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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 29, 2019 7:54:50 GMT -5
Of the top nba players not named Durant or Lebron -- would these guys ever made in the soccer world given the US obsession with you have to be great at 15 to 18 years of age. - I'm not arguing that they could have been soccer players, just about the process.
using rivals ranking for each recruiting class
Stephan Curry - Not ranked
Russell Westbrook - Not ranked
Kawhi Leonard - 48th best player in class, 8th at his position
Paul George - Not ranked
James Harden -11th best player in class, unranked at position
Kyrie Irving - 4th best player in class, 2nd at position
Anthony Davis - 2nd best player in class, 1st at position
chris Paul - 14th best player in class, 3rd at his position
If you leave out Durant and Lebron (freaks) -- that is 50% of the remaining group basically were still not highly touted high school players at ~18 years old.
If you want to include Durant and Lebron, than that # is 40%.
I'm sure i've missed some top level US talent, but you get the point -- Curry, Westbrook, Leonard, George would have struggled to rise the ranks in US Soccer. Its often not just about talent its reputation and who believes in you.
Look at pictures of these guys from when they were 18 to now, its insane the difference.
Or am I just a freaking nut and the NBA and the greatest basketball players on the planet are different than soccer players.
Fyi - I read the other day, Clay Thompson and curry won't leave the gym until they have hit 100 3s..........(I left Clay off above, 51st in his class, 6th at his position....)
What would be the equivalent soccer exercise - not leaving the pitch, until you hit 50 free kicks in the side net?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 28, 2020 8:41:39 GMT -5
add to the list, surprised I left him off
Jimmy "Buckets" Butler
Not heavily recruited out of high school, pretty much unranked out of high school.
Went to Juco, then Marquette, and is now an 5x NBA allstar and in the nba finals against the lakers.
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Post by sportsgeeks on Sept 29, 2020 1:09:32 GMT -5
Yes...they were there in the soccer world as these players were very much talented in both basketball and soccer sports. These players have amazing skills in both the sports as such they were the fastest football players in the world. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 29, 2020 8:34:11 GMT -5
Yes...they were there in the soccer world as these players were very much talented in both basketball and soccer sports. These players have amazing skills in both the sports as such they were the fastest football players in the world.uh... wut?
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Sept 29, 2020 8:49:38 GMT -5
Yes...they were there in the soccer world as these players were very much talented in both basketball and soccer sports. These players have amazing skills in both the sports as such they were the fastest football players in the world.I think you missed the point of his post entirely. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 29, 2020 9:55:51 GMT -5
Yes...they were there in the soccer world as these players were very much talented in both basketball and soccer sports. These players have amazing skills in both the sports as such they were the fastest football players in the world.I think you missed the point of his post entirely. *pssst*.. that's not a person |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Sept 29, 2020 10:11:45 GMT -5
I think you missed the point of his post entirely. *pssst*.. that's not a person ok |
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Post by bogan on Sept 29, 2020 10:19:46 GMT -5
Yes...they were there in the soccer world as these players were very much talented in both basketball and soccer sports. These players have amazing skills in both the sports as such they were the fastest football players in the world.I agree talented much players all sports be good. |
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Post by datrain on Sept 29, 2020 13:31:00 GMT -5
What Leonard, George and Westbrook all have in common is that they still were going through their growth spurt heading into their senior years in high school. Westbrook, IIRC, was 5'8" heading into his HS senior year. Leonard was 6'5" going into his HS senior year and George was 6'7". Westbrook is now 6'3", Leonard is 6'7" and George is 6'8".
Anthony Davis was a 6'4" guard at the end of his sophomore year....he did not start truly growing until his junior year of high school
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 29, 2020 14:52:58 GMT -5
What Leonard, George and Westbrook all have in common is that they still were going through their growth spurt heading into their senior years in high school. Westbrook, IIRC, was 5'8" heading into his HS senior year. Leonard was 6'5" going into his HS senior year and George was 6'7". Westbrook is now 6'3", Leonard is 6'7" and George is 6'8". Anthony Davis was a 6'4" guard at the end of his sophomore year....he did not start truly growing until his junior year of high school It's nuts -- I know I obsess over it, but its crazy. Kawhi is a top 10 bball player on the planet right now. do we all agree on that. at 18, rivals had him as the #8 and scout (24sports) had him as the 12th ranked small forward. This basically means from a soccer persecptive, if lets say he was a left back or left middy, he's not anyone radar as a top player at that position. And to be fair, at 18 he probably wasn't. This is the crazy part, has anyone ever heard of any of the players ranked above him at his position? 247sports.com/Season/2009-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=SFn.rivals.com/position_rankings/basketball/2009/SFJordan Hamilton was the #1 small forward by both services, I've never even heard of him. The westbrooks's and George's are more fascinating. Guys who land at good schools and become flat our ballers. |
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Post by datrain on Sept 29, 2020 15:16:13 GMT -5
I've heard of all of them....then again I used to be a part-time scout. Hamilton, White and Hill were are 1st round draft picks. Tyler Honeycutt was a 2nd rounder. A lot of guys (like Leonard) are late bloomers biologically. David Robinson is a great example....grew 5 inches his senior year of HS. I fight the system with my son all of the time.....he is 5'6".... projected to ultimately be 5'11" to 6'2".....but like me he will likely get his growth later than most (I grew 7 inches my senior year).
I sense that many European clubs are more in tune with this. They care more about the talent than whether the player in question is biologically advanced
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Post by bogan on Sept 29, 2020 16:30:30 GMT -5
I've heard of all of them....then again I used to be a part-time scout. Hamilton, White and Hill were are 1st round draft picks. Tyler Honeycutt was a 2nd rounder. A lot of guys (like Leonard) are late bloomers biologically. David Robinson is a great example....grew 5 inches his senior year of HS. I fight the system with my son all of the time.....he is 5'6".... projected to ultimately be 5'11" to 6'2".....but like me he will likely get his growth later than most (I grew 7 inches my senior year). I sense that many European clubs are more in tune with this. They care more about the talent than whether the player in question is biologically advanced The Europeans in general are better but not perfect-Gareth Bale was almost cut because he was “too small, not quick enough” when he was U-15. He was about 5’7” at the time (6”1’ now). |
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 29, 2020 16:47:15 GMT -5
What Leonard, George and Westbrook all have in common is that they still were going through their growth spurt heading into their senior years in high school. Westbrook, IIRC, was 5'8" heading into his HS senior year. Leonard was 6'5" going into his HS senior year and George was 6'7". Westbrook is now 6'3", Leonard is 6'7" and George is 6'8". Anthony Davis was a 6'4" guard at the end of his sophomore year....he did not start truly growing until his junior year of high school It's nuts -- I know I obsess over it, but its crazy. Kawhi is a top 10 bball player on the planet right now. do we all agree on that. at 18, rivals had him as the #8 and scout (24sports) had him as the 12th ranked small forward. This basically means from a soccer persecptive, if lets say he was a left back or left middy, he's not anyone radar as a top player at that position. And to be fair, at 18 he probably wasn't. This is the crazy part, has anyone ever heard of any of the players ranked above him at his position? 247sports.com/Season/2009-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=SFn.rivals.com/position_rankings/basketball/2009/SFJordan Hamilton was the #1 small forward by both services, I've never even heard of him. The westbrooks's and George's are more fascinating. Guys who land at good schools and become flat our ballers. Why would a top 20 national player not be on anyone's radar? If he was ranked #8 .. what am I missing? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 5, 2020 12:33:12 GMT -5
add to the list, surprised I left him off Jimmy "Buckets" Butler Not heavily recruited out of high school, pretty much unranked out of high school. Went to Juco, then Marquette, and is now an 5x NBA allstar and in the nba finals against the lakers. add to it his triple double last night. only 2 players before him in the history of the league had a 40 point triple double in the finals. LeBron James and Jerry West. He's 1 of 3 players in the history of the NBA to do this. from Buzz Williams his coach at Marquette: "He was ranked 73rd in the state of Texas coming out of high school," says Virginia Tech head coach Buzz Williams, who coached Butler at Marquette. "Not in the country, in the state. No. 72 went to the Citadel. No. 74 went to a Division II school. He was an afterthought in every possible way. He didn't go to play at a junior college because a Division I program sent him there to prepare him. He went because he didn't have any other options. Yea, they will lose the next 2 games and probably lose the series, but hats off to Jimmy Buckets and a system that players can thrive in. Now the nba and we all know the college game ain't perfect.... issues left and right. I'm sure there are still ton's of kids that don't make it, the school yard legends are always out there. Many like soccer can't confirm to the concept of team basketball. I'm just stubborn and think we have great soccer players in this country. many right now who are not the top 20 players in the country, but in time, given another 3-4 years and placed in good situations could be, yet many are not. I don't the last u23 mens team had a single college player for example, I could be wrong. I get it, some kids right now are light years past their peers, but I also think many kids could come out of know where to become great talents at 23 etc. I get it, the college soccer game as issues, too many games in the fall, with short turn arounds, sub rules, style of play etc. But I find it hard to believe a country this size with XX amount of div 1 to div 3 schools don't have studs competing at those levels. |
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Post by randomparent on Oct 5, 2020 13:39:00 GMT -5
Of the top nba players not named Durant or Lebron -- would these guys ever made in the soccer world given the US obsession with you have to be great at 15 to 18 years of age. - I'm not arguing that they could have been soccer players, just about the process. using rivals ranking for each recruiting class Stephan Curry - Not ranked Russell Westbrook - Not ranked Kawhi Leonard - 48th best player in class, 8th at his position Paul George - Not ranked James Harden -11th best player in class, unranked at position Kyrie Irving - 4th best player in class, 2nd at position Anthony Davis - 2nd best player in class, 1st at position chris Paul - 14th best player in class, 3rd at his position If you leave out Durant and Lebron (freaks) -- that is 50% of the remaining group basically were still not highly touted high school players at ~18 years old. If you want to include Durant and Lebron, than that # is 40%. I'm sure i've missed some top level US talent, but you get the point -- Curry, Westbrook, Leonard, George would have struggled to rise the ranks in US Soccer. Its often not just about talent its reputation and who believes in you. Look at pictures of these guys from when they were 18 to now, its insane the difference. Or am I just a freaking nut and the NBA and the greatest basketball players on the planet are different than soccer players. Fyi - I read the other day, Clay Thompson and curry won't leave the gym until they have hit 100 3s..........(I left Clay off above, 51st in his class, 6th at his position....) What would be the equivalent soccer exercise - not leaving the pitch, until you hit 50 free kicks in the side net? I thought it was a lot more important how good your kid is when they are 8-9 years of age. |
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Post by bogan on Oct 5, 2020 13:40:53 GMT -5
Of the top nba players not named Durant or Lebron -- would these guys ever made in the soccer world given the US obsession with you have to be great at 15 to 18 years of age. - I'm not arguing that they could have been soccer players, just about the process. using rivals ranking for each recruiting class Stephan Curry - Not ranked Russell Westbrook - Not ranked Kawhi Leonard - 48th best player in class, 8th at his position Paul George - Not ranked James Harden -11th best player in class, unranked at position Kyrie Irving - 4th best player in class, 2nd at position Anthony Davis - 2nd best player in class, 1st at position chris Paul - 14th best player in class, 3rd at his position If you leave out Durant and Lebron (freaks) -- that is 50% of the remaining group basically were still not highly touted high school players at ~18 years old. If you want to include Durant and Lebron, than that # is 40%. I'm sure i've missed some top level US talent, but you get the point -- Curry, Westbrook, Leonard, George would have struggled to rise the ranks in US Soccer. Its often not just about talent its reputation and who believes in you. Look at pictures of these guys from when they were 18 to now, its insane the difference. Or am I just a freaking nut and the NBA and the greatest basketball players on the planet are different than soccer players. Fyi - I read the other day, Clay Thompson and curry won't leave the gym until they have hit 100 3s..........(I left Clay off above, 51st in his class, 6th at his position....) What would be the equivalent soccer exercise - not leaving the pitch, until you hit 50 free kicks in the side net? I thought it was a lot more important how good your kid is when they are 8-9 years of age. Only in soccer. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 25, 2022 11:15:59 GMT -5
I've heard of all of them....then again I used to be a part-time scout. Hamilton, White and Hill were are 1st round draft picks. Tyler Honeycutt was a 2nd rounder. A lot of guys (like Leonard) are late bloomers biologically. David Robinson is a great example....grew 5 inches his senior year of HS. I fight the system with my son all of the time.....he is 5'6".... projected to ultimately be 5'11" to 6'2".....but like me he will likely get his growth later than most (I grew 7 inches my senior year). I sense that many European clubs are more in tune with this. They care more about the talent than whether the player in question is biologically advanced The Europeans in general are better but not perfect-Gareth Bale was almost cut because he was “too small, not quick enough” when he was U-15. He was about 5’7” at the time (6”1’ now). |
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Post by bogan on Jun 25, 2022 11:22:03 GMT -5
The Europeans in general are better but not perfect-Gareth Bale was almost cut because he was “too small, not quick enough” when he was U-15. He was about 5’7” at the time (6”1’ now). Question is…will he play soccer or golf 🤣. |
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Post by Keeper on Jun 25, 2022 16:40:34 GMT -5
Question is…will he play soccer or golf 🤣. Isn’t the MLS like a golf game? Slow, boring, not very athletic or skilled and has to many long balls. |
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Post by bogan on Jun 25, 2022 16:46:12 GMT -5
@keeper…very little midfield play, that’s for sure.
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Post by rifle on Jun 25, 2022 18:49:23 GMT -5
I suspect he will lease a house at Riviera CC.
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