed. THat is not exactly accurate. Kids walk on to teams all of the time who were recruited by the school. The situation that you are talking about is for blueshirts, which has very special rules. Blueshirts cannot take an official visit or receive an in home visit from a school. However, blueshirts are definitely recruited by the schools and coaches. Elite programs take preferred walk ons on a yearly basis. These are kids that are offered scholarships to play at smaller schools but decide to go the big time program as a walk on. In Georgia, these players are typically receiving the hope scholarship to help offset expenses. Right, the invited walk-ons. But they cannot be recruited like other players. In some of the cases mentioned in this scandal, these students were not invited walk-ons, the coach simply says "yeah I recruited them" and viola, lower admissions standards. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 21, 2019 19:56:25 GMT -5
What these parents did is reprehensible and demonstrates one of the greatest problems with our generation as parents--doing too much for our children. However, with that being said, these kids were not taking away someone's spot on the athletic team. They were walk ons who were admitted to the school through athletic standards instead of academic standards. Most did not even attempt to participate as an athlete. Once they were admitted as an athlete, they would "quit" the athletic team. UCLA had a rule that the athlete had to "participate" in the sport for one season. I've got some news to break to you... this isn't exactly a new issue. Previously they just paid for a building. Or a professorship, like a client of mine did for his two boys at Duke. Helps to be a partner at Goldman Sachs. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 4, 2023 15:48:01 GMT -5
College Bribery Scandal
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