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Post by atlfutboldad on May 6, 2019 22:58:35 GMT -5
This sounds like we have an even bigger mess on our hands. 2 new alphabet leagues in one year. Hopefully we can add 3 more for 2020-2021.
We can't get all the top girls in the state onto the top 6-10 teams in the state. So we're just going to fracture and water things down further. It's just evidence (to me) that the USSF DA approach to gathering top players into relatively few clubs is misguided.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 6, 2019 23:51:18 GMT -5
This sounds like we have an even bigger mess on our hands. 2 new alphabet leagues in one year. Hopefully we can add 3 more for 2020-2021. We can't get all the top girls in the state onto the top 6-10 teams in the state. So we're just going to fracture and water things down further. It's just evidence (to me) that the USSF DA approach to gathering top players into relatively few clubs is misguided. DA2 is not USSF DA, its USYS
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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2019 5:59:08 GMT -5
This sounds like we have an even bigger mess on our hands. 2 new alphabet leagues in one year. Hopefully we can add 3 more for 2020-2021. We can't get all the top girls in the state onto the top 6-10 teams in the state. So we're just going to fracture and water things down further. It's just evidence (to me) that the USSF DA approach to gathering top players into relatively few clubs is misguided. DA is not USSF DA, its USYS My chart is dated, but it reads that DA is under the USSF (U.S. Soccer) org/league chart as a standalone, distinct from Youth Soccer (USYS and U.S. Club Soccer).
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Post by atv on May 7, 2019 6:08:08 GMT -5
This sounds like we have an even bigger mess on our hands. 2 new alphabet leagues in one year. Hopefully we can add 3 more for 2020-2021. We can't get all the top girls in the state onto the top 6-10 teams in the state. So we're just going to fracture and water things down further. It's just evidence (to me) that the USSF DA approach to gathering top players into relatively few clubs is misguided. DA is not USSF DA, its USYS What?
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Post by SoccerMom on May 7, 2019 6:09:43 GMT -5
Sorry my phone ate the #2
It should read
DA2 is not USSF but USYS
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Post by barcab on May 7, 2019 6:31:15 GMT -5
Yep! You guys are right. It’s official. Apparently there was a parent meeting last night for some of the teams. Tophat with no ECNL- playing DPL. Those teams are all out west so I have no idea how that’s going to work. Maybe a parent that was at the meeting can clarify? it looks like it would be more competitive than a SCCL but wow! That’s a lot of travel!
UFA was approached by ECNL . But ECNL wanted their top team to be the ECNL team and not DA. That’s why that didn’t work out.
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Post by girlsoccer on May 7, 2019 6:54:20 GMT -5
Yep! You guys are right. It’s official. Apparently there was a parent meeting last night for some of the teams. Tophat with no ECNL- playing DPL. Those teams are all out west so I have no idea how that’s going to work. Maybe a parent that was at the meeting can clarify? it looks like it would be more competitive than a SCCL but wow! That’s a lot of travel! UFA was approached by ECNL . But ECNL wanted their top team to be the ECNL team and not DA. That’s why that didn’t work out. There are new divisions being added for DPL. NTH will be part of a league with other southeastern teams (dc, Maryland, Virginia, FL, etc). Still a lot of travel but not as much as going out west every other week.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 7, 2019 9:54:15 GMT -5
Yep! You guys are right. It’s official. Apparently there was a parent meeting last night for some of the teams. Tophat with no ECNL- playing DPL. Those teams are all out west so I have no idea how that’s going to work. Maybe a parent that was at the meeting can clarify? it looks like it would be more competitive than a SCCL but wow! That’s a lot of travel! UFA was approached by ECNL . But ECNL wanted their top team to be the ECNL team and not DA. That’s why that didn’t work out. There are new divisions being added for DPL. NTH will be part of a league with other southeastern teams (dc, Maryland, Virginia, FL, etc). Still a lot of travel but not as much as going out west every other week. That is still a lot of travel. Most of which would be by plane unless you just love driving more than 8 hours in a car. I commend Tophat for trying to find something for these kids, but I am not sure this was so necessary. Just two years ago the second team at Tophat was not ECNL and was playing RPL. While SCCL isn't so competitive right now I don't think that they needed to make this big of a step. Anyone "in the know" know if Tophat tried to get into NPL? Or what about just having the second team play Piedmont Conference and if they were good enough do the National League portion of that (the part where they actually play people from other Conferences outside of Georgia,NC and SC)? I am sure they could have found a way to make that happen...
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 7, 2019 10:31:06 GMT -5
There needs to be a travel $ estimate presented at every club for every club at tryouts...
The fact its not USSF makes it less "prestigious". Maybe some of the NTH SCCL parents who weren't happy with the lack of competitiveness will be happy to foot the bill for this?
Really, its a problem of their own making, by stockpiling the talent year after year you can't expect to be competitive with clubs you're also pulling players from.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 7, 2019 14:55:17 GMT -5
There are new divisions being added for DPL. NTH will be part of a league with other southeastern teams (dc, Maryland, Virginia, FL, etc). Still a lot of travel but not as much as going out west every other week. That is still a lot of travel. Most of which would be by plane unless you just love driving more than 8 hours in a car. I commend Tophat for trying to find something for these kids, but I am not sure this was so necessary. Just two years ago the second team at Tophat was not ECNL and was playing RPL. While SCCL isn't so competitive right now I don't think that they needed to make this big of a step. Anyone "in the know" know if Tophat tried to get into NPL? Or what about just having the second team play Piedmont Conference and if they were good enough do the National League portion of that (the part where they actually play people from other Conferences outside of Georgia,NC and SC)? I am sure they could have found a way to make that happen... I think the NPL is the right place for a Tophat second team. They could try to get placed into the National League but that did not work out well for them (Rpl) the last time. They and the other big 5 clubs that were in were at the bottom of the table. Who wants to travel all over the Southeast and lose every weekend? Imo, losing every weekend will break up a team faster than anything. The second team is stuck somewhere between SCCL and NL. To me this means NPL.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 7, 2019 15:04:53 GMT -5
That is still a lot of travel. Most of which would be by plane unless you just love driving more than 8 hours in a car. I commend Tophat for trying to find something for these kids, but I am not sure this was so necessary. Just two years ago the second team at Tophat was not ECNL and was playing RPL. While SCCL isn't so competitive right now I don't think that they needed to make this big of a step. Anyone "in the know" know if Tophat tried to get into NPL? Or what about just having the second team play Piedmont Conference and if they were good enough do the National League portion of that (the part where they actually play people from other Conferences outside of Georgia,NC and SC)? I am sure they could have found a way to make that happen... I think the NPL is the right place for a Tophat second team. They could try to get placed into the National League but that did not work out well for them (Rpl) the last time. They and the other big 5 clubs that were in were at the bottom of the table. Who wants to travel all over the Southeast and lose every weekend? Imo, losing every weekend will break up a team faster than anything. The second team is stuck somewhere between SCCL and NL. To me this means NPL. Ultimatedad you are funny. Tophat's second team was middle of the pack of ECNL with almost all new players on each team. Team didn't have much time to GEL but still preformed well. The SCCL teams that were former RPL came in first in every division but 2, and one of those teams lost due to goal differential. So again I enjoy your comedy because you make me laugh
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 7, 2019 15:18:51 GMT -5
I think the NPL is the right place for a Tophat second team. They could try to get placed into the National League but that did not work out well for them (Rpl) the last time. They and the other big 5 clubs that were in were at the bottom of the table. Who wants to travel all over the Southeast and lose every weekend? Imo, losing every weekend will break up a team faster than anything. The second team is stuck somewhere between SCCL and NL. To me this means NPL. Ultimatedad you are funny. Tophat's second team was middle of the pack of ECNL with almost all new players on each team. Team didn't have much time to GEL but still preformed well. The SCCL teams that were former RPL came in first in every division but 2, and one of those teams lost due to goal differential. So again I enjoy your comedy because you make me laugh Tophat spring u13 RPL Girls , which is now the current u14 ecnl, was an absolute dumpster fire. They finished 9th out of 10 teams with a record of 2 wins and 7 losses. Just stating the facts, the record doesn’t lie.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 7, 2019 15:47:54 GMT -5
Ultimatedad you are funny. Tophat's second team was middle of the pack of ECNL with almost all new players on each team. Team didn't have much time to GEL but still preformed well. The SCCL teams that were former RPL came in first in every division but 2, and one of those teams lost due to goal differential. So again I enjoy your comedy because you make me laugh Tophat spring u13 RPL Girls , which is now the current u14 ecnl, was an absolute dumpster fire. They finished 9th out of 10 teams with a record of 2 wins and 7 losses. Just stating the facts, the record doesn’t lie. While they did perform poorly in RPL last year they have several new girls this year including some that were ECNL last year. They also had their leading scorer playing with the top team (U13 ECNL) in the spring. When that girl went back to them for state cup they performed much better. So that U14 ECNL team is not the exact same team that played U13 Spring RPL. I can think of 4 girls that are on that team this year that weren't last year and I am not even at that club! Someone on that team might give you even better info.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 8, 2019 2:34:09 GMT -5
I think the NPL is the right place for a Tophat second team. They could try to get placed into the National League but that did not work out well for them (Rpl) the last time. They and the other big 5 clubs that were in were at the bottom of the table. Who wants to travel all over the Southeast and lose every weekend? Imo, losing every weekend will break up a team faster than anything. The second team is stuck somewhere between SCCL and NL. To me this means NPL. Ultimatedad you are funny. Tophat's second team was middle of the pack of ECNL with almost all new players on each team. Team didn't have much time to GEL but still preformed well. The SCCL teams that were former RPL came in first in every division but 2, and one of those teams lost due to goal differential. So again I enjoy your comedy because you make me laugh [br Goal keeper Dad I love people that are easily ammused! Yes you are right that Tophat was in the middle of the pack in ECNL. The year before they were in ECNL they were in RPL and finished at or near the bottom. This is why tge National League might be a bit much for them. NpL is a little less copetitive than the NL but stronger than the SCCL. That is why it would be a good fit for the second teams.
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Post by infoguy on May 8, 2019 6:30:34 GMT -5
Ultimatedad you are funny. Tophat's second team was middle of the pack of ECNL with almost all new players on each team. Team didn't have much time to GEL but still preformed well. The SCCL teams that were former RPL came in first in every division but 2, and one of those teams lost due to goal differential. So again I enjoy your comedy because you make me laugh [br Goal keeper Dad I love people that are easily ammused! Yes you are right that Tophat was in the middle of the pack in ECNL. The year before they were in ECNL they were in RPL and finished at or near the bottom. This is why tge National League might be a bit much for them. NpL is a little less copetitive than the NL but stronger than the SCCL. That is why it would be a good fit for the second teams. It varies by gender/age, but I'm not sure how you can say that NL is more competitive than NPL, when the major clubs vacated USYS (left RPL) to establish SCCL and NPL with U.S. Club Soccer. For some clubs, like SSA, their top teams formerly in RPL are NPL--on both the boys and girls side. Some of the new NL teams are only there because of the openings created by the major clubs leaving.
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 8, 2019 6:33:38 GMT -5
[br Goal keeper Dad I love people that are easily ammused! Yes you are right that Tophat was in the middle of the pack in ECNL. The year before they were in ECNL they were in RPL and finished at or near the bottom. This is why tge National League might be a bit much for them. NpL is a little less copetitive than the NL but stronger than the SCCL. That is why it would be a good fit for the second teams. It varies by gender/age, but I'm not sure how you can say that NL is more competitive than NPL, when the major clubs vacated USYS (left RPL) to establish SCCL and NPL with U.S. Club Soccer. For some clubs, like SSA, their top teams formerly in RPL are NPL--on both the boys and girls side. Some of the new NL teams are only there because of the openings created by the major clubs leaving. WELL SAID and WELL DONE 👍
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Post by ultimatedad on May 8, 2019 6:48:07 GMT -5
The clubs left because most of their teams could not qualify for SRPL and those that did get in were hammered by the NC teams. Most SCCL teams came from Athena league not RPL. Rpl was not a good place for the big 5 second teams.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 8, 2019 6:48:48 GMT -5
I know ut is sad, but true.
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 8, 2019 6:56:17 GMT -5
The clubs left because most of their teams could not qualify for SRPL and those that did get in were hammered by the NC teams. Most SCCL teams came from Athena league not RPL. Rpl was not a good place for the big 5 second teams. The clubs left because of 1) $$$ 2) Control 3) Offer Parents/Players a wider range of opportunity in DA/ECNL/NPL/SCCL wherever the player can land. Far more than USYS could ever offer.
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Post by xroads on May 8, 2019 6:56:40 GMT -5
What about Boys ECNL? They have added two teams to the southeast region for a total of 14. 7 in FL and 7 split between GA, AL and TN. I was hoping for a split because of travel commitments to deep FL like Miami.
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Post by soccerheaven on May 8, 2019 7:52:51 GMT -5
UltimateDad really cracks me up. Has he ever posted a positive statement? EVER! Now that my kids have played in both SRPL and SCCL I can definitely appreciate the BIG 5 and starting up SCCL. During the last year of SRPL multiple games were cancelled. Some stating weather when we were already on site with dry fields some stating lack of Refs. That one really got to me. We have not had these issues with SCCL. I do believe the issues I experienced are the same issues that prompted the Big 5 to start SCCL. As a parent of 2 soccer players I appreciate the less travel that SCCL offers. Most competition is good some lopsided games, but even DA/ECNL/All ABC leagues have some lopsided games.All in All its been a good year for SCCL from my perspective.
Anyone else have any thoughts on the first year of SCCL?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 8, 2019 7:53:14 GMT -5
The clubs left because most of their teams could not qualify for SRPL and those that did get in were hammered by the NC teams. Most SCCL teams came from Athena league not RPL. Rpl was not a good place for the big 5 second teams. We always, always, always, collectively land back on the never ending discussion about which league is better, worse, the same or on the same level as League XYZ. Honestly, who cares. If it makes you feel better to believe that the league you are in is better, hurrah for you. However, it never, ever, ever, ever moves the needle. Many factors go into where we ultimately choose to have our kids ply their love of the beautiful game. It's a matter of choice, coaching, size, needs, value, location, exposure and sadly the honest truth about the skill set Suzy Q has. I highly doubt it will happen, but can we all agree to refrain from hijacking subject matter posts and delving into this never ending spiral of who is better. Let's just be happy that in metro Atlanta, the range of clubs and leagues available, allow kids with skills ranging from National Team prodigy to the weekend YMCA slapper, the opportunity for us as parents to cheer them on to victory... #GameSnacks 🎉🎉
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Post by soccerg4 on May 8, 2019 8:32:38 GMT -5
Amen!
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Post by soccerg4 on May 8, 2019 8:34:32 GMT -5
The clubs left because most of their teams could not qualify for SRPL and those that did get in were hammered by the NC teams. Most SCCL teams came from Athena league not RPL. Rpl was not a good place for the big 5 second teams. We always, always, always, collectively land back on the never ending discussion about which league is better, worse, the same or on the same level as League XYZ. Honestly, who cares. If it makes you feel better to believe that the league you are in is better, hurrah for you. However, it never, ever, ever, ever moves the needle. Many factors go into where we ultimately choose to have our kids ply their love of the beautiful game. It's a matter of choice, coaching, size, needs, value, location, exposure and sadly the honest truth about the skill set Suzy Q has. I highly doubt it will happen, but can we all agree to refrain from hijacking subject matter posts and delving into this never ending spiral of who is better. Let's just be happy that in metro Atlanta, the range of clubs and leagues available, allow kids with skills ranging from National Team prodigy to the weekend YMCA slapper, the opportunity for us as parents to cheer them on to victory... #GameSnacks 🎉🎉 Amen!
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Post by surgesoccer on May 8, 2019 9:21:35 GMT -5
UltimateDad really cracks me up. Has he ever posted a positive statement? EVER! Now that my kids have played in both SRPL and SCCL I can definitely appreciate the BIG 5 and starting up SCCL. During the last year of SRPL multiple games were cancelled. Some stating weather when we were already on site with dry fields some stating lack of Refs. That one really got to me. We have not had these issues with SCCL. I do believe the issues I experienced are the same issues that prompted the Big 5 to start SCCL. As a parent of 2 soccer players I appreciate the less travel that SCCL offers. Most competition is good some lopsided games, but even DA/ECNL/All ABC leagues have some lopsided games.All in All its been a good year for SCCL from my perspective. Anyone else have any thoughts on the first year of SCCL? SCCL was positive from our experience. Like most leagues there were teams in the top, middle and bottom. The competitiveness has pick up in Spring some. Having been through Academy and Classic, I don't really see any disparity in the level of competition. Maybe some dilution as more leagues available but that's easily fixed for now by scheduling scrimmages against teams in other leagues and via tournaments.
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Post by OTPSoccer on May 10, 2019 12:22:06 GMT -5
I'm surprised that it's still unknown whether the ECNL Southeast conference will split into two divisions. In the Northeast, they have 14 teams at certain age groups. The Northeast doesn't break it into two divisions but if you look at their schedules, they basically treat it that way. Each team plays 6 other teams 4x over the course of the year (fall + spring). They don't play the other 7 teams. www.boysecnl.com/northeast-standings/I hope this is the direction that the ECNL Southeast conference is headed. With tryouts on the horizon and parents planning their soccer budgets, this is a huge consideration. A change to two two divisions would put ECNL travel on par with SCCL travel. If anyone has more info (or rumors), I'm all ears.
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Post by fridge on May 10, 2019 13:42:31 GMT -5
I finally reviewed the teams in this new development league for DA. The competition seems very questionable. Clubs like Weston shouldn't even be in DA or ECNL because they can't hang. How will they have any depth to be competitive in a second league? Also, Mt. Pleasant? Palm Beach Gardens? Average score will be 8/0. The teams in Cali and Texas will have more depth.
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 10, 2019 13:54:06 GMT -5
I finally reviewed the teams in this new development league for DA. The competition seems very questionable. Clubs like Weston shouldn't even be in DA or ECNL because they can't hang. How will they have any depth to be competitive in a second league? Also, Mt. Pleasant? Palm Beach Gardens? Average score will be 8/0. The teams in Cali and Texas will have more depth. What age groups/gender are you referring to? For Boys U15 DA Standings, Weston is in 1st. U16/17 In 7th and U18/19 5th place. Girls DA U15, U16/17 & U18/19 seem to be 6th and 7th place. I do agree that it would be hard for them to furnish a second team that will be competitive. www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/league/standings.php?leagueId=MTA1Ng%3D%3D
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Post by fridge on May 10, 2019 14:08:20 GMT -5
I finally reviewed the teams in this new development league for DA. The competition seems very questionable. Clubs like Weston shouldn't even be in DA or ECNL because they can't hang. How will they have any depth to be competitive in a second league? Also, Mt. Pleasant? Palm Beach Gardens? Average score will be 8/0. The teams in Cali and Texas will have more depth. What age groups/gender are you referring to? For Boys U15 DA Standings, Weston is in 1st. U16/17 In 7th and U18/19 5th place. Girls DA U15, U16/17 & U18/19 seem to be 6th and 7th place. I do agree that it would be hard for them to furnish a second team that will be competitive. www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/league/standings.php?leagueId=MTA1Ng%3D%3DThe 3 top age groups are all well under 500% and are 25 W and 45 L in aggregate. DA SE Division is a bit watered down and Weston is underwater. I suspect the talent drops dramatically from there---but maybe I'm wrong. It seems we still agree on the bottom line about subpar competition.
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Post by mistergrinch on May 10, 2019 14:23:01 GMT -5
I finally reviewed the teams in this new development league for DA. The competition seems very questionable. Clubs like Weston shouldn't even be in DA or ECNL because they can't hang. How will they have any depth to be competitive in a second league? Also, Mt. Pleasant? Palm Beach Gardens? Average score will be 8/0. The teams in Cali and Texas will have more depth. What age groups/gender are you referring to? For Boys U15 DA Standings, Weston is in 1st. U16/17 In 7th and U18/19 5th place. Girls DA U15, U16/17 & U18/19 seem to be 6th and 7th place. I do agree that it would be hard for them to furnish a second team that will be competitive. www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/league/standings.php?leagueId=MTA1Ng%3D%3DWeston's 2nd team has been playing NPL.. they're decent, but not terribly strong. The age groups I've seen would put them probably mid-table or lower in our division. Not really 'DA" quality
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