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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 17, 2019 23:19:36 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread (sorry catching up as alot of interesting posts) but might need its own thread:
Ok... I am sorry if this has been covered but from a ton of research tonight, my understanding of the league totem pole is as follows:
1) DA
2) Ecnl/NPL (some might fight me on this but after some heavy review, US Club is definitely positioning NPL as the ECNL equivilant)
3) SCCL
4) USYSA NL
5) USYSA Piedmont/SCCL Premier
6) Classic/Athena
Any objections...??
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Post by footyfan on May 18, 2019 20:55:10 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread (sorry catching up as alot of interesting posts) but might need its own thread: Ok... I am sorry if this has been covered but from a ton of research tonight, my understanding of the league totem pole is as follows: 1) DA 2) Ecnl/NPL (some might fight me on this but after some heavy review, US Club is definitely positioning NPL as the ECNL equivilant) 3) SCCL 4) USYSA NL 5) USYSA Piedmont/SCCL Premier 6) Classic/Athena Any objections...?? ECNL and NPL are both US Club Soccer. Why would they battle thats a waste of resources. |
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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 18, 2019 20:58:19 GMT -5
I understand but it crosses over as to showcase and open playoffs so something must be in the works, just trying to get an idea what the ultimate plan is.
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Post by footyfan on May 18, 2019 21:07:30 GMT -5
I understand but it crosses over as to showcase and open playoffs so something must be in the works, just trying to get an idea what the ultimate plan is. they work together on the boys side to kill off non-uscs leagues. Not as much of an issue on the girls side. |
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Post by ultimatedad on May 18, 2019 21:55:13 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread (sorry catching up as alot of interesting posts) but might need its own thread: Ok... I am sorry if this has been covered but from a ton of research tonight, my understanding of the league totem pole is as follows: 1) DA 2) Ecnl/NPL (some might fight me on this but after some heavy review, US Club is definitely positioning NPL as the ECNL equivilant) 3) SCCL 4) USYSA NL 5) USYSA Piedmont/SCCL Premier 6) Classic/Athena Any objections...?? |
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Post by ultimatedad on May 18, 2019 22:02:00 GMT -5
You got it almost right. I would put NL above NPL. And SCCL is probably closer to Athena A/B. Of course you might get an occasional really good team in any league.
Relegation and promotion need to be introduced to the US club socxer leagues or they will continue to have lopsided games and a dont run the score up rule.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 18, 2019 22:21:55 GMT -5
It doesn’t matter if you think USCS is positioning ECNL & NPL as equivalent. You have to see how the clubs with both are positioning them, and that is 100% across the board that ECNL is the team above NPL. So fix that on your totem. Also, to rate this correctly, you do the hypothetical as to how clubs would set their team hierarchy if they offered all the leagues/levels presented. There are many good teams on smaller clubs in which NL is the highest level available, but would be 5th level on the larger clubs that offer ECNL, NPL, SCCL, SCCLp, and might be playing at an NPL level but not in that league. Of course, ECNL’s exclusivity push has limited clubs having both ECNL & DA (and their respective under-leagues), so the totem is more like a split-leader tree (three columns) - mostly on the girls side, the boys side is pretty clear.
So, Girls:
DA. ECNL
DPL. NPL. NL (National)
SCCL. SCCL. NL (Regional)
Athena. Athena. Athena
Format problems, but should be viewed as three columns.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 19, 2019 6:55:34 GMT -5
You forgot about Super Y. I would say super y is close to NPL.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 19, 2019 6:56:26 GMT -5
What is NL regional? Is that where the ECNL teams used to play?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 19, 2019 7:29:32 GMT -5
What is NL regional? Is that where the ECNL teams used to play? This question is why I always tried to clarify the NL as Piedmont Conference. The new set up is confusing to some because the old set up had different designations for both boys and girls with specific names to delineate the level (RPL, SRPL, NL). The new set up, especially for girls, lacks that clarity. So NL regional was intended to be Piedmont Conference, which is actually the old RPL. National league (National) is the actually top level of their pyramid where the best of the best play their National play over two weekends. This year Georgia Rush 04G and LSA 05G and UFA 02G were some that participated. I know your comment was intended to be sarcastic but in case some newbies did not know that I felt that clarification was in order |
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 19, 2019 7:32:21 GMT -5
You got it almost right. I would put NL above NPL. And SCCL is probably closer to Athena A/B. Of course you might get an occasional really good team in any league. Relegation and promotion need to be introduced to the US club socxer leagues or they will continue to have lopsided games and a dont run the score up rule.  You are always good for a laugh... thank you for bringing humor to all your posts! Oh, and I think NL (Regional) means NL - Conference, NL - Sunshine Conference, etc. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 19, 2019 8:05:30 GMT -5
DA ECNL=National League(National tier) NPL=Piedmont NL SCCL Athena A SCCL premier= Athena B Rest of Athena Rec Sorry not ranking DPL which is made up, 1 team in Georgia pseudo league |
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Post by soccer3 on May 19, 2019 8:11:36 GMT -5
I think Max nailed it.. fairly accurate. DA ECNL=National League(National tier) NPL=Piedmont NL SCCL=Athena A SCCL premier= Athena B Rest of Athena Rec Sorry not ranking DPL which is made up, 1 team in Georgia pseudo league |
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Post by footyfan on May 19, 2019 11:36:36 GMT -5
I think Max nailed it.. fairly accurate. DA ECNL=National League(National tier) NPL=Piedmont NL SCCL=Athena A SCCL premier= Athena B Rest of Athena Rec Sorry not ranking DPL which is made up, 1 team in Georgia pseudo league That DPL league is so spread out and only five teams. Wouldn't it be better just to have a 4 game tournament over a long weekend? Two of the five clubs don't even have DA or ECNL teams. Its just their top teams. Seems so odd. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 19, 2019 11:40:51 GMT -5
DA
ECNL=National League(National tier)
NPL=SCCL=Piedmont NL
Athena A=SCCL-P
Rest of Athena
Rec
There... much better.
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Post by footyfan on May 19, 2019 12:05:02 GMT -5
DA ECNL=National League(National tier) NPL=SCCL=Piedmont NL Athena A=SCCL-P Rest of Athena Rec There... much better. I think a previous poster said the teams with NPL and SCCL put the better kids on NPL, so thats why NPL > SCCL |
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Post by ultimatedad on May 19, 2019 13:12:51 GMT -5
You got it almost right. I would put NL above NPL. And SCCL is probably closer to Athena A/B. Of course you might get an occasional really good team in any league. Relegation and promotion need to be introduced to the US club socxer leagues or they will continue to have lopsided games and a dont run the score up rule. You are always good for a laugh... thank you for bringing humor to all your posts! Oh, and I think NL (Regional) means NL - Conference, NL - Sunshine Conference, etc. |
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Post by ultimatedad on May 19, 2019 13:13:14 GMT -5
What do you find so funny?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 19, 2019 15:19:02 GMT -5
What do you find so funny? Probably your single mindedness towards dissing everything that isn't "earn your place" US Youth. Having played against both Athena A teams and SCCL teams there is a sizable difference in most cases. Plus the SCCL-P teams at most clubs were already Athena A this year (or last year) or would be promoted to it based on results this season. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 19, 2019 15:20:23 GMT -5
What do you find so funny? Probably your single mindedness towards dissing everything that isn't "earn your place" US Youth. Having played against both Athena A teams and SCCL teams there is a sizable difference in most cases. Plus the SCCL-P teams at most clubs were already Athena A this year (or last year) or would be promoted to it based on results this season. |
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Post by ultimatedad on May 19, 2019 16:58:43 GMT -5
Oracle friend i was not asking you to join the silly guy club.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 19, 2019 17:27:10 GMT -5
Oracle friend i was not asking you to join the silly guy club. But you make it so easy.😉 |
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Post by bogan on Jul 31, 2020 15:27:15 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread (sorry catching up as alot of interesting posts) but might need its own thread: Ok... I am sorry if this has been covered but from a ton of research tonight, my understanding of the league totem pole is as follows: 1) DA 2) Ecnl/NPL (some might fight me on this but after some heavy review, US Club is definitely positioning NPL as the ECNL equivilant) 3) SCCL 4) USYSA NL 5) USYSA Piedmont/SCCL Premier 6) Classic/Athena Any objections...?? |
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Post by footyfan on Jul 31, 2020 19:39:31 GMT -5
1) ECNL
2) NPL
3) GAL(girls)
4) USYS NL
5) SCCL-C
6) USYS PIEDMONT
7) SCCL-P1/2
8) GA Soccer
9) SCCL-P3/n
*TBD boys U15+ MLS & USL
Likely 1)MLS, 2a) ECNL 2b) USL 3) NPL etc
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Post by bogan on Jul 31, 2020 19:52:22 GMT -5
I agree that ECNL is at the top...I do wonder if NPL and NL aren’t closer to parity, at least on the boys side (<U15). At/AfterU-15 it’s hard to say.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 31, 2020 20:38:17 GMT -5
1) ECNL 2) NPL 3) GAL(girls) 4) USYS NL 5) SCCL-C 6) USYS PIEDMONT 7) SCCL-P1/2 8) GA Soccer 9) SCCL-P3/n *TBD boys U15+ MLS & USL Likely 1)MLS, 2a) ECNL 2b) USL 3) NPL etc That is a trash ranking designed to rehash an old topic, so move on. But I will say npl as number 2 is a f*king joke |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 31, 2020 20:40:31 GMT -5
1) ECNL 2) NPL 3) GAL(girls) 4) USYS NL 5) SCCL-C 6) USYS PIEDMONT 7) SCCL-P1/2 8) GA Soccer 9) SCCL-P3/n *TBD boys U15+ MLS & USL Likely 1)MLS, 2a) ECNL 2b) USL 3) NPL etc On the girls side no way is NPL higher than GAL or frankly NL. We played NPL the last few years and there are some good clubs but overall that league is not better than GAL or NL. It is on par with Piedmont though it may be better this year as Piedmont continues to weaken. NPL weakens as well though. They keep losing clubs. Lost Charlotte Independence North and South to ECRL and Wake to GAL. Replacement teams Wake North, Vestavia, South Carolina Surf. Only one is a strong club. SCCL got better. Girls 1) ECNL 2) GAL 3) NL 4) SCCL/NPL/Piedmont probably depends on age group 5) SCCL-P 1 6) everyone else |
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Post by bogan on Jul 31, 2020 21:25:42 GMT -5
1) ECNL 2) NPL 3) GAL(girls) 4) USYS NL 5) SCCL-C 6) USYS PIEDMONT 7) SCCL-P1/2 8) GA Soccer 9) SCCL-P3/n *TBD boys U15+ MLS & USL Likely 1)MLS, 2a) ECNL 2b) USL 3) NPL etc That is a trash ranking designed to rehash an old topic, so move on. But I will say npl as number 2 is a f*king joke So how would you rank them? |
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Post by footyfan on Jul 31, 2020 21:44:03 GMT -5
That is a trash ranking designed to rehash an old topic, so move on. But I will say npl as number 2 is a f*king joke So how would you rank them? I took some liberties in merging boys and girls. It is not equal and shouldn't have been merged, but its all smack talk. ECRL put a big dent in NPL. SCCL keeps dinging GA Soccer Still think GAL is silly tho. If we were talking about value per $ I'd put it below Athena And I forgot CCL! I'd put that just ahead of SCCL. |
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Post by baller84 on Jul 31, 2020 22:20:44 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread (sorry catching up as alot of interesting posts) but might need its own thread: Ok... I am sorry if this has been covered but from a ton of research tonight, my understanding of the league totem pole is as follows: 1) DA 2) Ecnl/NPL (some might fight me on this but after some heavy review, US Club is definitely positioning NPL as the ECNL equivilant) 3) SCCL 4) USYSA NL 5) USYSA Piedmont/SCCL Premier 6) Classic/Athena Any objections...?? SCCL over USYS NL, really? ECNL (or should we say "Ecnl") and NPL on same boat, really? DA is no more. It's ECNL and everyone else follows. The order depends on whom you ask, whose kid plays where and who has more posters on the forum. Better yet, let them play each other. |
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