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Post by soccerdadinga on May 13, 2014 18:22:36 GMT -5
A while back, someone asked the question is it better to be on the bottom half of a top team or the top player on a bottom team. To that point, what suggestions do folks have for those thinking about tryouts for Select soccer?
Does your player's position matter?
Is it better to be on a team where the players have a good time but lose over those that do not like each other but win? What questions would you have asked before tryouts?
Does it make sense for your kid to risk making a top team at their club by attending fewer tryouts to attend more tryouts at a larger or "more prestigious club"?
How do you determine what's a good coach for your kid?
And perhaps the question that's on a lot of minds, how can you tell if all of the time and money in youth soccer will payoff? Is it a happy kid? Is it starting on their high school team? Is it playing in college, be it for the team or intramurals? And how do you determine which Club (or coach, or team) works best for your kid before you get there for tryouts?
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Post by rifle on May 13, 2014 19:02:34 GMT -5
I'm voting in support of a team where kid is friends with teammates and they compete as high as they can. Don't have to win every week, but have to care and respect the game and the teammates. And get better continuously.
Simple, right?
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Post by lovethegame on May 13, 2014 19:12:12 GMT -5
I really think it depends on the player and where they would like to take it. My child got better by playing on the top team. That meant she less time on the field than she would have if she had played on the next team. But, the time on the field developed her in a way playing a lower level wouldn't have. Plus, she practices with very good players that challenge her. Now, when it comes to high school, she isn't as challenged. Practices aren't that difficult, and the game is slower. She has found high school to be a bit of a disappointment. But, that's her. Others love high school soccer, and playing on that team can be the most important to them.
All in all, I think it really depends on your child, their age, their ability and where they'd like to take it. My child has verbally committed, and she knew from the time she was in middle school that she wanted to play in college. We knew that goal could change, but it hasn't, so we are happy that she is as prepared as she could possibly be. There is no right or wrong answer to your questions, but what is right for one child and one family isn't rig ht for the next. Where does you child want to take this, and is it reality (let's face it, few will make the National Team and few girls will have the opportunity to play college soccer at UNC)? Take some time to weigh the pros and cons of a club, a team, a level of play, etc. Also, remember that the right move at U13 may not be the move to make at U9.
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Post by lovethegame on May 13, 2014 19:16:01 GMT -5
One more thing, when it comes to positions, I think that more exposure to positions is better than being set on playing one position unless that position is keeper. Versatile players are valuable and a player never knows when they might be called on to fill in a hole.
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Post by spectator on May 13, 2014 19:32:33 GMT -5
I'll take the other side of what lovethegame said. My kid was that bubble player who faced the disappointment of not making the top team. She became one of the strongest on the lower level team, though and in the end learned more and got more from that year of experience than she would have on the bench of a higher level team. Her coach told her the game was the best teacher and he'd play her until she raised her hand to come out. I think she played all but 10 minutes in an entire season and had the opportunity to be a leader on that team - something that really can't be taught except by doing and rarely does a young player get that opportunity. Playing at a lower/slower level also helped her hone skills for a variety of positions - she played every one except goalie and I'd bet you had he needed her in there, the coach would have given her that chance too.
We were at a small club and unfortunately too many girls left the game, the club didn't draw any new talent so that little team disbanded. BUT she and some of her teammates went to other club's tryouts and what they learned helped them all make a higher level team. They've made new friends, done very well and are a very tight group. And she's at an age where this is all her choice - for the next several years, I'm just the vehicle to get her where she needs to be - she's putting in the work.
One other thing - look at the size and depth of the club you are at or are considering. The talent differential at our smaller club was vast - we were crippled by our subs and it was painfully obvious that some kids were there for the social aspect not to learn and grow as a player. On her current team, it doesn't matter who subs in - they're all about equal. in fact almost every girl on her current team has scored a goal at some point in the season and many are interchangeable at any position. The depth has gotten them far and bonded them together well. No one feels like the 'star' or the last one picked.
But in the end, you know your kid - what he or she will respond to and work with. If at tryouts you hear a certain coach barking at kids and your child is sensitive to that, don't play there. If your kid has close friends at one club or another and has the opportunity to play with them, let him or her make that choice.
Also opposite of lovethegame, my kid has announced she probably DOESN'T want to play in college because the career she's aspiring to will be hard academically. She knows there are soccer clubs on campuses and would probably love that instead but she's not aspiring to get a soccer scholarship and play for 4 years. (She's not in high school yet so we'll see what changes but again, it's her life - her decision - I'm just the spectator in that part of it now! (And now y'all know the origin of my user name LOL)
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Post by soccerdadinga on May 13, 2014 21:51:20 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone for the advice! I think we are at the exact type of Club spectator described: One where the second team folds (or is just really weak) because there's not enough talent or warm bodies after the 1st team. So now we're thrown into looking at clubs based on location, where your kid's other school teammates play, what teams and coaches we liked when our kids played them and reputation, just in case things don't work out. Right now, my kid's immediate goal is to start as a freshman on the high school team. And so I guess the larger question is if you are coming from the lower end of a top team at a smaller club, think GFC, Dacula or NSA (pre-UFA) and you are looking at the bigger clubs, AFU, GSA and CF, how would someone decide amongst them, if location isn't a big deal? And does the difference between Classic I/Athena A and Classic II-IV/Athena B-E matter that much in terms of talent, speed of play and that your teammates may be less serious? Or is playing on an Classic III/Athena C team after 8th grade mean that your kid will never become used to the speed of play needed to play high level soccer?
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Post by lovethegame on May 13, 2014 22:06:45 GMT -5
I will say that I do agree with Spectator. However, because there is a vast difference between the top team and the second team at our club, there really is no choice. My daughter plays ECNL, so I do believe the speed of the game has made her better even though she doesn't play a full game.Unfortunately, we'd have to drive some distance to find a team outside our club that would be anywhere near the competition she sees in ECNL. I guess we all come with our perspectives based on what is available to us without considering that someone else may a club in their area that offers more choice. Still another family may be willing to drive a significant distance to find a good fit while another family may not be able to do that.
In the end there is a whole lot to take into consideration. We know we've made the right choice up to this point, but we just haven't had the ability to drive a great distance to practice. So, that limited where we went.
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Post by spectator on May 13, 2014 22:15:55 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone for the advice! I think we are at the exact type of Club spectator described: One where the second team folds (or is just really weak) because there's not enough talent or warm bodies after the 1st team. So now we're thrown into looking at clubs based on location, where your kid's other school teammates play, what teams and coaches we liked when our kids played them and reputation, just in case things don't work out. Right now, my kid's immediate goal is to start as a freshman on the high school team. And so I guess the larger question is if you are coming from the lower end of a top team at a smaller club, think GFC, Dacula or NSA (pre-UFA) and you are looking at the bigger clubs, AFU, GSA and CF, how would someone decide amongst them, if location isn't a big deal? And does the difference between Classic I/Athena A and Classic II-IV/Athena B-E matter that much in terms of talent, speed of play and that your teammates may be less serious? Or is playing on an Classic III/Athena C team after 8th grade mean that your kid will never become used to the speed of play needed to play high level soccer? It depends on the school. Some high school teams take rec players . It depends on the coach and the tryouts
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Post by soccergator on May 14, 2014 7:59:20 GMT -5
if your kid likes soccer, the investment in money and time will payoff. your not paying/playing for a scholarship - its for an opportunity to be part of team, strive for something, excel, learn from your mistakes, enjoy your successes, pick up a fallen teammate, gain confidence in life, and for the competition. unfortunately, in the modern era, most competitive sports cost money. from hockey to baseball, playing sports 10 months of the year is expensive
your club won't hurt you for not being at all 3 tryouts, make up an excuse "little johnny has a mandatory band concert on wed night....."
the which team thing depends alot on boys vs girls. girls tend to treat soccer more of a social experience than boys. and alot depends on the age, if the team is winning playing ugly soccer at a young age, with a bunch of kids that don't like each other, the team will never stick together, they will get eaten up at older age groups.
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